Travis Frederick at LG?

[burmafrd]

BS

Those guys have some quickness and agility. Just check their testing but all have been questioned as far as mobility.

Bernie and Livings came because Jerruh went dumpster diving;. Their main qualification was that they were CHEAP

 

[speedkilz88]

Bernie and Livings came because Jerruh went dumpster diving;. Their main qualification was that they were CHEAP

Callahan chose those guys. The blame Jerry schtick when things don't work out is dumb.

 

[DrKennethNoisewater]

Callahan chose those guys? That is simply not an accurate statement. He agreed with what Jerry gave him, nothing more.

 

[speedkilz88]

Callahan chose those guys? That is simply not an accurate statement. He agreed with what Jerry gave him, nothing more.

Yes, he chose those guys. You are the one not being accurate.

 

[Fredd]

Fred = center....as the beatles would say, let it be

 

[DrKennethNoisewater]

Basically any player Jerry brought in he would have endorsed. Naive to not believe otherwise.

 

[iceberg]

Basically any player Jerry brought in he would have endorsed. Naive to not believe otherwise.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Holy smokes, Costa played less than 5 quarters of Football last year, and that has made some of you forget what a horrible center he is. What makes you anyone think that one year away from football makes him a better center than your first round draft pick? He gets pushed back on most plays, and its a myth that he improved towards the end of the '11 season. The dude is terrible, and you want to displace Fredrick, who was drafted to shore up the center position. I hope that if Costa makes the team, he never steps foot on the field for any significant snaps. And no he did not win the Center position outright in training camp, Gurode was cut, and he became a starter by default.

 

[burmafrd]

Yes, he chose those guys. You are the one not being accurate.

and you live on Fantasy Island

 

[Idgit]

Bravo.

Seriously... Bravo.

Thanks. One of the side-effects of being a mod--and it's easy to forget it--is you get to see all the stuff about the players that gets deleted because it's against forum guidelines for whatever reason. You can imagine, there's usually a fairly high correlation between more extreme posts and guideline violations. It probably colors my perspective more than I realize.

I dislike weak links every bit as much as the next guy, but when it's a try-hard overachiever who's just not good enough at what he loves to do to help us out as much as we need help, I tend to blame the organization for not hedging it's bets and not the player for not being able to be great.
The flip side of that is why I have such intolerance for players with all the ability in the world who just won't work or won't be good teammates. I can't stand those guys (Barron, Brewster), and I don't have a lot of sympathy for them when they flame out as a result.

 

[Idgit]

and you live on Fantasy Island

"Jerry's Plane! Jerry's Plane!"

 

[AsthmaField]

Thanks. One of the side-effects of being a mod--and it's easy to forget it--is you get to see all the stuff about the players that gets deleted because it's against forum guidelines for whatever reason. You can imagine, there's usually a fairly high correlation between more extreme posts and guideline violations. It probably colors my perspective more than I realize.

I dislike weak links every bit as much as the next guy, but when it's a try-hard overachiever who's just not good enough at what he loves to do to help us out as much as we need help, I tend to blame the organization for not hedging it's bets and not the player for not being able to be great.
The flip side of that is why I have such intolerance for players with all the ability in the world who just won't work or won't be good teammates. I can't stand those guys (Barron, Brewster), and I don't have a lot of sympathy for them when they flame out as a result.

Yeah, I can imagine what some say that gets filtered out. What makes it through the filters is bad enough.

And like you, I have remarkably little tolerance for high talent athletes that don't have the head or the heart to make it. The guys who might not be the most talented but who do all the right things and bust their *** trying to help the team are the one's that I pull for. If they aren't good enough, then they aren't good enough... but they don't deserve to be belittled because they were born with arms a little too short or because they don't run quite as fast as they should.

It is part of the reason that I've never really understood all the Romo hate. It isn't like the guy came into the league as a high number 1 pick with an attitude that he doesn't have to work hard because he's all that. No, he came into the league as a nobody. An UDFA who was only invited to the combine because they needed a thrower. He scrounged and fought his way onto the roster with a notoriously prickly coach who was as hard-nosed as they come. He worked his butt off, outplayed Quincy and Jerry's golden child (Henson) and eventually even displaced Parcell's hand picked QB Bledsoe when he screwed the pooch one too many times. He cost the team zero in draft picks and not much more in actual money and the entire team was lifted when he finally got his chance to play in real games. Seriously, I think people forget how different the team looked when he took over from Bledsoe. It was night and day. And it wasn't an accident that I said team and not just offense. The entire squad played better and with more heart once Romo go in there.

He didn't expect it. He didn't start because the team had so much invested in him. He didn't stick on the team because of pedigree. He made it because he earned it on the practice field, in the film room and on Sunday's when it counted. The team didn't respond so favorably to him because he was drafted high or because of press clippings... they played like a new team because they had seen him in practice and in preseason games and they knew he gave them the best chance. He was good. Very good, and they knew it.

