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[CowboysFaninHouston]

I dont care what they think. I’m right.

Don’t forget. The NFL is a business.

Being a bad team is not good for business.

Dallas has nothing in the Dak Prescott era. Not even a NFC title game. His mediocrity has been great for the bottom line. Business.

Dallas doesn't have anything for the past 28 years. don't forget that. this Mediocrity goes way above and before Dak. but I know your obsession. you are missing the forest because of the trees.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In a similar vein, Flacco in the 2012 playoffs: 4-0, 11 TDs, 0 Ints, 117 rating. Flacco had a period in his prime where he was an excellent QB.

I don't remember him ever being excellent aside from that SB run.

 

[CATCH17]

Dallas doesn't have anything for the past 28 years. don't forget that. this Mediocrity goes way above and before Dak. but I know your obsession. you are missing the forest because of the trees.

I’m looking at a league wide trend.

I dont hyper focus on the Cowboys like 90% of this board.

It’s not Dak hate to say you can pay non elite QBs and your chances of winning a superbowl tank.

It’s not Dak hate to see that the rookie contract is a big advantage and paying a Dak, Kirk Cousins, or whoever significantly decreases your odds.

With all these paid QBs in the league and yet still 3 of the 4 remaining QBs in the post season we’re on Rookie deals and the other is the best talent the NFL has ever seen at QB in Mahomes.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dallas doesn't have anything for the past 28 years. don't forget that. this Mediocrity goes way above and before Dak. but I know your obsession. you are missing the forest because of the trees.

Its funny watching these guys man...Romo never won ANYTYHING in his whole career but to this day say we should've left him in instead of Dak in 2016...they gave Romo 13 plus years....but Dak who's still in his 20's should have a SB by now. Just crazy.....

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I’m looking at a league wide trend.

I dont hyper focus on the Cowboys like 90% of this board.

It’s not Dak hate to say you can pay non elite QBs and your chances of winning a superbowl tank.

It’s not Dak hate to see that the rookie contract is a big advantage and paying a Dak, Kirk Cousins, or whoever significantly decreases your odds.

With all these paid QBs in the league and yet still 3 of the 4 remaining QBs in the post season we’re on Rookie deals and the other is the best talent the NFL has ever seen at QB in Mahomes.

The Cowboys had Dak on a rookie deal.....and did nothing with it. But you have confidence in them to draft someone and finally take advantage of his rookie deal? Cowboys have more talent now WITH his deal then they did on his rookie deal lol.

 

[noshame]

The problem is laying the so-called winning the Super Bowl standard in the lap of the QB. Fans don't get it, QBs don't win Super Bowls, teams do that. There is a reason some of the greatest QBs to play this game has won only one and many of them have none. Hell, Peyton Manning was league MVP 5 times but only manage to win TWO Super Bowls with 2 different teams.

You're right. Quarterbacks cannot win any game by themselves let alone super bowls.

However they certainly can lose any game by themselves including super bowls.

that's what separates the men from the boys.
Average quarterbacks can win super bowls providing they don't have any glaring weaknesses. They don't need to have any major strengths at all.

However there are average Quarterbacks who have glaring weaknesses, once discovered, cannot be overcome.

 

[KJJ]

Daks skill for what he’s paid to do is the problem.

It’s nearly impossible to win a championship with him as your QB because of his contract.

He requires a lot more then an elite QB.




It’s common sense to anyone who isn’t a Dak homer.

Cooper Rush can win 3 of 4 games with this roster. We need a QB who won’t crumble like Dak did in San Fran.

We could pay Cooper Rush the same amount to crumble in the playoffs.

I’m no Dak homer I’m just keeping it real. We can win games with Cooper Rush provided our defense isn’t giving up more than 17 points and we can win with one TD and three FG’s per week. That’s exactly how we were winning games with him. It’s not Dak’s contract that’s causing us not to win Super Bowls. We weren’t winning Super Bowls with Romo. The Cowboys have only won Super Bowls with two QBs in their entire history. Weren’t you the one telling me you would rather have Kyler Murray than Dak? Lol He’s led the Cardinals to the playoffs ONCE and had one of the worst playoff games I’ve ever seen at QB. Do you think he’s worth what he’s being paid? What would you pay him?

 

[DandyDon52]

I find it funny. we complain about losing in the playoffs and we can't win. then we win and its not because we played good. its because the other team was bad.!!!! its a lose lose situation for Dak. if we win, the other team was bad. if we lose, its Dak's fault.

so your saying TB was a good team last year ??

 

[charron]

It's never a good idea to pay non elite players of any position elite money.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

I don't remember him ever being excellent aside from that SB run.

I saw a fair amount of him in his prime because I lived in Patriots country then and in that 2009 - 2012 period (when Flacco, Rice, etc. were playing well) the Pats and Ravens had a bit of a rivalry. So I saw watched more of him than I would have otherwise.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I saw a fair amount of him in his prime because I lived in Patriots country then and in that 2009 - 2012 period (when Flacco, Rice, etc. were playing well) the Pats and Ravens had a bit of a rivalry. So I saw watched more of him than I would have otherwise.

