Transition to Tampa 2

[NorthwestDallas40]

i believe that letting Mo, Carr, Wilcox, and to a lesser extent Church, was intentional because Marianelli prefers to play cover 2 zone and those players did not fit the scheme. Mo and Carr are primarily press man corners, who have little awareness in zone and are not real strong tacklers, which you need outside in cover 2. Likewise, Wilcox and Church were in the box safeties with limited coverage range, which is the key for safeties in cover 2... so we sign a big corner like Carroll who is good in zone and can tackle and we will draft another. Likewise, we give Heath first shot at SS because he's got speed and range and we'all draft a speedy safety as well... if played right, and we get some semblance of a pass rush, cover 2 could generate more turnovers because DBs are all looking forward at the QB, not turning and running in man coverage.

 

[Setackin]

If that's true look for Desmond King in the 2nd, he's a great tackler and really good awareness.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

If that's true look for Desmond King in the 2nd, he's a great tackler and really good awareness.

Yea, really like him as a S too.

 

[curboys]

So which corners and safeties from the 2017 draft fit the requirement.

 

[Dhragon]

i believe that letting Mo, Carr, Wilcox, and to a lesser extent Church, was intentional because Marianelli prefers to play cover 2 zone and those players did not fit the scheme. Mo and Carr are primarily press man corners, who have little awareness in zone and are not real strong tacklers, which you need outside in cover 2. Likewise, Wilcox and Church were in the box safeties with limited coverage range, which is the key for safeties in cover 2... so we sign a big corner like Carroll who is good in zone and can tackle and we will draft another. Likewise, we give Heath first shot at SS because he's got speed and range and we'all draft a speedy safety as well... if played right, and we get some semblance of a pass rush, cover 2 could generate more turnovers because DBs are all looking forward at the QB, not turning and running in man coverage.

You could be right. It was pointed out in multiple articles over the years that man coverage for the CBs wasn't the usual Marinelli tactic, that he preferred zone. Supposedly good zone corners are easier to find than good man coverage Cbs as well.

Of course, if our pass rush doesn't get stronger, our defense will look really bad if we are playing mainly zone. The opposing QB completion rate will probably be 80% or so LOL.

 

[StylisticS]

Don't see King falling to 60 though.

 

[Alexander]

Don't see King falling to 60 though.

With this class it is entirely possible. He is not a good corner fit for a lot of teams.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

I think both Ohio State CBs, Humphrey from Bama, Quincy Wilson from FLA, Moreau from UCLA, and later Kevin King from UW, Witherspoon from Colorado, and Douglas from WVU. I don't see us taking a guy like Adoree Jackson.

 

[Cowboys22]

Terrible plan. The Tampa 2 was figured out 20 years ago. The only way to run it effectively is to have overwhelming talent and be able to get to the QB with your front 4. If you can't, then QBs can pick you apart because WRs are running free all over the place and sitting down in the open spaces.

 

[CWR]

i believe that letting Mo, Carr, Wilcox, and to a lesser extent Church, was intentional because Marianelli prefers to play cover 2 zone and those players did not fit the scheme. Mo and Carr are primarily press man corners, who have little awareness in zone and are not real strong tacklers, which you need outside in cover 2. Likewise, Wilcox and Church were in the box safeties with limited coverage range, which is the key for safeties in cover 2... so we sign a big corner like Carroll who is good in zone and can tackle and we will draft another. Likewise, we give Heath first shot at SS because he's got speed and range and we'all draft a speedy safety as well... if played right, and we get some semblance of a pass rush, cover 2 could generate more turnovers because DBs are all looking forward at the QB, not turning and running in man coverage.

I remember after we signed Carr and drafted Mo we then brought in Kiffin/Marianelli(I think thats the timeline.) There was alot of talk about how the huge investments didnt make sense because of the cover 2 and how much easier and cheaper it is to find cbs for the system.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Yea, really like him as a S too.

He would be a steal if he lasts to our 2nd round pick.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Melifinu from UConn, Evans from A&M, Williams from Utah, and maybe King from Iowa would all be S with range who could fit.

 

[CWR]

Terrible plan. The Tampa 2 was figured out 20 years ago. The only way to run it effectively is to have overwhelming talent and be able to get to the QB with your front 4. If you can't, then QBs can pick you apart because WRs are running free all over the place and sitting down in the open spaces.

That is a terrifying thought. Didnt Marinelli run a cover 2 in Chicago? One thing about that Bears defense was his ability to make guys like Melton stars.

 

[Dhragon]

I remember after we signed Carr and drafted Mo we then brought in Kiffin/Marianelli(I think thats the timeline.) There was alot of talk about how the huge investments didnt make sense because of the cover 2 and how much easier and cheaper it is to find cbs for the system.

Which would be great ( CBs being cheap ) since we have so much money allocated to the offense. Being able to go cheap at a usually expensive position would be ideal.

 

[CWR]

Which would be great ( CBs being cheap ) since we have so much money allocated to the offense. Being able to go cheap at a usually expensive position would be ideal.

Yes maybe we could actually afford to load up on our missing pieces at that point. Of course if we pulled off another draft like last year there wont be many missing pieces. Not that I expect anywhere near last years draft success.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Terrible plan. The Tampa 2 was figured out 20 years ago. The only way to run it effectively is to have overwhelming talent and be able to get to the QB with your front 4. If you can't, then QBs can pick you apart because WRs are running free all over the place and sitting down in the open spaces.

How can it be worse than seeing Packer WRs running free through our man coverage, Aaron Rodgers not even buckling his chin strap and laughing.

 

[waving monkey]

Terrible plan. The Tampa 2 was figured out 20 years ago. The only way to run it effectively is to have overwhelming talent and be able to get to the QB with your front 4. If you can't, then QBs can pick you apart because WRs are running free all over the place and sitting down in the open spaces.

I dont beleive that not that I know more then you,I dont but good schemes have flexibility and Marinelli has shown flexibility

 

[robbieruff]

i believe that letting Mo, Carr, Wilcox, and to a lesser extent Church, was intentional because Marianelli prefers to play cover 2 zone and those players did not fit the scheme. Mo and Carr are primarily press man corners, who have little awareness in zone and are not real strong tacklers, which you need outside in cover 2. Likewise, Wilcox and Church were in the box safeties with limited coverage range, which is the key for safeties in cover 2... so we sign a big corner like Carroll who is good in zone and can tackle and we will draft another. Likewise, we give Heath first shot at SS because he's got speed and range and we'all draft a speedy safety as well... if played right, and we get some semblance of a pass rush, cover 2 could generate more turnovers because DBs are all looking forward at the QB, not turning and running in man coverage.

And let's not forget how effective Byron Jones is in zone. Particularly that last pass play against the Packers.

 

[Gaede]

With this class it is entirely possible. He is not a good corner fit for a lot of teams.

Yeah, King is the exact kind of player that's falls in the draft

 

[DoctorChicken]

That is a terrifying thought. Didnt Marinelli run a cover 2 in Chicago? One thing about that Bears defense was his ability to make guys like Melton stars.

Yes he did, and his Bears defenses were legitimately good defenses.

Seattle runs a Tampa 2 hybrid. But they have a great DL.