Where in all of that did Romo expect to be handed the starting job, or where did he get the job because of anything other than him earning it the hard way?

He didn't.

He is right among the very best quarterbacks this franchise has ever had and he is the only one of them that came from so far back, from so little, and started with so little expectation.

I don't want to get this thread off in the wrong direction... but I don't get the ire that some spew at Tony when he has done nothing but outwork everyone else and take the team on his back, along with more blame than he deserves.

Costa has come up the hard way, and if he isn't good enough then I don't want him starting. But you won't find me calling him names and making fun of him because he's not quite good enough. The guy has worked as hard as anyone could to try to win the job, so it certainly isn't any fault of his if he can't become a starter.

He just might be able to do it though. In 2011 he played under Houck and in 2012, while playing for Callahan, he sure looked like a much better player. Some of that was just experience and getting stronger... but most don't think about the difference in scheme and how it might play to Costa's strengths much better than the previous system did.

Who knows? We will, I think, find out soon enough.

 

[jterrell]

Callahan did not bring any ot the players you mentioned...that is the front office.

So when I say he likes his players to have mobility...you counter with quickness and agility. Are you trying to Jedi mindtrick me by saying the same thing I did with different words?

Callahan had a very large say in who was added to the OL. To pretend otherwise suggests you weren't paying attention.

Callahan has NEVER been in the camp of fleet-footed OGs. He likes big, strong guys.
Of course all OL coaches want Larry Allen's but Callahan has went with size over quickness at every stop.

Frederick is getting his first shot at OC because the teams wants more size there too.
It isn't about speed, agility or lateral quickness so pretend the media is stupid and you'll be better off.
The Boys want size and strength under Callahan.
The 1 year experiment with small, quick interior OL failed miserably and they have kept only Costa and Arkin of that group of guys.
Callahan uses scheme to give the OL an edge that makes them play quicker.

 

[jterrell]

BTW, getting the 5 best OL on the field is what matters, not catering to anyone.

Had Dallas been fortunate and drafted one of those 3 franchise LTs would anyone really complain about Tyron going back to RT now?

Frederick looked even better on tape at Wisc. as an OG. Any issues he's had in practice were with snapping the ball and technical OC issues.
OG is simply easier to play.
If we are a better OL with Frederick at OG that's what should happen.
He has played OG and OC the past two years.
He can handle playing both if need be on the NFL level.
That's his calling card and a main reason he has the value he does.
It is absurd to keep him at OC and ignore OG if the guys remain injured and back ups aren't any good.
Larry Allen played RT, RG, LG and turned out quite okay.
No need to cry for Frederick if he needs to play two positions early in his career.


As for Gurode yes he was moved around.
He wasn't ready for the mental game at OC early in his career.
But he got on the field and got experience at OG.
That experience helped him when he did move back to OC and started making yearly Pro Bowl trips.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Terrence Williams and Gavin Escobar will have a chance to be whatever Frederick is.

 

[SportsGuru80]

Man he will be the starting center... I like the fact we beefed up the spot, I got tired of seeing the pocket getting pushed back in Romo's face.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

If Frederick is playing G, he'd be a better RG.

 

[LatinMind]

Holy smokes, Costa played less than 5 quarters of Football last year, and that has made some of you forget what a horrible center he is. What makes you anyone think that one year away from football makes him a better center than your first round draft pick? He gets pushed back on most plays, and its a myth that he improved towards the end of the '11 season. The dude is terrible, and you want to displace Fredrick, who was drafted to shore up the center position. I hope that if Costa makes the team, he never steps foot on the field for any significant snaps. And no he did not win the Center position outright in training camp, Gurode was cut, and he became a starter by default.

you basing that on 2011 when he was a undrafted FA starting when Dallas released Gurode with a lockout.

This is grade A fan evaluation. Imagine if Tony Romo, Miles Austin,would have been forced into action like Costa was. There are good examples of good players that are given time to develope. Barry Church is another example. The guy showed improvement every yr. And last yr would've been good for this defense. Costa IMO is on the same boat. If his injuries are behind him. id love to see him start over both Mack and Livings.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I don't get all the Costa hate. People act like a 3rd player maxed out and couldn't improve at all. We saw in the short time he played last year that h improved and the oline suffered without him. He is also suppose to be a very smart player as well. I don't get what all the crying is about. Everyone wanted cooper or warmack they were OG. So what's wrong with teaming these 2 up? If costa and Fred have a good camp why wouldn't you get them on the field. I thought its been talked about that costa is not a good OG. Also Larry Allen and Nate Newton both think Costa is a player who needed time to develop. I bet the guy has a strong TC as does Fred and Leary and those 3 solidify the interior part of the line. That's where I would place my money

 

[cannonball44]

Callahan chose those guys. The blame Jerry schtick when things don't work out is dumb.

on the contrary, the "blame the GM" schtick when personnel decisions go wrong is incredibly valid.