Trying not to overreact, but here's the next Cowboys HC

Dalmations202

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Funny thing to me is that people still think that if a coach is good at one thing, then he must be promotable and will be great at the next.
This is why most new coaches fail.

Head coach's job is to motivate and to discipline. Wade Phillips was great at motivation, but not so good at the discipline part, or he would still be here. Jimmy Johnson wasn't known for his offensive or defensive mind (although he was good), but was known for his ability to motivate and discipline. Jerry has forgotten this.
Offensive and Defensive Coordinators should be excellent at seeing what the other teams do, and improvising a game plan that utilizes the strengths of your players to get the better of the other teams players. Wade Phillips was a great DC, and his players liked him and usually excelled under him, but that didn't make him a great head coach.
Position coaches are the ones that teach form, style, and the "how to's". Al Harris is a excellent position coach. That doesn't mean he will be a good coordinator nor head coach, it also doesn't preclude him from being a great one of either of those.

So with this said, taking any young new innovative coach -- may fail if they don't understand how to be a motivator and disciplinarian. The question is can you bring in a coach that is a great motivator and disciplinarian, and them bring in young and innovative coordinators and position coaches that will utilize the strengths of the majority of the team you already have. I get that you may need to change a few out, but you can't change them all very quickly. Also, can you get the young, innovative mind here, without making him the head coach as they are all competitive and want to make the most $$$$ they can. If Jerry keeps bring in retreads, he will get the same thing he has gotten for the last 30 years -- there are too many books written on how to beat the older systems. If he goes young, but misses on the motivation and discipline, then they will walk all over the coach, and you will never get the "heart" out of the team when needed. How does Jerry get past his own ego, to hire some people like this?

PS: Dallas got destroyed last week because there are just too many books written on how to beat Zimmers d. People have been devising plans for years, and let's face it, people both know and understand what the reads are and the keys. Don't get me wrong, it takes the personnel to do it, but even the great Tom Landry stopped dominating when enough of his coaches and players were on other teams and knew what/where his keys were located.
 

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Simple, if its your career and you want it in your hands, you stay out of Dallas. If you want to be a winner, you get out of Dallas. Do not come to Dallas if those are your goals. JJ has made it known, hes not looking to win the SB and he wants complete control of his money, err team. So the question, money or a long career that you decide on.
Sorry, I don't see the point you're trying to make. Quinn has been with the Cowboys since 2021. He wasn't looking at coming to Dallas.

Secondly, if he thought being Dallas HC would be a career killer, he could say no.
At the same time having several teams bid for his services is to his advantage.

The overall point is still that Quinn left knowing he would be the next HC when BigMac was let go (expected to be this year).

What are the possibilities?

First, Booger wouldn't assure him the HC position.
Second, Booger wouldn't commit to dismissing Big Mac.

Anything else?
 

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Klint Kubiak.

I’ve had a large enough sample size of the Prescott/McCarthy combo to know it’s never going to work. McCarthy’s WCO is outdated and not a good fit for Prescott, and we’re committed to Dak for the next 3-4 years whether we like it or not. Is Dak a part of the problem? Absolutely, but he’s going to be here.

We need a young, innovative offensive mind from the Shanahan tree to come in and run this offense. The running scheme needs to be completely rewired and the coach needs to get the best out of Prescott.
And none of this matters at all so long as Jerrah and his poison culture remains in place.
 

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Idk why it would be Kubiak over the other choices.

Kubiak
Ben Johnson
Bobby Slowik
Shane Waldron

Of the 4, Kubiak is probably the least qualified.
 

KJJ

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Whoever the next HC is they’ll be just another Jerry Jones yes man. Nothing will change and it hasn’t. For anything to change the Joneses have to change.
 

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people are now enamoured with shanahan tree, because we got arse whooped. in the meantime shanahan just lost a game to undermanned Vikings.

put kamara on this team and you will see a different team. put zeke on the saints and they won't look as good. the personnel matter.
This RB group is just junk time,,,,,collect a paycheck.
 

