Trade Value: What would it take to get from 22 to 3?

[sjordan6]

Peterson right now is nowhere close to what Tony Dorsett was coming out of Pitt...

and if Jones wants Peterson, he wont have to move up to 3 to get him...he isnt going #1 or #2...Cleveland IMO will take wither Quinn, Thomas or Johnson...Tampa, Arizona and Washington are definitely not taking RB's where they are....Minny isnt picking a RB and Houston just spent 24mils on Ahman Green...they like Quinn and they have a terrible OL, so RB isnt a major need there...Miami isnt taking a RB and niether is Atlanta or SF...

Buffalo is the first likely team to draft a RB, therefore as long as you get up just in front of them or to them (by trading with them)...then you'd get Peterson if you really wanted...I really think he might get out of the top-10

David

Although each one of those teams you mentioned may not need a rb I dont see him getting past the top eight and there is no way houston doesnt draft him although they just signed 30 year old oft injured green. Minnesota is also not out of the question. This is a draft that really is based on alot of what if and who needs what. Peterson is worth two 1st round picks and some team will trade up to get him. Now maybe the Cowboys dont want to give up that for him but dont tell me he is not worth it!

 

[Tra_Col99]

I'd be up to moving up that far if it was for Gaines Adams.

 

[Verdict]

I realize I am in the minority, but I would willingly give up this year's first round pick, next year's first round pick, and Julius Jones for Adrian Peterson. I would probably throw in a fifth this year and a fifth next year as well, if necessary. (Maybe the points don't add up, depending on Jones' worth, but the chart is a GUIDE not concrete.)

I think Adrian Peterson might be as productive in the pros as L. Tomlinson. The Cowboys have spent a hell of a lot to bolster this line, especially to block the run. Davis should be a road grader at guard. It makes sense that that if Dallas wanted to move up and get a stud RB that it would make sure he is going to have a great line to run behind. It also makes sense for the team to have a GREAT running back to take the pressure off of Romo.

Lets think about this in more detail. Dallas pick this year is at 22. I highly doubt we will pick that high next year. It is highly likely Julius Jones is gone after this year anyway. It would be a cheap price to pay if Peterson turns out to be the next L. Tomlinson.

Jerry Jones is a bit of a gambler, so I wouldn't rule this out. One more thing that keeps entering my mind ..... the last several years we have traded down, and it has paid off, to some degree, because we didn't have a lot of talent on the team and we needed a large number of quality players, but at this stage, fewer and fewer players will be able to come in and crack this roster due to the influx of talent over the past few years. Trading up makes more sense when a team is loaded with talent. Moving down makes sense when it does not.

 

[GoodOleDays]

i'd love to get peterson, that would make our offense insane.

 

[joseephuss]

Trading up makes more sense when a team is loaded with talent. Moving down makes sense when it does not.

Dallas is not loaded with talent.

The funny part to me is that it would cost Dallas more to get the next Tomlinson than it cost the Chargers to get the original Tomlinson. They actually traded down to get LT and ended up with Brees as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Dallas is not loaded with talent.

The funny part to me is that it would cost Dallas more to get the next Tomlinson than it cost the Chargers to get the original Tomlinson. They actually traded down to get LT and ended up with Brees as well.

they went from #1 to #5

big drop

 

[FLcowboy]

I am continueing to listen and read all the reports about Julius Jones getting traded and who we will get or what we will get in return. Now it is no secret that Adrian Peterson is THE back of the draft and please I dont want to hear all the BS about how he cant stay healthy. The guy is a stud and has been a stud since he was the top back coming out of high school. He has the size,speed, attitude and simply can do it all. Hell he is as good as a sure thing as Calvin Johnson!

Now with that said I would like to hear what would it take to trade up from our draft position of 22 to get to the number 3 spot to draft him.

Although Cleveland has sign Jamal Lewis and traded Droughns, they still could use a quality back in this new two back league. I say we trade Jones to Cleveland and a second and fifth round pick.

Or trade Jones and a Canty plus a third and fifth round pick.

I would like to hear what are some past trades that teams have done to move up 19 spots in the first round. I know it all goes by a point system but trading Jones and maybe another "B" player may get the deal done.

Jones is good but Peterson is that SPECIAL player like Emmitt and Dorsett.