And he was excellent? I guess I’ll take your word for it I don’t have great memories of him aside from the SB run.

 

[Flamma]

what's this money thing "making close to elite"? what does that non-sense even mean. what should be the pay difference between good QBs and Elite QBs? this is a total non-sense by some fans, created in their minds about how much should a Elite QB make vs. others. total non-sense. the money they make is irrelevant of their abilities relative to each other. there is no tiered salary structure in NFL. its supply/demand driven based on perceived value of the position. the market for elite QBs is high, they rarely rarely rarely rarely rarely rarelyrarelyget let go of their teams as the teams find one and do whatever possible to keep them. usually when they are older and the team is ready to move on, they cut bait or trade.

then there is the rest of the market and again, supply/demand for the position and what it takes to resign a QB. so all this other stuff about getting paid close to an elite is nothing but blah blah blah.

teams make it to the superbowl without Elite QBs (Philly, SF) and they win it as well (Eli, Flacco, Foles, etc.). Eli and Flacco both won on their second contract. Grapolo was on his second contract when he made it to the superbowl.

based on some of you, no team should ever resign a QB if they are not elite, they should all just go into the cycle of wash, rinse repeat. draft, fail, draft again, draft, fail draft again, draft, fail draft again, draft fail draft again and after the 4th or 5th try get lucky, find a Elite QB.... essentially compete for about 5-8 years every 20-25 years....

and lastly, the cap each year is the issue. Hurts is the highest paid, yet his salary the next 4 years is highly manageable that allows the team to sign FA, their own or outside. Dak's contract was less than 10% of salary cap the past two years. our GM sucks. thus we are where we are.

I'll try and simplify it for you. There's no tiered salary structure for QBs in the NFL when they're coming off their rookie contract. But there sure as hell is for the rest of the positions. WR Gallup didn't get anywhere near top market value for his position. Same goes for CB Anthony Brown when he was here.

This isn't the case with QBs. If you want to give the QB you drafted a 2nd contract, it's going to be at top market value or close to it.

 

[gtb1943]

Its funny watching these guys man...Romo never won ANYTYHING in his whole career but to this day say we should've left him in instead of Dak in 2016...they gave Romo 13 plus years....but Dak who's still in his 20's should have a SB by now. Just crazy.....

Sure, Dak is only on YEAR 8 right? Romo was 2006 (halfway) to 2015 - so what kind of math do you know that makes that 13 years? So actually Romo was the starter for NINE FULL YEARS.
The Dak fanboobs are so funny- in addition to not being able to count

Dak really has no excuse now. Got a real HC which Romo did not have the last

 

[gtb1943]

I don't remember him ever being excellent aside from that SB run.

IN 11 years with the Ravens he had two years when his QB rating was over 90. 91 in 2014 and 93 in 2010
So no he did not have many years at all when he was even really good let along excellent
To me excellence is a rating of 100 or better

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Sure, Dak is only on YEAR 8 right? Romo was 2006 (halfway) to 2015 - so what kind of math do you know that makes that 13 years? So actually Romo was the starter for NINE FULL YEARS.
The Dak fanboobs are so funny- in addition to not being able to count

Dak really has no excuse now. Got a real HC which Romo did not have the last

Romo entered the league in 2003 and retired in 2016.

The fanboobs......act your age man we're talking football lol. My post wasn't even a shot at Romo it was more so the fact that there's a part of this fanbase who even at 36 years old wanted to stick with Romo and feel he had a shot to win a SB. But Dak at 29 is finished. There's just a huge double standard for two guys who's career are damn near similar.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'll try and simplify it for you. There's no tiered salary structure for QBs in the NFL when they're coming off their rookie contract. But there sure as hell is for the rest of the positions. WR Gallup didn't get anywhere near top market value for his position. Same goes for CB Anthony Brown when he was here.

This isn't the case with QBs. If you want to give the QB you drafted a 2nd contract, it's going to be at top market value or close to it.

there is no tiered salary structure for any position in the NFL. its based on perceived value of a player in a position. QB certainly the most important. DE, LT, CB, WR, so on and so forth. Gallup didn't get near top market value, because Gallup is not a top tier, elite WR. its based on where Gallup is rated (based on league people's knowledge and rating) for the WR position. if he was a top WR, top 5 rated then yes, his contract would be much larger. and as I said, supply and demand. if I lose a player in a position how would I replace him, how easily can I replace his production, what's the impact to the team, etc. Losing a good QB has bigger impact. losing a middle of the pack WR has less impact and mor easily replaceable.

