Travis Frederick at LG?

[iceberg]

Depth Chart (Unofficial)

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/depth-chart.html

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/travis-frederick-at-lg.257525/page-3#post-5105571

pointed it out the other day.

 

[Idgit]

Depth Chart (Unofficial)

http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/depth-chart.html

Well, that version of the chart does have a big 'unofficial' in the title.

@iceberg.

 

[iceberg]

Well, that version of the chart does have a big 'unofficial' in the title.

@iceberg.

yep. kinda hard to make it official at this point of the game. but like i said, i just feel we drafted the top rated C in the draft, not the 8th best G who happened to be the best G *at the time*. all indications i've heard say he is our starting C.

 

[Idgit]

yep. kinda hard to make it official at this point of the game. but like i said, i just feel we drafted the top rated C in the draft, not the 8th best G who happened to be the best G *at the time*. all indications i've heard say he is our starting C.

I agree. I just happened to see the big unofficial in the title of that particular chart. But, yeah. It's like with Mo last season. If Jenks was healthy, he was still playing at a slightly higher level of CB than Mo was coming in as a rookie and missing a lot of camp. Didn't matter. Mo was going to be the starter, and by the end of the season (sooner, really) that was a good thing.

In Frederick's case, he might already be playing at a higher level than Costa is. But, even if he's not, he's going to hold that job unless he gets dramatically unseated (which is not going to happen), or something happens at OG where they feel they need to move somebody and Costa can't cut it.

I don't really care. I just like that we've got some options. I'm praying that Leary blows everyone's socks off in camp, too and that we actually develop a starter from one of our interior OL projects, for once.

 

[Doomsday101]

yep. kinda hard to make it official at this point of the game. but like i said, i just feel we drafted the top rated C in the draft, not the 8th best G who happened to be the best G *at the time*. all indications i've heard say he is our starting C.

Thing is draft is over now it is about getting players on the roster to form a unit. I think long term Frederick will be the center entering into the season one that is I think very important to the team and to Garrett you better be able to put out the best guys you can alone the OL. I would love to see Smith, Living, Frederick, Leary and Free out there but also open to the other possibility.

So would Frederick be the best Guard on this team? I’m not handing the job to Costa at Center but if he can show very good play at center then it at least opens the possibility that we can strengthen the Guard spot as well

 

[iceberg]

Thing is draft is over now it is about getting players on the roster to form a unit. I think long term Frederick will be the center entering into the season one that is I think very important to the team and to Garrett you better be able to put out the best guys you can alone the OL. I would love to see Smith, Living, Frederick, Leary and Free out there but also open to the other possibility.

So would Frederick be the best Guard on this team? I’m not handing the job to Costa at Center but if he can show very good play at center then it at least opens the possibility that we can strengthen the Guard spot as well

has costa shown it yet? i think the front office has seen enough to know C was a position to be addressed. i think as camp goes on and OG's are cut, we'll likely bring in a vet to compete. but the only place i've seen frederick listed as a potential G is in here; barring a horrible start to the season and forced moves.

 

[CowboyStar88]

maybe if you actually watched the games in which he got totally owned you would get it.
Maybe you should also realize all the Costa fans basically hang their hats on the Baltimore game because there is NOTHING ELSE.
Maybe you should also think about the FACT that that Baltimore D got OWNED during that period of the season. KC ran all over them with NO THREAT of a passing game at all.

Why don't you back your tone down a bit. I watch every game there bud. I didn't quote the baltimore game I don't see anyone claiming to be a "Costa Lover". Hyperbole much? Just because your blind hatered for the guy is clouding your judgement doesn't make you right. I am of the opinion that players can get better with practice and time under their belt.

 

[jterrell]

apparently him being listed as starting Center on the official depth chart doesn't end these types of conversations either.

So we can sharpie in Free at RT and Mack at RG then too? Why discuss any position at all since they won;t change from the current depth chart....

The team prefers Frederick at OC is all this indicates. Doesn't mean that's the way it ends up.

 

[burmafrd]

Why don't you back your tone down a bit. I watch every game there bud. I didn't quote the baltimore game I don't see anyone claiming to be a "Costa Lover". Hyperbole much? Just because your blind hatered for the guy is clouding your judgement doesn't make you right. I am of the opinion that players can get better with practice and time under their belt.

And some don't get better. Think on that

as regards being blind then you certanly are. Costa lovers harp on the Baltimore game every chance they get. If you cannot see that then get your eyes checked

 

[iceberg]

So we can sharpie in Free at RT and Mack at RG then too? Why discuss any position at all since they won;t change from the current depth chart....

The team prefers Frederick at OC is all this indicates. Doesn't mean that's the way it ends up.

yep. you do that.

