Tyron Smith and Doug Free

[casmith07]

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That guy hitting the bag has weak-looking legs. Waist-bending too.

 

[casmith07]

You have no idea or basis for your conclusion. I doubt if you even studied the game footage when Parnell did play.

The basis for my conclusion is that he couldn't beat Free when he was at his worst. The fact that he has two starts in 3 years with Free being the worst in the league during one of those speak volumes about Parnell's ability.

I'm pretty sure those "reports" about Callahan are pure fabrication.

FIFY.

 

[xwalker]

I'll agree. If he had more muscle mass he'd be a great player and that's definitely something he needs to work on. However, the juxtaposition of Tyron and Doug in those pictures isn't really an honest representation of them. I'm sure if you dug up a shirtless picture of Free in his college days (which I'm not calling for), he'd look better, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the current situation. He's a player who has always relied on his feet and technique and when either of those fail him, he doesn't have that anchor strength to fall back on. If he gained upper body strength, he'd be a much better player.

The fact that it is an early picture of Tyron just solidifies the contention of my post. Tyron already had more muscle mass than Free. That's back when Tyron was around 308 pounds, Imagine how much muscle mass he has gained now that he's up near 320.

Free might have had more definition in college than he has in that picture, but that's not my point. He lacks muscle mass.

I posted the 2nd pic to show that Parnell also has bigger arms and more muscle mass than Free. That is particularly interesting because Parnell was a skinny ex-college basketball player that only weighed about 280 when he got to the Cowboys. Now he's hit the weight-room and become much stronger than Free.

 

[xwalker]

That guy hitting the bag has weak-looking legs. Waist-bending too.

He's a white guy with a number in the sixties. That would be either John Wetzel #61 (6-7, 315) or Brian Clarke #63 (6-2, 296).

It looks more like a 1 than a 3 and the other guys in the pic are all OTs; therefore, I'm going to guess Wetzel.

 

[xwalker]

The basis for my conclusion is that he couldn't beat Free when he was at his worst. The fact that he has two starts in 3 years with Free being the worst in the league during one of those speak volumes about Parnell's ability.

I'm pretty sure those "reports" about Callahan are pure fabrication.

This sounds like you're trying to sidetrack the argument to avoid admitting that you don't really watch the All-22 game film.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Welp, this thread proves two Weeks just can't come soon enough ... n' stop dogging on our Starting RT for jebus chris sakes ... you don't know how good Parnell is buuuut OBVIOUSLY he hasn't been able to win the starting position...from the Freak!

 

[CyberB0b]

This sounds like you're trying to sidetrack the argument to avoid admitting that you don't really watch the All-22 game film.

I'm pretty sure I admitted I haven't. It doesn't matter if you have. The guys with decades of experience and who are in a position to make a change have determined Parnell is inferior to Free. Are you a pro scout?

 

[xwalker]

Welp, this thread proves two Weeks just can't come soon enough ... n' stop dogging on our Starting RT for jebus chris sakes ... you don't know how good Parnell is buuuut OBVIOUSLY he hasn't been able to win the starting position...from the Freak!

I've said before that Free was "good enough" to win with in 2013. It just irritates me that he does not appear to have worked hard in the weight room.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

I've said before that Free was "good enough" to win with in 2013. It just irritates me that he does not appear to have worked hard in the weight room.

Ironically and 'knowingly' no doubt, the pick you presented with the fish as an example was from LAST Off Season...so go ahead keep reaching and create more threads to bash players that you haven't even seen in pads for 2014 Training Camp ..... Brilliant!

 

[CyberB0b]

I've said before that Free was "good enough" to win with in 2013. It just irritates me that he does not appear to have worked hard in the weight room.

So your proof that he hasn't hit the weight room this off-season is a picture from 4 years ago?

 

[xwalker]

I'm pretty sure I admitted I haven't. It doesn't matter if you have. The guys with decades of experience and who are in a position to make a change have determined Parnell is inferior to Free. Are you a pro scout?

No, the guy with decades of experience wanted to start Parnell over Free. That story is common knowledge. I'm sure it's probably in the ESPN-Dallas archives somewhere. The local sports talk radio guys talked about it several times back then.

Again, the "Are you a pro scout" is just a diversion from the fact that I've studied the players and you have not. Even if I tell you my connection to scouting, you will not believe it.

 

[xwalker]

So your proof that he hasn't hit the weight room this off-season is a picture from 4 years ago?

It was an older pic of Tyron merged with a newer pic of Free from my understanding. I think there was a tweet or something associated with the original pic of Free. I'll search to see if it has a date on it.

 

[CyberB0b]

It was an older pic of Tyron merged with a newer pic of Free from my understanding. I think there was a tweet or something associated with the original pic of Free. I'll search to see if it has a date on it.

