Trey Lance was traded for a 4th, Dak was drafted in the 4th

[ghst187]

Trey Lance was graded as a 1st round talent by the organization that knows QBs,

Dak would've never been drafted if he wasn't a duel threat in college.

Weren’t Jamarcus Russel, Paxton Lynch, Josh Rosen, Sam Bradford, Baker Mayfield, Carson Wentz, and Ryan Leif also?
They make a lot of mistakes, which is why the draft is so interesting to the casual fans.
There are far more QB busts than hits in the top first round, over drafted by people paid big money to be experts on drafting QBs.

I’m no Dak homer, but IMO he dropped because there was apprehension caused by overdrafting of Tim Tebow, a similar style of play in the same conference. Post Tebow, there was aversion to running QBs, or no way Lamar is a fringe second round pick. Dak has issues for sure, but if Dak’s draft was today even knowing what we know now, he’d still go in the first as for all his faults as he’s still better than half the current starters. If we let him run more, his results would be a lot better than they are.

I think Trey Lance is one of those colossal busts. I certainly think Shanny is one of the better OCs in the league running an offense a sixth rounder could pick up and run well on day 1, and if he doesn’t think Lance has upside enough to beat out Sam Darnold, that’s all I need to know.
In addition, you rarely, if ever, see a running QB get back to what they were after a major leg injury, which Lance already has. The pure passing I’ve seen him do so far, was less than satisfactory. Hard to fathom him blossoming into some kind of stolen gem at this point.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Weren’t Jamarcus Russel, Paxton Lynch, Josh Rosen, Sam Bradford, Baker Mayfield, Carson Wentz, and Ryan Leif also?
They make a lot of mistakes, which is why the draft is so interesting to the casual fans.
There are far more QB busts than hits in the top first round, over drafted by people paid big money to be experts on drafting QBs.

I’m no Dak homer, but IMO he dropped because there was apprehension caused by overdrafting of Tim Tebow, a similar style of play in the same conference. Post Tebow, there was aversion to running QBs, or no way Lamar is a fringe second round pick. Dak has issues for sure, but if Dak’s draft was today even knowing what we know now, he’d still go in the first as for all his faults as he’s still better than half the current starters. If we let him run more, his results would be a lot better than they are.

I think Trey Lance is one of those colossal busts. I certainly think Shanny is one of the better OCs in the league running an offense a sixth rounder could pick up and run well on day 1, and if he doesn’t think Lance has upside enough to beat out Sam Darnold, that’s all I need to know.
In addition, you rarely, if ever, see a running QB get back to what they were after a major leg injury, which Lance already has. The pure passing I’ve seen him do so far, was less than satisfactory. Hard to fathom him blossoming into some kind of stolen gem at this point.

If you have to say "I'm no Dak homer" you're a Dak homer.

 

[NotForLong]

The odds of Trey Lance having the same success Dak has had is extremely slim and none. When Dak got his opportunity he made the most of it. Lance was given two opportunities in San Francisco. With his first opportunity, he didn’t look that great and ended up getting injured. With his second opportunity, he ended up the 49ers third QB, which resulted in him being traded.

If Try Lance played on that 2016 team He would have had the same results that year. The Offensive Line was the greatest assembled

 

[acr731]

You're satisfied with a loser?

I remember when Cowboys fans had pride and expected better.

Ha! Those days are long gone. Now all people want to talk about are stats and regular season records.

 

[Adreme]

You're satisfied with a loser?

I remember when Cowboys fans had pride and expected better.

Is Zack Martin a loser? I suppose Tyron Smith must be in your eyes. Frederick of course had to have been. I guess Diggs and Parsons are young enough to get a pass from you for now but DLaw must also be a loser in your eyes?

 

[KJJ]

Yep! I look at Trey Lance as someone else's trash. If he was any good Shanahan never would have let him go. I think Darnold is someone that Dallas should have brought in to compete with Dak. He showed in Carolina he had some good ability but he's always been on bad teams. Jerry got fleeced trading a 4th for Lance.

Sam Darnold has been trash for two different teams. I would rather have Trey Lance than Darnold. Darnold is what he and isn’t going to get any better. Lance has only played 4 NFL games and there’s still a chance he could improve and develop into a solid QB. The jury is still out on him. You’re not going to convince any knowledgeable fan that Darnold is the answer. If he was the answer, Carolina would’ve kept him and not traded the farm for Bryce Young. Darnold couldn’t even beat out Purdy. Give me Lance and his potential for improvement any day over Darnold.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Is Zack Martin a loser? I suppose Tyron Smith must be in your eyes. Frederick of course had to have been. I guess Diggs and Parsons are young enough to get a pass from you for now but DLaw must also be a loser in your eyes?

