Trading down looks great!

[nathanlt]

Agree 100%.

Jerry better not try and outsmart himself.

We need quality, not quantity at this point. We aren't rebuilding anymore.

I think you have a better chance of picking quality if you get 4 picks in the top 63 instead of three in the top 63. This year seems to have a lot of strength in the second round. Plus, the salaries are definitely lower for those that do pan out.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

I've always believed that the difference between a 2007 Cowboy team and a 2007 Dolphin team can be measured in the top 5 to 10 players. How good a team is has more to do with its best 10 players than its bottom 40.

I disagree with you here. With the very important exception of the QB, who needs to be one of the best, I think the best strategy is to strengthen the weakest link. You want your worst guy on the field to be better than the opponent's worst guy, more than you want your best guy to be better than the opponent's best guy (that was an awkward sentence - hopefully you understand). And you want capable reserves to come in when a starter goes down and to push starters during practice.

Also, I think people think that trading down is a lot easier than it really is. You have to find a trading partner that is dead set on drafting one player, and I don't think most teams are like that. The Cowboys have been good at finding trading partners recently, but I don't think that is the norm.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Ok, so just name the two players that are better than adding James Hardy and Early Doucet or Brandon Flowers and Antoine Cason

(This assumes we convert Stanback to RB as was suggested in another thread, creating the Predator backfield. I'm sure romo would wear some dreadlocks to complete the effect.)

A few, not all in no particular order.

DRC, Malcolm Kelly, Kenny Phillips, Chris Johnson, Rashard Mendenhall, Mike Jenkins, Aqib Talib (as a safety), Reggie Smith (as a safety)

There are some others too, but I also like Hardy, and Cason. Maybe even Doucet. Why would you trade down when there is better talent to be had in the first round?

 

[Hostile]

Ok, so just name the two players that are better than adding James Hardy and Early Doucet or Brandon Flowers and Antoine Cason

(This assumes we convert Stanback to RB as was suggested in another thread, creating the Predator backfield. I'm sure romo would wear some dreadlocks to complete the effect.)

How do you guarantee all 4 of those players are there when you say they are? I'll name the 2 players when you can prove what you propose is a certainty.

 

[silver]

I'm hoping for the exact opposite. trade up to find an impact player. all we need is one more impact player preferably on offense.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm hoping for the exact opposite. trade up to find an impact player. all we need is one more impact player preferably on offense.

I'm just hoping two players that we really need fall into our laps at 22nd and 28th. Give me two of one of these players in the first round and I will be damn happy. Aqib Talib @ safety, Reggie Smith @ safety, Mike Jenkins, DRC, Leodis McKelvin, Chris Johnson, Rashard Mendenhall, or Malcolm Kelly.

If we land two of those. PAYDAY!

 

[nathanlt]

How do you guarantee all 4 of those players are there when you say they are? I'll name the 2 players when you can prove what you propose is a certainty.

I can only prove that if it actually happens. It's a guessing game, and the probabilities are that you can hit on more Pro-Bowlers and solid contributors if you double down your picks AND do your homework. As a side note, I HATE that Dallas lost Ireland. That's going to make it tough!

 

[BigDFan5]

As I said in Victim express' thread. I would rather trade up and get a difference maker, than trade down for lesser players.

As was said before this team is already among the best teams in the NFL, we do not need 4 second round players we need 1 or 2 really good players.

 

[TheCount]

I can only prove that if it actually happens. It's a guessing game, and the probabilities are that you can hit on more Pro-Bowlers and solid contributors if you double down your picks AND do your homework. As a side note, I HATE that Dallas lost Ireland. That's going to make it tough!

So how do you make room on a roster that had problems even keeping guys active last year, with all those picks?

That's what, 6 players alone in the 2nd and 3rd?

The talent also doesn't get better the longer you wait, a lot of times teams just get lucky. And remember that for all these players to pan out, you have to invest at least 3 years into them. So what happens to the draft picks the next two years, while you're waiting to see if the first bunch pans out?

At what point do you end up releasing vets, and just hoping the young guys can do it? Do you cut the vets playing time to see more of the rookies? Hell, we already have a bunch of young guys doing well, do you start pushing those guys aside to see even MORE young guys?

It's not as if we don't have later picks to try and bring in those developmental guys.

 

[AsthmaField]

Spot on man. We did the same think with JJ and freakin' St. Jackson back a few years ago. Should have taken him and run.