January 2010

http://www.yummybro.com/2010/01/big-gulp-award-doug-free.html?m=1

 

[xwalker]

Ironically and 'knowingly' no doubt, the pick you presented with the fish as an example was from LAST Off Season...so go ahead keep reaching and create more threads to bash players that you haven't even seen in pads for 2014 Training Camp ..... Brilliant!

Free is in his 8th year in the NFL. Muscle Mass is something that should be gained over years, not just one off-season. The more recent the pic of Free, the more it solidifies my contention that he is lacking in upper-body muscle mass now. Most OLinemen should have a bigger upper body after only a couple of years in the NFL if they were not bigger from day 1.

I guess when you've got nothing you can always resort to personal attacks.

 

[CyberB0b]

No, the guy with decades of experience wanted to start Parnell over Free.

So why did Parnell only manage to start 2 games in 3 years? I'm not seeing the connection here.

Again, the "Are you a pro scout" is just a diversion from the fact that I've studied the players and you have not. Even if I tell you my connection to scouting, you will not believe it.

It's not a diversion, it's just a fact. I am not a scout and as far as I can tell, you are a random fan on a messageboard, like I am. You have to understand that what you are saying is not supported by reality. I am really not concerned with what your thoughts on Parnell are, because ultimately, it doesn't matter. To me, if he can't beat out Free when he is the worst starting tackle in the league, he isn't very good.

 

[xwalker]

January 2010

http://www.yummybro.com/2010/01/big-gulp-award-doug-free.html?m=1

That's it. He had been in the NFL for 4 complete seasons at that point.

 

[BigStar]

Tyron Smith and Doug Free

That made me laugh a little too much there...

 

[xwalker]

So why did Parnell only manage to start 2 games in 3 years? I'm not seeing the connection here.

It's not a diversion, it's just a fact. I am not a scout and as far as I can tell, you are a random fan on a messageboard, like I am. You have to understand that what you are saying is not supported by reality. I am really not concerned with what your thoughts on Parnell are, because ultimately, it doesn't matter. To me, if he can't beat out Free when he is the worst starting tackle in the league, he isn't very good.

He had never played or practiced as an OLineman until he got to the Cowboys. He played 1 year on defense in college after several years of playing college basketball. The Saints had him practice as a TE. Many mid round rookie OL don't play as rookies. Parnell was more raw than any rookie that played multiple year of college football. He was only 270 pounds when he finished college and about 280 when he got to the Cowboys. The year 2012 was a reasonable trajectory to get playing time for a player with his lack of experience. He did play in 2012 and his performances were decent. He was injured the next year. The OL coach preferred to start him more in 2012 but was overruled. Free was making about 7M at the time. How often has Jerry allowed a player making 7M to be bench in favor of a player making around 1M ?

Again, "it doesn't matter to me" is more diversion from the fact that you have uneducated opinions. My opinion could be wrong, but at least it's an opinion that is educated with film study.

I do have a connection to scouting, but I don't want to rely on that for this discussion because CZ seems to have moved away from the years where every other poster had some secret inside information.

 

[gimmesix]

Mandarich would have looked more like Free after he had to quit the Steroids.

I would be OK if Free had a 1993 Nate Newton upper body if he that kind of strength.

Parnell was as good or better than Free when they split reps and in the 2 games that Parnell played at LT. It's on film

There were multiple reports that Callahan campaigned to bench Free and start Parnell. The compromise was having them split series. The next opportunity that Parnell would have to beat out Free was the following training camp; however, Parnell was injured for the duration of that preseason and the issue lingered into the regular season.

You have no idea or basis for your conclusion. I doubt if you even studied the game footage when Parnell did play.

I would like Parnell to start as much as anybody because I think he is young enough to still have a future while Free's is coming to an end. BUT I do think you look for every excuse to play down the fact that Free seized the job when given the opportunity last offseason (AFTER Dallas cut his salary, which isn't a good sign for a player). He played well enough in the preseason and during the season that Parnell was never given a shot to take the job from him ... as far as we know. (It's possibly when Dallas saw both players in practice the Cowboys simply thought Free was better.)

I'd love for Parnell to show that he clearly should be starting, because I think he's got the movement skills and power to be better than Free with some game-time development. Trouble is, I think experience gives Free the edge he needs to hold on to the job. Maybe I'm wrong about that, and I'd love to be wrong in this case because it adds another fairly young starting lineman to a young core group.

 

[joseephuss]

The times I see Free get beat aren't due to him not being big or strong enough. I see him struggle at times keeping proper technique. He sometimes puts himself in poor positions, leaving him unbalanced and easy to push over or through.