What have they won?

 

[KJJ]

By many accounts....Tony was a better QB than Dak. For the sake of discussion, let's say that is true. Jerry admitted he's staying with Dak because "you don't mess with a streak"...not because Dak was so much better.

It could be the same thing happened in San Fran?

The same thing didn’t happen in San Francisco, because Trey Lance was given an opportunity this past summer to beat out Brock Purdy. Romo was never given the opportunity to beat out Dak because of his injury history. The Cowboys were looking to try and replace him because his body was breaking down. The 49ers traded the farm for Trey Lance. They saw him as their future. However, he got injured when he got his big opportunity. He didn’t look very good prior to the injury and he obviously didn’t look good in training camp this past summer because he couldn’t even beat out Darnold for the backup job.

 

[plasticman]

Which has always bothered me. Dak and Romo before him never won anything of significance to get untouchable status. Both have never made a championship game, yet neither one was challenged. When Romo was named starter they never drafted a QB high, even when he started to break down on a regular basis. When Dak became the full time starter (which again wasn’t the plan if you know the history) he was never challenged with a high (2nd round or early 3rd QB). Why?

What makes me upset is the Patriots drafted Jimmy G in the second with Brady having been to four super bowls and having won three of them. He was unfazed and continued to produce at a high level. That’s a winning franchise along with a winning player. But somehow, drafting a QB will upset the current QB. Daks is a solid above average player. But I could care less if he gets upset. Drafting a QB means that we are looking to get better and if he doesn’t perform up to a certain standard we as a franchise have a contingency plan in place.

If he is concerned about losing his job to a guy he has 7-8 year head start on, then is he really the guy to get the team to a Super Bowl ? I think he can be, but I would like some pressure put on him and not simply the Jones playing games with his contract (a battle which they lost in the end)

The Patriots drafted 12 quarterbacks from 2000 to 2023 despite having the GOAT as their starting quarterback. The 49ers drafted 13 during the same time period including a #1 and #3 overall. The Eagles drafted 10 quarterbacks including a 1st rounder #2 overall as well as two #2 picks and a #3.

During the same time period, 2000-2023, the Cowboys drafted a total of 6 and only one was a 3rd rounder or higher. The Cowboys would find a quarterback, back him up with a day #3 pick or marginal veteran free agent and call it a day. Occasionally they would sign some underperforming veteran. They never seriously attempted to offer any type of real competition to their starter.

Landry always had two players capable of starting at QB. the starters, including Roger Staubach, were constantly looking over their shoulders and it made them better.

Jimmy Johnson drafts the #1 overall pick. What is one of his next moves? He drafts another QB in the supplemental draft. Even Aikman had to compete.

 

[Adreme]

What have they won?

So just to make sure I understand your position, future HoF Zack Martin, and future HoF Tyron Smith are actually losers who the Cowboys should want to replace, and should have wanted to replace years ago, and are in fact inferior to whoever the starter was for the past few champions (who spoiler were not in their league)? Therefore trading Zack Martin straight up for Trey Smith 2 years ago would have been a net win for the Cowboys because as we have seen Trey Smith (starting RG for the Chiefs in the SB) is a "winner" and Zack Martin is a "loser"?

 

[KJJ]

If Try Lance played on that 2016 team He would have had the same results that year. The Offensive Line was the greatest assembled

Trey Lance was playing for an even better San Francisco team last season. They reached the NFC championship game, while the 2016 Cowboys went one and done. No way would Lance have had the same success Dak had in 2016. Dak had one of the best rookie seasons ever for a QB. He was very efficient and had some great games for us. He went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers on the road and against Ben Roethlisberger on the road. He had three TD passes against Green Bay at Lambeau and finished the season with 104.9 passer rating. If you think that was all because of his OL and any QB would’ve had the same success you’re kidding yourself.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Sam Darnold has been trash for two different teams. I would rather have Trey Lance than Darnold. Darnold is what he and isn’t going to get any better. Lance has only played 4 NFL games and there’s still a chance he could improve and develop into a solid QB. The jury is still out on him. You’re not going to convince any knowledgeable fan that Darnold is the answer. If he was the answer, Carolina would’ve kept him and not traded the farm for Bryce Young. Darnold couldn’t even beat out Purdy. Give me Lance and his potential for improvement any day over Darnold.

