Troy, Babe Talk about Changes In Offense

[GINeric]

you are correct , many overpaid QBs out there. and this argument is 3 years late anyway . dak has been signed and we know the cowboys have not advanced to the CCG or the SB. My point is that there were other much cheaper and BETTER options than Dak at QB. Heck, brady was available at 26 million when he left the Patriots. The Bucs got a SB ring and more . The rams made moves and got stafford at 22 milllion or so and won a SB with him . The eagles got to the SB last year with a QB in the second round who earned 2 million a year. Etc etc. All the while the cowboys were and still are all in on Dak , even after 8 years of mediocrity.

I agree with everything you said until you mentioned Stafford. Stafford led the league in interceptions the year the Rams won the Superbowl.

With that said, there are 15 other quarterbacks who would have won with the Rams that year because they had a great team and great coaching.

They won the Superbowl INSPITE of Stafford. Stafford didn't win his first playoff game until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL.

 

[T-RO]

I agree with everything you said until you mentioned Stafford. Stafford led the league in interceptions the year the Rams won the Superbowl.

With that said, there are 15 other quarterbacks who would have won with the Rams that year because they had a great team and great coaching.

They won the Superbowl INSPITE of Stafford. Stafford didn't win his first playoff game until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL.

A bit overstated, but pretty true.

 

[USArmyVet]

Washington? Ah yes, the Commander Game. Hey here's an idea for the kids bored at home. Lets look at a meaningless game, when few players are suiting up, and fewer still are trying...And build our own conclusions!

Then let's finger paint how it made us feel.

The whole Dallas team was playing in that game.

 

[USArmyVet]

Or could this be another failed attempt to have a bash Dak thread. It was tried yesterday, and again today?

Free speech and free opinion allow for such discussion and thoughts, no?

 

[USArmyVet]

Not my fault you have been busted as a complete liar. Should I post it again?

@jazzcat22

Just curious but how is it allowed for a member to call a Mod a "complete liar" and not face punishment while others are punished for lesser offenses.

 

[USArmyVet]

Dallas = 24 wins the past two seasons.

How many teams better than that?

1-2 playoff record as a result so how can one celebrate 24 wins when it does not transfer to the playoffs? The Giants are 1-1 the last 2 seasons in the playoffs (only made playoffs in 2022) yet they are 13-20-1 in the regular season the last 2 seasons.

 

[jazzcat22]

Free speech and free opinion allow for such discussion and thoughts, no?

Was I not doing that? Free speech and free opinion and discussion and thoughts, no?

 

[basel90]

I agree with everything you said until you mentioned Stafford. Stafford led the league in interceptions the year the Rams won the Superbowl.

With that said, there are 15 other quarterbacks who would have won with the Rams that year because they had a great team and great coaching.

They won the Superbowl INSPITE of Stafford. Stafford didn't win his first playoff game until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL.

Stafford was not perfect but he threw 41 Tds to 17 interceptions and a rating of 103. ( Dak had a rating of 104 but arguably a weaker schedule ) if you watch the final drive in the super bowl, stafford was clutch and made big time throws at the most important moments. something that dak has not done. Not to mention stafford cost roughly half what dak cost in 2021. The bottom line, there were other options that the cowboys did not pursue as they committed to dak long term.

 

[GINeric]

Stafford was not perfect but he threw 41 Tds to 17 interceptions and a rating of 103. ( Dak had a rating of 104 but arguably a weaker schedule ) if you watch the final drive in the super bowl, stafford was clutch and made big time throws at the most important moments. something that dak has not done. Not to mention stafford cost roughly half what dak cost in 2021. The bottom line, there were other options that the cowboys did not pursue as they committed to dak long term.

Like I said... Dak and 14 other quarterbacks would have had the same success with THAT Rams team and coaching that year.

Stafford didn't win any playoff games until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL. I was told by many Dak critics here that good quarterbacks elevate the talent around them. Stafford didn't do that his whole career until he went to a Rams team who would have won with many other quarterbacks.

 

[khiladi]

Babe Laufenberg on 105.3:

(sorry, but quoting T-RO failed on this)

Has anyone on the team or even an analyst anywhere, tried to explain this wild swing in performance?
For that matter, add to the analysis the previous week debacle against WAS.

What was going on in those weeks determines Dak's future, IMO.

Tampa Bay was complete garbage hobbling into the play-offs.

 

[khiladi]

The predictability is that the OC had to call run when Dak is under center, otherwise he’s just doing a quick drop back pass. He can’t throw consistently from under the center, from a traditional 3-5-7 step drop.

 

[khiladi]

Like I said... Dak and 14 other quarterbacks would have had the same success with THAT Rams team and coaching that year.

Stafford didn't win any playoff games until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL. I was told by many Dak critics here that good quarterbacks elevate the talent around them. Stafford didn't do that his whole career until he went to a Rams team who would have won with many other quarterbacks.

