CFZ Trent Dilfer and 13 other guys

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Dilfer and Brad Johnson benefitted from epic defenses.

Stafford, when healthy, is a talented QB. He also had a front office willing to bet it all and surround him with the most talent possible.

Eli Manning was a talented QB. A little bit lucky, but still fairly talented.

Nick Foles was a very unique situation.
Stafford with the best team he's had his career lead the league in interceptions....you guys are overhyping the hell out of Matt Stafford because he can throw a pretty spiral lol.
 

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Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were not bad quarterbacks. I guess over time that's changed as we get older but they were not bad quarterbacks they were just guys who leaned on their defense.

There was a year where Matt Stafford had Calvin Johnson and the best defense in the league and they sucked.

And yes Matt Stafford did have garbage yards. I know y'all think Dak invented that phrase but before Dak there was Matt Ryan. And before him it was Matt Stafford. Garbage yards. Eli's career is so Jekyll and Hyde its incredibly hard to gauge what his career was. He had highs and extreme lows.

And if Matt Stafford was considered the "most talented" then its only because he has an arm and people value that. Josh Allen is another one. They hype him up so much over his arm and don't care about his turnovers.
I get where you are coming from and respect the post but we can respectfully agree to disagree. I always thought Stafford was extremely talented, played through injuries..so tough..and just not in a great situation. Heck he got unlucky against us in the playoffs. I also don’t think Eli is great..just not going to discount his SB runs because he either had a great year or great run in both. I still put them above Brad and Trent.

Also I’m not a “y’all” where I hate Dak. I give him props here and say when I think he’s bad. Equal opportunity. I just think we look through the lens differently sometimes on guys.

But I like Allen too :)
 

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If you want to include quarterbacks that have gotten to the Super Bowl the list includes guys like Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and Rex Grossman.

Yet when I say the Cowboys can win a Super Bowl with Dak at QB, I get accused of being a homer.
 

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I get where you are coming from and respect the post but we can respectfully agree to disagree. I always thought Stafford was extremely talented, played through injuries..so tough..and just not in a great situation. Heck he got unlucky against us in the playoffs. I also don’t think Eli is great..just not going to discount his SB runs because he either had a great year or great run in both. I still put them above Brad and Trent.

Also I’m not a “y’all” where I hate Dak. I give him props here and say when I think he’s bad. Equal opportunity. I just think we look through the lens differently sometimes on guys.

But I like Allen too :)
Well let me clarify I am not taking anything away from Eli. He was great on those SB runs. I just don't think he was a great QB. But he made some key throws and stepped up when it matters. I can't take that from him. And I'd take them over Brad and Trent to I'm just saying I don't consider them to be like the Mahomes of the world. Their a step below. Or maybe two.

And I try to look at everyone through the same lens which is why I'm not on the Josh Allen train just yet. The pass he gets is incredible to me. Dak gets flack for leading the league in interceptions but no one mentions Allen led the league in turnovers. Incredibly careless with the football.
 

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If you want to include quarterbacks that have gotten to the Super Bowl the list includes guys like Stan Humphries, Chris Chandler, Kerry Collins, Jake Delhomme, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, and Rex Grossman.

Yet when I say the Cowboys can win a Super Bowl with Dak at QB, I get accused of being a homer.
People want to convince me that Jake Delhomme can make a SB but Dak can't? Crazy....
 

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Mahomes losing in the Super Bowl is not really good evidence he couldn’t carry his team lol. Dude was in the Super Bowl.

Elite QBs and rookie QB contracts are everything.

I do agree that even paying Elite QBs makes it nearly impossible to win but you have to pay those guys.

Paying the non-elite QBs is a recipe to not win a championship.

This past Chiefs team that won a championship imo was not a very good team. They just have Mahomes.
This is basically how the game is today. When any QB given a 2nd contract makes the same money or close to the elite QBs, of course the teams with the elite QBs are going to have the advantage. Or QBs on rookie contracts.

It doesn't mean that you can't win, but paying QBs like Dak, Cousins, and Tannehill similar money to elite QBs puts your team at a disadvantage against teams with better QBs. That's just common sense.