Interesting, you don't want any BS regarding Petersons health, yet you offer BS about trading Canty, considering he was the steal of the draft two years ago, and has done nothing to change anybody's opinion of that, if only he could be turned loose in a scheme that would maximize his skills.

Pick #22 is worth 780 points. Pick #3 is worth 2200 points. That leaves a deficit of 1420 points, or, the Cowboys' first round picks of the next two years, assuming they draft in the same position.

You want to offset that by taking a gamble on Peterson (who is the last great back coming out of the Big 12 conference) and giving up Canty.

I don't think your future as a GM in the NFL is secure.

 

[Big Dakota]

Interesting, you don't want any BS regarding Petersons health, yet you offer BS about trading Canty, considering he was the steal of the draft two years ago, and has done nothing to change anybody's opinion of that, if only he could be turned loose in a scheme that would maximize his skills.

Pick #22 is worth 780 points. Pick #3 is worth 2200 points. That leaves a deficit of 1420 points, or, the Cowboys' first round picks of the next two years, assuming they draft in the same position.

You want to offset that by taking a gamble on Peterson (who is the last great back coming out of the Big 12 conference) and giving up Canty.

I don't think your future as a GM in the NFL is secure.

Actually next years #1 is worth a #2 this year and i'd suspect a #1 2 years removed would be worth even less.

 

[Spectre]

I still think the Raiders would be foolish not to take him at #1 and get their QB in round 2.

I agree.

Or even take Peterson #1 overall because Rhodes/Jordan are that great and they have Moss and Curry and Porter. Could also find a WR in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

You do realize next years #1 is equal to a #2 this year, points wise. Considering the Cowboys are a 5-1 bet to win the NFC, i'd think their #1 next year would be worth a LOW #2 this year, or in the 300 point range. Certainly no more than 400. Like you and i both said earlier, it just isn't feasible to go from #22 to #3 unless you are willinbg to do a Ricky Williams type deal. If he slips down towards #8-#10 and his value goes from 2200 to say 1400-1500, well then our #1 at 780, and JJ is worth maybe 300 and this years #2 is worth 370 that would get you very close.

Yep. Math doesn't work. And this is coming from someone who a couple days ago was publicly wondering aloud how much it would take to move up to get Calvin.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

The more logical scenario to be considered is the Julius for Buffalo's #12. Someone very, very tempting will be sitting there at 12...

 

[vicjagger]

As we speak (or type) Dallas has 10 picks in the upcoming draft which total 1458 points. They would have to trade their entire draft just to get up to pick 7 or 8.

To get to # 3 would require their entire draft plus more next year, or a player.

Still interested? I didn't think so.

 

[AsthmaField]

The more logical scenario to be considered is the Julius for Buffalo's #12. Someone very, very tempting will be sitting there at 12...

I agree. I usually say wait until the draft is going on to make first round trades (see Raghib Ismail in 1991). However, if we could give Julius to Buffalo and straight up trade spots in the first round, I would give that serious consideration. Even if we had to throw in a 5th rounder this year.

That would position us to get a very good player at 12 and would also position us to trade up a few spots if someone the Dallas scouts really think is great starts to fall, like Peterson for example.

I think RB's are easy to find in the draft, so say we go CB at 12, then we can try to pick up a complement to Marion Barber in the 2nd or third.

I'd really have to know the values we placed on the potential draftees to know if this was a good idea or not. If we think there is a big dropoff in talent from 12 to 22, then I say do it. If we think the value is relatively flat from 12 to 22, then I say stay put.

Just my $0.02

 

[dfense]

I am continueing to listen and read all the reports about Julius Jones getting traded and who we will get or what we will get in return. Now it is no secret that Adrian Peterson is THE back of the draft and please I dont want to hear all the BS about how he cant stay healthy. The guy is a stud and has been a stud since he was the top back coming out of high school. He has the size,speed, attitude and simply can do it all. Hell he is as good as a sure thing as Calvin Johnson!

Now with that said I would like to hear what would it take to trade up from our draft position of 22 to get to the number 3 spot to draft him.

Although Cleveland has sign Jamal Lewis and traded Droughns, they still could use a quality back in this new two back league. I say we trade Jones to Cleveland and a second and fifth round pick.

Or trade Jones and a Canty plus a third and fifth round pick.