 

[Captain-Crash]

It's weird how it seems like ya'll hope Lance fails.

sort a like when Rush was winning and they were hating every minute of it.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

So just to make sure I understand your position, future HoF Zack Martin, and future HoF Tyron Smith are actually losers who the Cowboys should want to replace, and should have wanted to replace years ago, and are in fact inferior to whoever the starter was for the past few champions (who spoiler were not in their league)? Therefore trading Zack Martin straight up for Trey Smith 2 years ago would have been a net win for the Cowboys because as we have seen Trey Smith (starting RG for the Chiefs in the SB) is a "winner" and Zack Martin is a "loser"?

I want to know what they "winners" have won.

That's all.

 

[NotForLong]

Trey Lance was playing for an even better San Francisco team last season. They reached the NFC championship game, while the 2016 Cowboys went one and done. No way would Lance have had the same success Dak had in 2016. Dak had one of the best rookie seasons ever for a QB. He was very efficient and had some great games for us. He went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers on the road and against Ben Roethlisberger on the road. He had three TD passes against Green Bay at Lambeau and finished the season with 104.9 passer rating. If you think that was all because of his OL and any QB would’ve had the same success you’re kidding yourself.

I have no idea how you judge that team. That teams identity was the O Line. Did they have a defense at the level of San Fran's Last year? No, that is not my point. I stated that Trey would have the sme results as Dak

The Cowboys drafted a RB #4 overall to compliment that Ultimate Weapon (O-Line) Dak wasn't Great His Rookie Year. The team went on a winning streak . . . He didn't have a lot of passing TDs and he padded His stats by stealing Zeke's Goal Line Rushing TDs.

You spew stats out of your mouth about the Packers game as if you were proud . . . If Romo starts that game we win. . . .We would have scored every drive. Green Bay had 3 DBs out and were picking up people off the streets

Trey would have got us to the playoffs riding Zeke and that O -Line. . . Maybe he wins a game in the playoffs or maybe he loses but worse case scenario would have been what Dak accomplished

 

[KJJ]

I have no idea how you judge that team. That teams identity was the O Line. Did they have a defense at the level of San Fran's Last year? No, that is not my point. I stated that Trey would have the sme results as Dak

The Cowboys drafted a RB #4 overall to compliment that Ultimate Weapon (O-Line) Dak wasn't Great His Rookie Year. The team went on a winning streak . . . He didn't have a lot of passing TDs and he padded His stats by stealing Zeke's Goal Line Rushing TDs.

You spew stats out of your mouth about the Packers game as if you were proud . . . If Romo starts that game we win. . . .We would have scored every drive. Green Bay had 3 DBs out and were picking up people off the streets

Trey would have got us to the playoffs riding Zeke and that O -Line. . . Maybe he wins a game in the playoffs or maybe he loses but worse case scenario would have been what Dak accomplished

It’s silly to waste time arguing it. No one knows what would’ve happened but it’s pretty obvious Trey Lance isn’t the QB Dak is. He’s been a bust. It’s just about game time so I’m moving on.

 

[NotForLong]

The Patriots drafted 12 quarterbacks from 2000 to 2023 despite having the GOAT as their starting quarterback. The 49ers drafted 13 during the same time period including a #1 and #3 overall. The Eagles drafted 10 quarterbacks including a 1st rounder #2 overall as well as two #2 picks and a #3.

During the same time period, 2000-2023, the Cowboys drafted a total of 6 and only one was a 3rd rounder or higher. The Cowboys would find a quarterback, back him up with a day #3 pick or marginal veteran free agent and call it a day. Occasionally they would sign some underperforming veteran. They never seriously attempted to offer any type of real competition to their starter.

Landry always had two players capable of starting at QB. the starters, including Roger Staubach, were constantly looking over their shoulders and it made them better.

Jimmy Johnson drafts the #1 overall pick. What is one of his next moves? He drafts another QB in the supplemental draft. Even Aikman had to compete.

in 2016 Romo was shut down and not given an opportunity to compete . . Very strange indeed

(Side Note: In practice Rico Gathers was becoming a legend working with Room on scout team. They were embarrassing the 1st team . . . With Dak, Rico is out of the league and fans who saw Rico's potential are still ridiculed on this site)

Amazing

 

[ghst187]

If you have to say "I'm no Dak homer" you're a Dak homer.

Not true, but anyone who says a word that isn’t bashing him gets called a homer here hence the caveat. The people who are in between on him have a hard time having a rational discussion about him because of all the extremists.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We know you hate Rush for winning and hope Lance fails.

You don't have to constantly remind us, Dak fan.

On the contrary. I do t hate rush. I just don't have my head up his butt admiring everything you see.

Eagle fan...

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

On the contrary. I do t hate rush. I just don't have my head up his butt admiring everything you see.

Eagle fan...

How could you when it's firmly up Dak's?