Teams just want to stay relevant, that's why some of these bums are paid big money. If the only goal was winning a championship QBs like Lamar Jackson wouldn't have been offered anything. He couldn't sniff a championship on a rookie deal, what would be the point in paying him 10 times that amount? To kiss his ***?
 

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His Ravens had a great defense...one of the top 5 or so in the SB era. They have a very good running attack. They had a coach who for that season understood what he had and how to use it. And he had Dilfer who listened to the coaches and managed the game like he was told. He never went rogue and tried to the the super hero QB. He filled his role and was a big part of a team that was at the right time/right place and all the parts worked.
These are good points and , this is where Dak is situated right now.
I feel our D is getting to be one of the top ones and can help, if Big Mac manages to make running effective , then Dak has to manage the game mostly and be ready to push the envelope at times , be it with his throws or legs to make some good things happen , we should be getting into playoffs and can be distruptive. Thats all one can hope.
 

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This is basically how the game is today. When any QB given a 2nd contract makes the same money or close to the elite QBs, of course the teams with the elite QBs are going to have the advantage. Or QBs on rookie contracts.

It doesn't mean that you can't win, but paying QBs like Dak, Cousins, and Tannehill similar money to elite QBs puts your team at a disadvantage against teams with better QBs. That's just common sense.

Teams just want to stay relevant, that's why some of these bums are paid big money. If the only goal was winning a championship QBs like Lamar Jackson wouldn't have been offered anything. He couldn't sniff a championship on a rookie deal, what would be the point in paying him 10 times that amount? To kiss his ***?

It’s because coaches and GMs want to keep their job more than anything.

Plus being relevant is great for business.

But winning championships? It’s a proven recipe to lower your chances.

Nobody is going to fire the Jones’s so I don’t see why they didn’t at least let Dak test the Waters.

Especially when they could’ve put the tag on him where if signed a team would have to compensate us. That was a no brainer.
 

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Stafford with the best team he's had his career lead the league in interceptions....you guys are overhyping the hell out of Matt Stafford because he can throw a pretty spiral lol.
Threw 3 TD's in a Super Bowl but sure, "pretty spiral."

52,000 plus career passing yards and 333 TD's.

It's not the same coversation as Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson.
 

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I didn't say that at all.

YOU called it one of the best games of his career.

Don't put words in my mouth just because you said something foolish.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You clearly don't know jack **** about football.

Best offense ever held to 14 measly points... and the opposing QB who put up 17 gets the credit for "one of the best games of his career"??????
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Honestly it’s weird that you don’t realize the lowest common denominator group you belong in man. You literally attack people because you can’t read. I’m honestly thinking of talking to the mods about trolling because there is no way you can be real.

“ Eli’s 2007 SB saw one of the best games of his career and in most historical markers at the end of the season and playoffs.”

It was including his run. Also you are putting it on 17 because you mentioned it again. He had 255 yrds and 2 TDs with 87 pssser vs an undefeated team. 255 is more than just a D. His playoff run that year…as Matt said.. 4 games, 6 TDs to 1 INT, 95.7 rating. He also ended the year on fire.

Go get your shine box and stop using emojis and “you don’t know football.” I don’t take to low level people cussing at me on here to cover for their esteem issues.
 

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This is basically how the game is today. When any QB given a 2nd contract makes the same money or close to the elite QBs, of course the teams with the elite QBs are going to have the advantage. Or QBs on rookie contracts.

It doesn't mean that you can't win, but paying QBs like Dak, Cousins, and Tannehill similar money to elite QBs puts your team at a disadvantage against teams with better QBs. That's just common sense.

Teams just want to stay relevant, that's why some of these bums are paid big money. If the only goal was winning a championship QBs like Lamar Jackson wouldn't have been offered anything. He couldn't sniff a championship on a rookie deal, what would be the point in paying him 10 times that amount? To kiss his ***?
what's this money thing "making close to elite"? what does that non-sense even mean. what should be the pay difference between good QBs and Elite QBs? this is a total non-sense by some fans, created in their minds about how much should a Elite QB make vs. others. total non-sense. the money they make is irrelevant of their abilities relative to each other. there is no tiered salary structure in NFL. its supply/demand driven based on perceived value of the position. the market for elite QBs is high, they rarely rarely rarely rarely rarely rarelyrarelyget let go of their teams as the teams find one and do whatever possible to keep them. usually when they are older and the team is ready to move on, they cut bait or trade.