 

[speedkilz88]

Stole this from somewhere else.

Todd Archer on BSPN, Fitzsimmons and Durrett

In His Opinion:

-Free will start over Parnell because Free is a better player

-Leary will win a starting G spot and Livings will be the odd man out. Bernadeau wins out over Livings. So, it sounds like the starting OL would be, T Smith, Leary, Frederick, Bernadeau, Free.

-T Williams gets the #3 spot over Harris. Says Harris is really a #4 and thats all he'll be, while Williams has the potential to be a #3, or #2. Not gonna be the #1 as long as Dez is here. Also said in the first OTA's Williams was lined up as the #3 from the start, not Harris.

 

[CowboyStar88]

And some don't get better. Think on that

as regards being blind then you certanly are. Costa lovers harp on the Baltimore game every chance they get. If you cannot see that then get your eyes checked

Let's see did I harp on the Balt game? No I said he played well when he played last year. As for the opinion of Nate and Larry they think highly of the guy and felt right before the SF game he just needed more reps and time. But what do they know? I haven't seen one person claim to be a "Costa Lover" all I see is people saying that if both Fred and Costa play well in TC how do you get them both on the field? Seems that people are saying that putting Fred at OG and Costa at OC would make sense. But you obviously are having a hard time with that. So maybe you should get your eyes checked because I've missed where anyone has said they were a "Costa Lover". We have no idea how he has progressed because we are not there to witness it but obviously Dallas was going to roll with him at OC if they would've drafted Warmack or Cooper, so maybe he isn't as "terrible" as you claim.

 

[jterrell]

yep. you do that.

i dont have any of them penciled in due to a pre training camp depth chart because i have a brain.
i know lawrence vickers is probably not even going to make the club.

then again i never made that silly argument much less acted as if it meant something.

 

[iceberg]

i dont have any of them penciled in due to a pre training camp depth chart because i have a brain.
i know lawrence vickers is probably not even going to make the club.

then again i never made that silly argument much less acted as if it meant something.

yea, so i'm brainless. got it.

 

[CowboyStar88]

And some don't get better. Think on that

And you know he hasn't how? Fact is you nor anyone else including me knows if he has gotten better or is getting better. But I am not ready to just throw the guy in the trash pile and say he can't play. It's obvious he has had some good plays and is very coachable and a smart player so why wouldn't he improve? So short sighted.

 

[iceberg]

And you know he hasn't how? Fact is you nor anyone else including me knows if he has gotten better or is getting better. But I am not ready to just throw the guy in the trash pile and say he can't play. It's obvious he has had some good plays and is very coachable and a smart player so why wouldn't he improve? So short sighted.

i've not been overly thrilled with the development of costa that i've seen. maybe he has gotten better. for the sake of our team, i hope he has. but i do feel frederick was drafted to be our starting center for many years to come and perhaps costa can be the backup. if he truly outplayed frederick then great, we've got (2) very bright potential stars on our OL and we sorely need that.

 

[jterrell]

yea, so i'm brainless. got it.

only if you hold onto an argument when it has been proven to have very little merit.
part of any discussion is acceptance of basic logic.

lacking basic logic to concede the obvious is probably somewhat equivalent to brainless.
acts i am sure most are guilty of at some point.

i want to see our OL perform at its very best which I believe puts me in agreement with about 95% of the actual fans.
may be a few who prefer failure so Garrett gets canned or so they can win some inane argument but the majority of us are probably on the same page.

as to how that happens none of us get paid to make the decision so its just talk.

 

[CowboyStar88]

i've not been overly thrilled with the development of costa that i've seen. maybe he has gotten better. for the sake of our team, i hope he has. but i do feel frederick was drafted to be our starting center for many years to come and perhaps costa can be the backup. if he truly outplayed frederick then great, we've got (2) very bright potential stars on our OL and we sorely need that.

I am not saying I don't want Fred to be our starter because I do. I just see the point of getting the best 5 guys out there and if that just by chance means FrED at OG and Costa at OC I am fine with that.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am not saying I don't want Fred to be our starter because I do. I just see the point of getting the best 5 guys out there and if that just by chance means FrED at OG and Costa at OC I am fine with that.

Exactly. I fully expect Frederick will become the long term starting center, however I'm open to the prospect that if putting Costa at Center and Frederick at guard can help in the short term then do it.

 

[iceberg]

I am not saying I don't want Fred to be our starter because I do. I just see the point of getting the best 5 guys out there and if that just by chance means FrED at OG and Costa at OC I am fine with that.

well i'd be hard pressed to deny having the best people at the best positions is a bad thing, so you have a valid point there. i just think we drafted frederick to be our C for the next 10+ years and barring some wild turn of events, i think that's what will happen.