Troy Aikman: 'Unless practices change,' Cowboys may not win a title in another 20 years either

[JoeKing]

I've read a few of your posts in this thread. I'm puzzled if this is a bit or not?
It's been a while since I've seen anyone defend Jerruh.

If you expect an apology for my candor then don't waste either of our time. As the Owner/GM the buck stops with Jerry and so does the ultimate blame for all that goes wrong. But in a very real sense, the blame can be pin pointed to more specific/direct real reasons for the failure of the 2015 season. The injury of key personnel can not be just dismissed... that's not Jerry's fault. It's football.

 

[Dodger12]

Being a jerk doesn't make your point, it only makes you a jerk. I encourage you to engage in civil discourse or disengage. If Troy thinks the "Executive of the Year" is doing something wrong then maybe he could be more specific.



Your insincere platitudes are not appreciated. Try making real points and less personal attacks next time.

Maybe I'll appreciate Troy's opinion over a fan who thinks the team is run the same way today as it was when Jerry entered the NFL from the oil fields.

But you know what I'd really appreciate from you and other like minded fans? A little consistency and intellectual integrity.

Parcells was a POS wind bag. Look at the list of his accomplishments for Dallas... he did nothing.

Of course, Parcells was the Executive of the Year in 2008 but it didn't seem to sway your opinion that he was a "POS." And I can tell you that the team was run different when he was here simply by listening to Jerry talk about "walking on eggshells."

So if you want to say something that is considered universally silly by most fans with an ounce of knowledge about the organization, then expect to get called on it.

Either way, I'll assume that you'll quickly change your opinion on Parcells seeing that he was also a fellow Executive of the Year because that seems to be a prestigious award for you. Stay consistent at least. And there's no "thank you" needed for me helping you to see the light.

 

[JoeKing]

Maybe I'll appreciate Troy's opinion over a fan who thinks the team is run the same way today as it was when Jerry entered the NFL from the oil fields.

My point from my very first post in this thread is times have changed since the times that Troy played in. I don't know where you get this stuff. Jerry adapts to the times but he is obviously moving in the right direction because his performance is winning him league awards.

But you know what I'd really appreciate from you and other like minded fans? A little consistency and intellectual integrity.

There you go taking it personal again. You just can't help yourself, can you?

Of course, Parcells was the Executive of the Year in 2008 but it didn't seem to sway your opinion that he was a "POS." And I can tell you that the team was run different when he was here simply by listening to Jerry talk about "walking on eggshells."

Parcells won that award 8 years ago and like the POS that he is he failed to adapt with the times.

So if you want to say something that is considered universally silly by most fans with an ounce of knowledge about the organization, then expect to get called on it.

There you go appointing yourself the spokes person for most fans on what is considered universally silly... how presumptively self import of you.

Either way, I'll assume that you'll quickly change your opinion on Parcells seeing that he was also a fellow Executive of the Year because that seems to be a prestigious award for you. Stay consistent at least. And there's no "thank you" needed for me helping you to see the light.

There you go assuming and making an assof you notme. My opinion of Parcells has been rock solid since the day he left Dallas. You need not worry about that.

 

[Galian Beast]

This team still has no identity.

Garrett is so vanilla and cookie cutter trying to emulate the 90s, he doesn't realize that was 20 years ago. He has no coaching experience and is a disaster of a head coach.

 

[Dodger12]

My point from my very first post in this thread is times have changed since the times that Troy played in.

No....say it isn't so. That's a hell of a point you're making there and I can appreciate the analysis and all the thought process you used to come to that conclusion. Bravo.

Jerry adapts to the times but he is obviously moving in the right direction because his performance is winning him league awards.

Winning playoff games and SB's would be nice but that's just me. And now sure what he's adapted to over the last 20 years because we're .500 but hey, why bother with trivial facts when we have awards.

Keep trolling........

 

[NumOneQB]

If you expect an apology for my candor then don't waste either of our time. As the Owner/GM the buck stops with Jerry and so does the ultimate blame for all that goes wrong. But in a very real sense, the blame can be pin pointed to more specific/direct real reasons for the failure of the 2015 season. The injury of key personnel can not be just dismissed... that's not Jerry's fault. It's football.

How did you come away with me asking for an apology???? Your posts are a bit over the top, thus why I couldn't make out your tone. Injuries are part of the game, no doubt. Going 1-11 in that time frame should be attributed to more than "it's just football".

 

[JoeKing]

How did you come away with me asking for an apology???? Your posts are a bit over the top, thus why I couldn't make out your tone. Injuries are part of the game, no doubt. Going 1-11 in that time frame should be attributed to more than "it's just football".

Your apology is accepted. Glad we can now see eye to eye. Glad you agreed to join me in civil discourse....

oh wait, never mind.

 

[NumOneQB]

Your apology is accepted. Glad we can now see eye to eye. Glad you agreed to join me in civil discourse....

oh wait, never mind.