then there is the rest of the market and again, supply/demand for the position and what it takes to resign a QB. so all this other stuff about getting paid close to an elite is nothing but blah blah blah.

teams make it to the superbowl without Elite QBs (Philly, SF) and they win it as well (Eli, Flacco, Foles, etc.). Eli and Flacco both won on their second contract. Grapolo was on his second contract when he made it to the superbowl.

based on some of you, no team should ever resign a QB if they are not elite, they should all just go into the cycle of wash, rinse repeat. draft, fail, draft again, draft, fail draft again, draft, fail draft again, draft fail draft again and after the 4th or 5th try get lucky, find a Elite QB.... essentially compete for about 5-8 years every 20-25 years....

and lastly, the cap each year is the issue. Hurts is the highest paid, yet his salary the next 4 years is highly manageable that allows the team to sign FA, their own or outside. Dak's contract was less than 10% of salary cap the past two years. our GM sucks. thus we are where we are.
 

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The problem is when you pay the non-elite QB you can’t build a good enough team to carry them which is why you shouldn’t be paying the non elite QB like they are elite.
The problem is if you don’t pay them elite money you’ll be stuck with a castoff and no matter how good a team you build around them you’re not going to win consistently until you finally decide to pay a good QB. Most of the QBs that are getting paid $40 million per or more aren’t elite QBs. Jalen Hurts isn’t an elite QB and he’s being paid over $50 million per. That’s the way QB salaries are today and you have to deal with it. If you owned the Cowboys they would be stuck with a complete scrub at QB. The team would be changing QBs every single season under you.
 

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The problem is if you don’t pay them elite money you’ll be stuck with a castoff and no matter how good a team you build around them you’re not going to win consistently until you finally decide to pay a good QB. Most of the QBs that are getting paid $40 million per or more aren’t elite QBs. Jalen Hurts isn’t an elite QB and he’s being paid over $50 million per. That’s the way QB salaries are today and you have to deal with it. If you owned the Cowboys they would be stuck with a complete scrub at QB. The team would be changing QBs every single season under you.

Salaries are that way because GMs and coaches want to keep their high paying jobs.

It’s clear winning a championship and paying a Dak don’t go together.

There is other motives, mostly business motives, that are why these QBs are getting paid.
 

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Eli Manning played great football in both the 2007 and 2011 seasons

2007 - 4 games, 6 TDs to 1 INT, 95.7 rating
2011 - 4 games, 9 TDs, to 1 INT, 103.3

It wasn't just his defense. The guy just played great football.
That is NOT great play. Excellent. Give me a rating of 120+ and I call THAT great play
 

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Come on. Youre deflecting. It disgusts me when "posters" deflect.

Whos disgust is worse? Lets create a rabbit hole.

So childish
You sound like someone that needs to read up on slavery. Deflecting? How about you learn a few things.
 

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That is NOT great play. Excellent. Give me a rating of 120+ and I call THAT great play
That would be historical to have numbers like that in 4 games. A 95.7 rating in 2007 would be a great rating with that low turnover rate as well.
 

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Salaries are that way because GMs and coaches want to keep their high paying jobs.

It’s clear winning a championship and paying a Dak don’t go together.

There is other motives, mostly business motives, that are why these QBs are getting paid.
You obviously have no idea what’s going on. QB salaries are rising because they’re crucial to winning games. The NFL is a passing league and every teams success revolves around the play of their QB. It’s clear that Dak gives us a chance and a much better chance than some of the other QBs teams are stuck with.
 

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You obviously have no idea what’s going on. QB salaries are rising because they’re crucial to winning games. The NFL is a passing league and every teams success revolves around the play of their QB. It’s clear that Dak gives us a chance and a much better chance than some of the other QBs teams are stuck with.
Lol ok bud. Whatever makes you feel better about overpaying a QB that needs a team to carry him.

Dak doesn’t give us a chance. He’s not the problem though I admit. His contract is.

Sad though that he was our biggest advantage in the post season and gave the game away to the last pick in the draft who was a rookie.
 
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