LOL, not with that running game. The Rams rushed for a total of less than 50 yards. Dak would have floundered around like a fish out of water in those circumstances.

 

[basel90]

Like I said... Dak and 14 other quarterbacks would have had the same success with THAT Rams team and coaching that year.

Stafford didn't win any playoff games until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL. I was told by many Dak critics here that good quarterbacks elevate the talent around them. Stafford didn't do that his whole career until he went to a Rams team who would have won with many other quarterbacks.

that is all true , but the lions never had the talent the cowboys , especially during dak's early years offensively

 

[GINeric]

that is all true , but the lions never had the talent the cowboys , especially during dak's early years offensively

Again.... we can't use that excuse. A good quarterback elevates the talent around him. This is what is said about Dak, so that applies to other quarterbacks as well. Stafford was even drafted in the 1st round, so Stafford should have been able to elevate those players around him.


Now let's take a look at the Rams when Stafford got there. Name me one receiving corp, creative offensive coordinator, head coach and defense that Dak had that was better than what Stafford inherited in Los Angeles??

 

[GINeric]

that is all true , but the lions never had the talent the cowboys , especially during dak's early years offensively

That's not an excuse according to how many here view the quarterback position. Stafford was a 1st round draft pick. Again, they said very good quarterbacks should be able to elevate the talent around them.

Dak is a 4th round drafted quarterback and is held to that standard, so this should surely be expected of a 1st round quarterback.

 

[basel90]

Again.... we can't use that excuse. A good quarterback elevates the talent around him. This is what is said about Dak, so that applies to other quarterbacks as well. Stafford was even drafted in the 1st round, so Stafford should have been able to elevate those players around him.


Now let's take a look at the Rams when Stafford got there. Name me one receiving corp, creative offensive coordinator, head coach and defense that Dak had that was better than what Stafford inherited in Los Angeles??

if you mean that same year in 2021 , dallas had amari and Cee Dee at receiver , and a probably better running game than the rams, the coaching is another matter of course.

 

[jnday]

It seems to me like Aikman suspects that MM is feeling the pressure of losing to San Francisco in the playoffs and blames it on Dak for the team's problems that ails the team. To be sure, it's hard to read MM's mind. He makes a fair point that it remains to be seen who's at fault and who's not. Could that business of meeting with Dak to correct him over his interceptions be an attempt to fend off the blame to Dak? It's hard to say with any positive conviction, it seems to me. Perhaps the season to come might cast a better focus on that possibility.

Dak has crumbled in big games against the better teams. MM is feeling enough heat to work with him on a one-on-one level. If Dak is ever going to improve in these games, MM knows it better happen soon or he will be looking for a job.

 

[jnday]

That's not an excuse according to how many here view the quarterback position. Stafford was a 1st round draft pick. Again, they said very good quarterbacks should be able to elevate the talent around them.

Dak is a 4th round drafted quarterback and is held to that standard, so this should surely be expected of a 1st round quarterback.

Draft position should not have any effect on how Dak plays in the NFL. The team around him has made him look better than he really is and the team has elevated his play instead of him elevating the team. The team even made Rush look good. I will say that the team rallied around Rush in a way that I have never seen them rally around Dak.

 

[GINeric]

Draft position should not have any effect on how Dak plays in the NFL. The team around him has made him look better than he really is and the team has elevated his play instead of him elevating the team. The team even made Rush look good. I will say that the team rallied around Rush in a way that I have never seen them rally around Dak.

So how do we determine who makes the team look good and who's team make them look good? Is there a link with who carries a team and who doesn't??

Marino, Moon, and Cunningham didn't have Superbowl rings either... so I guess Foles, Stafford and Dilpher are better than these ringless quarterbacks I've mentioned.

Do we go by overall team success???

For instance.... Aaron Rodgers has one Superbowl ring. So does Trent Dilpher, Nick Foles and Matt Stafford. So is it safe to say all of them are on the same skill level as Rodgers??? How can you prove which of these quarterbacks carried or were carried???

Last I checked, success required the whole team to play for each other. No one quarterback can do it alone. That's why it's called a TEAM game.

 

[Bullflop]

Dak has crumbled in big games against the better teams. MM is feeling enough heat to work with him on a one-on-one level. If Dak is ever going to improve in these games, MM knows it better happen soon or he will be looking for a job.

I don't doubt that MM is feeling a world of pressure from the FO to turn the fortunes of this team around in 2023. With that being the case, he's perfectly willing to pressure Dak into putting forth better performances. There's no doubt that MM's job is on the line this year. There's plenty of pressure to go around for everyone. Evidently, Jerry and Stephen won't be hesitant to make that happen. They're not willing to take the blame if they can avoid it.