I've skimmed these boards for years and haven't come across a bit like yours, yet. Bravo (slow claps).

 

[JoeKing]

I've skimmed these boards for years and haven't come across a bit like yours, yet. Bravo (slow claps).

I think that was a compliment... (takes a bow)

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I hate the offseason.

 

[Floatyworm]

How did you hear this, was he commentating about the way the practices were being run somewhere?

Watch the 1st North practice.....It's a pretty quick clip. But you can lip read what he said....and you can tell who his comments are directed too.....it's pretty funny.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I think the point Troy is trying to make is that things cannot continue the way they have been going if you want success in this league. What we have tried has not worked, point blank.

There is no gray area here, we have won 2 playoff games in 20 years........that is a fact.

So if you want that to change, you have to change the way you have done business. Maybe part of that is now addressing the QB situation. Jerry has said that he never wanted to devote a lot of resources to the position, as evident of the team only drafting mid round QBs like McGee and signing undrafted QBs like Vaugh and Showers. Maybe that changes this year with a QB drafted in the top 5.

That is the point Troy is making, that you cannot do the same thing over and over again and expect different results.....maybe that is changing this year.

 

[cml750]

Unfortunately Jerry is not going anywhere. If we have any success, it will be in spite of him. His insistence to hire mediocre coaches except when he needs a stadium is absolutely ridiculous. Since he hires mediocre coaches, it causes him to meddle even more tinkering with coordinators and taking responsibilities away from the head coach. I am convinced he would rather lose and feel comfortable than win if it means he has to cede any power to a real coach. I believe this is what Troy was referring to.

 

[CCBoy]

Unfortunately Jerry is not going anywhere. If we have any success, it will be in spite of him. His insistence to hire mediocre coaches except when he needs a stadium is absolutely ridiculous. Since he hires mediocre coaches, it causes him to meddle even more tinkering with coordinators and taking responsibilities away from the head coach. I am convinced he would rather lose and feel comfortable than win if it means he has to cede any power to a real coach. I believe this is what Troy was referring to.

The rant board is in another place. Self analysis is located on yet another board...why bother to go through a Jerry tar and feather episode? Build on what is, or go to what should become. Then when looking back, following next season, see how on target one was.

 

[cowboyblue22]

for the most part the ineptitude of this season pretty much represents the last 20 years in full. As far a bling jerry is right on target as far as substance and building a real football team it couldn't be farther from the truth.If he really wanted to win he would fire the gm and the coaches and hire a real nfl gm and coaching staff so as long as he is present doing what he is doing get used to what the last 20 years has brought.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Troy Aikman talking crap about the Cowboys? What else is new.

Smart guy. He knows his football. How could anyone look at the Cowboys over the last 20 years or even watch the decision they make year in and year out and be excited. You cant blame Aikman. For a guy with such high standards he must cringe more than the rest of us.

 

[CowboyRoy]

And of course...he can never describe in any detail what is going on in practice.

I can tell you that I spoke to one of Troy's former teammates a few years ago and that's what he used to sell me *on* Garrett. His style of practicing was far better than Wade's according to this player.

It's also funny that 'you are what you are' when you have a poor record, but when you go 12-4 you're 'really an 8-8 team.'

Go figure.

And no...injuries can't be blamed for going 4-12. You're only in a QB driven league and a passing game league and you lose your star QB and star WR for the year. Nah, can't be a problem at all. Must be about practice.






YR

He isnt talking about practice as in during the week or off season. He is talking about the practices of the organization. AS in the way they run the team.

-Draft
-FA
-coaches they hire
-accountability in the organization
-having a plan
-the resort atmosphere in Dallas

ect.....ect......

 

[CowboyRoy]

They've been drafting high for the trenches the last few years. So there is that.

Their drafting has been better of late, but they always make monumental blunders that even the most casual of fans can see coming.

-Not drafting or developing Romo's replacement (poor backup QB)
-Not drafting or replacing Murray properly.

These two monumental mistakes alone killed this season. You can make mistakes, but you cant make the huge ones. The season killers.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Tom Landry said it best:

"Setting a goal is not the main thing. It is deciding how you will go about acheiving it and staying with that plan."

....Staying with that plan. That's the Cowboys problem. No matter how well its implemented, its just a matter of time before Jerry Jones reacts to a specific circumstance and deviates from the plan, thus weakening it and eventually destroying it.

The "right kind if guys"....Greg Hardy?

"Obtaining proper value in the draft"...Morris Claiborne?

And when he should deviate from his "plan" for obvious reasons he doesnt do it. Like getting rid of Garrett

 

[Stash]

Smart guy. He knows his football. How could anyone look at the Cowboys over the last 20 years or even watch the decision they make year in and year out and be excited. You cant blame Aikman. For a guy with such high standards he must cringe more than the rest of us.

I think it speaks to how bad things are with some fans when they'll attack Troy Aikman for saying anything negative about 'their Cowboys'. Not much lower fans can go after that.