Yep. That's what can get a team in trouble. When you have one player rated a little better than another... but you try to get cute and get extra picks and get the guy that is "almost" as good.

That's BS. If there is a guy that we like and think is going to be a good one... just draft his *** and move on. Don't try to pick up an extra 4th and get the "almost" as good guy.

 

[BigDave95]

I'm just hoping two players that we really need fall into our laps at 22nd and 28th. Give me two of one of these players in the first round and I will be damn happy. Aqib Talib @ safety, Reggie Smith @ safety, Mike Jenkins, DRC, Leodis McKelvin, Chris Johnson, Rashard Mendenhall, or Malcolm Kelly.

If we land two of those. PAYDAY!

If you want Talib or Smith at safety, what are you doing with Roy and Ken?


I'd take DRC, McKelvin, Jenkins, Talib, Kelly, Sweed, Mendenhall, or Stewart at #22.

All those and Branden Albert, Antoine Cason, Felix Jones, and Early Doucet at #28.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

this is not a horrible idea, however, we better use #22 for a stud....and trade #28 for two pks.

 

[Redball Express]

As I said in Victim express' thread. I would rather trade up and get a difference maker, than trade down for lesser players.

But neither of us are either right or wrong, it all depends.

And 'Victim express' thread'..help me with what that infers..?

Want to be sure I'm up to speed with that reference. I'm positive that's a friendly and complimentary endearment. Right..?

Thanks.

:starspinReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

 

[BigDFan5]

But neither of us are either right or wrong, it all depends.

And 'Victim express' thread'..help me with what that infers..?

Want to be sure I'm up to speed with that reference. I'm positive that's a friendly and complimentary endearment. Right..?

Thanks.

:starspinReDBaLL ExPreSS :starspin

Victim express was a humorous comment about your first post in this thread where you played the victim card about how your thread was received by all us stupid people who are to ignorant to see your brilliance unless told to do so by Mickey Spagnola. Then again I am sure you were saying all that as a friendly and complimentary endearment. Right?

 

[DFWJC]

It is all about value. If guys we want are off the board then trading down makes sense but trading down just for the sake of doing so does not.

If we can get a need position whom we rank 22nd or higher at 22 we should take him.

I do think we may look to move down at 29 into round 2 and pick up a 3rd or 4th for our troubles but again it all depends on who is on the board at the time.

If 22 is DRC and 29 is DeSean Jackson/Malcolm Kelly then the value is too high to trade down.

We really have to wait and see who falls where.

That sums it up, IMO. It is all about value. It IS a deep draft at some of the positions we like, so we may end up trading down...just have to see how the chips fall.

 

[DFWJC]

Ok, so just name the two players that are better than adding James Hardy and Early Doucet or Brandon Flowers and Antoine Cason

(This assumes we convert Stanback to RB as was suggested in another thread, creating the Predator backfield. I'm sure romo would wear some dreadlocks to complete the effect.)

I hear you, but is not what we think...it's what the Cowboys staff thinks. This is all pure speculation saying who will be better than who. It's fun for us, but too many here assume they know how these players are going to turn out. History tells us nobody really knows...you just assess value and stick to your plan while remaining flexible.

 

[Chuck 54]

If teams are so anxious to give up their 2nd and 3rd round picks for a first that we can actually find trade partners for both of our firsts, then I say:

Hell NO !!!

I'd prefer trading our 2nd and 3rd round picks for another first rounder; then use our 3 first round picks on CB, WR, RB.

I'd be happy waiting for the fourth round for our camp fodder.

 

[Fletch]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

If the Patriots did it, it would be considered down right genius.

 

[Redball Express]

Victim express was a humorous comment about your first post in this thread where you played the victim card about how your thread was received by all us stupid people who are to ignorant to see your brilliance unless told to do so by Mickey Spagnola. Then again I am sure you were saying all that as a friendly and complimentary endearment. Right?

..then there is nothing I can do to stop that.

I don't think I'm playing a victim card.

More like a Truth or Dare card. See it played here all the time on topics.

Your choice of words, not mine. And I'm not refering to the entire Forum, just a segment.

And unlike you, I'm not concerned about whether you agree with me or not.

We'll move on and like I said, agree to disagree.

Thanks for the explanation.

:starspinReDBaLL ExPreSS:starspin

 

[Bleu Star]

If we try and get cute, it's going to backfire really bad. With a team this close to being there, don't fool around. Do the homework and take the guys we want.

Nice thought Nathan but