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Sorry, I don't see the point you're trying to make. Quinn has been with the Cowboys since 2021. He wasn't looking at coming to Dallas.

Secondly, if he thought being Dallas HC would be a career killer, he could say no.
At the same time having several teams bid for his services is to his advantage.

The overall point is still that Quinn left knowing he would be the next HC when BigMac was let go (expected to be this year).

What are the possibilities?

First, Booger wouldn't assure him the HC position.
Second, Booger wouldn't commit to dismissing Big Mac.

Anything else?
you missed my point?

How many Lombardis did Quinn hoist in Dallas? What did he do immediately when the contract was over?

Who KNOWS for sure if he was to be the next HC, not opinion, fact?

ok. Sorry you missed the glaring obvious.
 

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Klint Kubiak.

I’ve had a large enough sample size of the Prescott/McCarthy combo to know it’s never going to work. McCarthy’s WCO is outdated and not a good fit for Prescott, and we’re committed to Dak for the next 3-4 years whether we like it or not. Is Dak a part of the problem? Absolutely, but he’s going to be here.

We need a young, innovative offensive mind from the Shanahan tree to come in and run this offense. The running scheme needs to be completely rewired and the coach needs to get the best out of Prescott.
Zim likely takes over as HC.

only 2024-25 are fully GTD in Daks contract extension.
 

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Saints would probably fire their HC over letting him leave if the offense plays like it has for the season, or for most of it.


I still think it's Bill B. He's desperate, he's a name, and it would irk Kraft if Bill has success here.
Incomprehensible
 

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Zim likely takes over as HC.

only 2024-25 are fully GTD in Daks contract extension.
That’d be a nightmare with Zimmer but I could totally see Jerry hiring another retread, old HC with outdated concepts.
 

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You have a better suggestion? I'm totally out on him drafting. We don't need him for that. But a better coach? who?
I'd just rather see a younger coach than a 70+ year coach who is past his prime and is an offensive dinosaur.

I would like BB as a defensive coordinator if he would take a smaller role.
 

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I'd just rather see a younger coach than a 70+ year coach who is past his prime and is an offensive dinosaur.

I would like BB as a defensive coordinator if he would take a smaller role.
Even if I agree with you, who? How do you know he can't still coach? I'm not saying he'd be the best coach in the league. But who else is available? Some random coordinator?
 

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Far more likely.
 

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I'd just rather see a younger coach than a 70+ year coach who is past his prime and is an offensive dinosaur.

I would like BB as a defensive coordinator if he would take a smaller role.

You have a better suggestion? I'm totally out on him drafting. We don't need him for that. But a better coach? who?
Jarv is correct.

For Flamma?


this is the argument people who dont consider what coaches can do. ANY younger coach would be a better solution, they are more adaptable, keeping up on things and quicker to see things. I dont care who they get at this point. At this point the HC doesnt even matter.

All we need done, is the culture burned to the ground. A GM installed and if its a young HC, good, just try to have an experienced staff at the top, make your OC and DC experienced guys. Thats all i want. Make the staff as young as you like and let them make mistakes and learn to be future staff guys, good im ok with that. But to get another retread, especially over 60!! what is the age limit for HCs, lordy its unreal. Get a young guy, get a new team, new culture, new ways and get on top of being a HC and not a one sided coach.
This was the brilliance of Jimmy, let the coaches coach and you handle the small details to make the team operate.
 

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Klint Kubiak.

I’ve had a large enough sample size of the Prescott/McCarthy combo to know it’s never going to work. McCarthy’s WCO is outdated and not a good fit for Prescott, and we’re committed to Dak for the next 3-4 years whether we like it or not. Is Dak a part of the problem? Absolutely, but he’s going to be here.

We need a young, innovative offensive mind from the Shanahan tree to come in and run this offense. The running scheme needs to be completely rewired and the coach needs to get the best out of Prescott.
I’ve heard this a ton over the last 5-6 days
 
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