I would like to hear what are some past trades that teams have done to move up 19 spots in the first round. I know it all goes by a point system but trading Jones and maybe another "B" player may get the deal done.

Jones is good but Peterson is that SPECIAL player like Emmitt and Dorsett.

Canty is a really good young player. Why dangle him?

 

[AsthmaField]

Canty is a really good young player. Why dangle him?

I'm not that sold on Canty. I think he's pretty good, but I like Hatcher a lot more. I like having Canty and Hatcher better than either one alone, but I could see moving Hatcher to the starter and dealing Canty for the right deal.

3-4 DE's aren't hard to come by. I actually like Ratliff almost as much as Canty. Canty is a 4th rounder and Ratliff is a seventh rounder. They can be found in later rounds.

 

[nathanlt]

What would it take to move to #3?

Romo, Ware, and Barber.


PULL THE TRIGGER!!! DRAFT PICKS AT ANY COST!!

 

[dmoore]

It'd be dumb to move up for Peterson. He's a great back but giving up the stupid amount of picks it'd take to move-up that far wouldn't be worth it for us. Our 2 back system seems to be pretty effective, and will probably be even better next year with an improved line. And let's not forget that Peterson is far from a sure thing. He's a special back, but even if he would've been healthy all year I don't think he would've been the best back in the country. McFadden is a beast and I think he's closer to a sure thing than Peterson. Peterson runs kinda high and is really lean, so durability at the next level is going to be a major question mark.

 

[MONT17]

Interesting, you don't want any BS regarding Petersons health, yet you offer BS about trading Canty, considering he was the steal of the draft two years ago, and has done nothing to change anybody's opinion of that, if only he could be turned loose in a scheme that would maximize his skills.

Pick #22 is worth 780 points. Pick #3 is worth 2200 points. That leaves a deficit of 1420 points, or, the Cowboys' first round picks of the next two years, assuming they draft in the same position.

You want to offset that by taking a gamble on Peterson (who is the last great back coming out of the Big 12 conference) and giving up Canty.

I don't think your future as a GM in the NFL is secure.

any GM who can get another GM to give up the 3rd overall pick in the draft for picks he may not even be around to use... should do something more important than football!!!

 

[Big Dakota]

any GM who can get another GM to give up the 3rd overall pick in the draft for picks he may not even be around to use... should do something more important than football!!!

I think Halliburton has an opening in it's new Dubai office.

 

[silverbear]

I am continueing to listen and read all the reports about Julius Jones getting traded and who we will get or what we will get in return. Now it is no secret that Adrian Peterson is THE back of the draft and please I dont want to hear all the BS about how he cant stay healthy.

It's not BS, it's the truth... every draft profile I've read on him cites how frequently he gets hurt... they even talk about WHY that happens-- an upright running style...

Here's what NFLDraftCountdown says about him, and his injury problem:

Durability is a major concern and he was unable to even make it through a entire college season healthy... Runs too high and he will leave himself open to some big hits...

...Perhaps the only thing that can stop him from becoming one of the best players at his position in the NFL are the injuries but that is a very valid concern and could cause teams to temper their enthusiasm...Risky prospect who could end up being a stud or a disappointment.

NFL.com says:

Despite injury problems in his three seasons at Oklahoma (dislocated left shoulder, right high ankle sprain, broken right clavicle)...

...2004: Dislocated his left shoulder in fall drills and re-injured it several times during the season, requiring surgery in January 2005.

2005: Bothered all season by a chronic right high ankle sprain that eventually forced him to miss the Baylor game (10/22) and more than two quarters of action in each of the Kansas State (10/01), Texas (10/08) and Kansas (10/15) contests.

2006: Suffered a left collarbone fracture vs. Iowa State (10/14), sitting out the next seven contests vs. Colorado, Missouri, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State and Nebraska.

No, that's not injury prone AT ALL...

Yes, when HEALTHY, AP is a fine, fine talent... but he's hurt a lot... in addition, he's not much of a receiver, and far below standard as a blocker... and he coughs the ball up a little too frequently...

Sorry, but I wouldn't even THINK about giving up what it would take to move up to grab that guy, when it's so likely that he's gonna miss more than his fair share of games due to injury... if he somehow fell to 22, that would be a different story...