Anthony Brown wasn't a top tier corner. perhaps middle of the pack of the second tier type of CBs. that's why he got what he got.

and good QBs get big second contracts. Davis Mills won't get a top market value contract because he was a starting QB. Zach Wilson won't get a second large contract because he is eligible. Marcus Mariota being a top of the first round pick, didn't get a second large contract. Its based on what the league rates you (not the fans) and what your perceived market value is. so you saying Dak is getting paid close to Elite makes zero sense. its supply and demand of good QBs. its market value of a QB, depending on when he gets the contract (ala Hurts now making more than Mahomes), you may think Dak sucks, you hate him, blah blah blah...your opinion has zero relevance to what the people in the league think. you may call Jerry stupid for giving the contract, but some other team would have. you have zero idea of what people in the NFL think of Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

so your saying TB was a good team last year ??

I am saying its irrelevant. tampa bay was a playoff team. none of the other teams sitting at home then were in the playoffs.

you missed the forest because of the trees

 

[FanofJerry]

I’m looking at a league wide trend.

I dont hyper focus on the Cowboys like 90% of this board.

It’s not Dak hate to say you can pay non elite QBs and your chances of winning a superbowl tank.

It’s not Dak hate to see that the rookie contract is a big advantage and paying a Dak, Kirk Cousins, or whoever significantly decreases your odds.

With all these paid QBs in the league and yet still 3 of the 4 remaining QBs in the post season we’re on Rookie deals and the other is the best talent the NFL has ever seen at QB in Mahomes.

Here is the thing about these debates...no one wants to provide a solution that benefits both sides...the business and the player side.

I agree the QB market is out of hand. Fear has FO's hands tied when negotiating with QBs.

But...it seems like the pro-business side argument always wants something for cheap or to be able to use the player and ditch him before paying him. Latching onto the "well its a business...its about profit...not being nice. Business is neither moral or immoral...its profit seeking" or whatever lame excuse you want to use still has a major flaw: those who are bringing up business when talking about sports are the one making this a duality(sport and business)....but want to be one-sided when talking about pay. If its a duality(a business and a sport)...then be fair about/to the business and the sport/player...stop being so one-sided about the pay subject. These same "posters" would then proceed to outbid everyone if they had the means if Josh Allen(non-Super Bowl winner) became available...reinforcing the problem they complain about everyday. Makes no sense.

Its going to take other GMs not willing to pay the Dak Prescotts before the market corrects. Jerry cant find an instant better option...and Dak could get paid elsewhere if Jerry refuses. All the pro-business guys just want to crap shoot and lose locker rooms. I mean...Daniel Jones just got paid...GMs must not like the crap shoot idea at all.

Posters blast the pro-Free Markets but then hate the NFL QB situation(Which...I agree...seems out of hand. But I would probably be a guilty GM and pay a Dak over crap shoot and lose my good job)

And yes, I know...the QB's have the upper hand over the business side right now. I dont know a good solution other than capping the percentage. I dont like strictly "prove it" contracts because business will set the bar at Super Bowl when its a team sport even if the QB plays well. Proof...Dak played well his rookie contract and posters still didnt want to pay him after 4 or 5 years of cheap pay.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’m looking at a league wide trend.

I dont hyper focus on the Cowboys like 90% of this board.

It’s not Dak hate to say you can pay non elite QBs and your chances of winning a superbowl tank.

It’s not Dak hate to see that the rookie contract is a big advantage and paying a Dak, Kirk Cousins, or whoever significantly decreases your odds.

With all these paid QBs in the league and yet still 3 of the 4 remaining QBs in the post season we’re on Rookie deals and the other is the best talent the NFL has ever seen at QB in Mahomes.

outside of 3 or 4 teams, everyone pays non-elite QBs. top 15 get paid 30M and more. burrow, jackson, lawrence and herbert coming up for new contracts.

and if you don't pay these non elites. what are you going to do? keep drafting, missing, drafting again, missing, drafting again, missing until you get one and then what are the chances of hitting on a QB to be elite? so you go through this never ending cycle of looking for a QB, trying them for three or 4 years and then moving on, given 80% of QBs drafted in the first round fail in the NFL. and if you find a good one, not to give them a contract? because they are not elite. and according to you if they are not elite, then you have no chance of getting to the superbowl.

not having an Elite QB does diminish your chances....its less, not zero. it takes a good GM to put a good team to get to the big dance. Philly did it. no one will mistake Hurts for an Elite QB.

 

[Flamma]

and good QBs get big second contracts. Davis Mills won't get a top market value contract because he was a starting QB. Zach Wilson won't get a second large contract because he is eligible. Marcus Mariota being a top of the first round pick, didn't get a second large contract. Its based on what the league rates you (not the fans) and what your perceived market value is. so you saying Dak is getting paid close to Elite makes zero sense. its supply and demand of good QBs. its market value of a QB, depending on when he gets the contract (ala Hurts now making more than Mahomes), you may think Dak sucks, you hate him, blah blah blah...your opinion has zero relevance to what the people in the league think. you may call Jerry stupid for giving the contract, but some other team would have. you have zero idea of what people in the NFL think of Dak.

I agree with everything that I didn't quote.

I know it's supply and demand, that's why the usual doesn't apply to quarterbacks. When Dak signed his contract, it was for top market value. If Dak played WR as good as he plays QB, he'd be making Gallup money, not AJ Brown money. And I realize it's because of supply and demand.