Tyrone Crawford News

[Alexander]

Actually, it was both. A pre-emptive extension followed by a restructuring of a bad deal soon after it was signed.

That is what happens when you overvalue a player that has a contract you could use as a bank.

Never should have happened. I still am baffled at what they actually saw in him.

I guess since Marinelli's feelings were hurt when they let Hatcher go, they had to give him someone to clutch to his chest.

 

[Stash]

That is what happens when you overvalue a player that has a contract you could use as a bank.

Never should have happened. I still am baffled at what they actually saw in him.

I guess since Marinelli's feelings were hurt when they let Hatcher go, they had to give him someone to clutch to his chest.

I saw flashes. I still do. But they're not frequent enough to justify the cost. And again, he's no 4-3 end. He lacks the bend and change of position that the position requires. To his credit, he was a trooper and moved where they needed him, but if he was dominant at 3T there's no way they would have even considered it, and Collins played that spot well enough to keep it.

If they put Crawford back there to start, they're obviously forcing it based on contract, not ability.

If he's starting at end in 2017, the organization failed to adequately address the position.

 

[Idgit]

There's not really anything baffling about this deal. They placed a big futures bet on a talented young player that was doing the right things. That guys played through a couple of significant shoulder injuries, and has under delivered in general. He's been a solid but unspectacular player at two different positions. Everyone acknowledges he's overpaid. Every team has contracts like these. It sucks when it happens on a big contract, but it happens.

 

[jobberone]

His contract "isn't due" now? We aren't stuck paying him $7 million?



So the excuse is injury now? Again? Are we to reserve judgement and



Which was still below what he's paid. Even if your unrealistic expectations all come true. I hope the same staunch defenders are here to lament the loss of Tyrone Crawford when the team cuts him. As soon as the cap allows them to.

No his contract is not due now. It's already set in stone although it can be restructured of course as any contract. You can't escape the guaranteed money.

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $45,000,000 SIGNING BONUS $10,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY $9,000,000 GUARANTEED:$24,675,000 FREE AGENT: 2021 / UFA

You're still stuck on woe is me we have to pay an injured player who isn't performing to his contract. Get over it. It happens all the time to every team in the league. The player's union isn't going to allow teams to cut injured players. Whining like a mule over it over and over isn't going to change the facts. Again be glad his average salary is less than 10M per and wait and see how he performs when healthy. And I'm not excusing his performance merely explaining a league wide phenomenon. It is what it is. Players get hurt and often have to play.

You have ridiculous expectations about players having to play thru injury. And you are ignorant about repairing shoulders. Unless he has an unlikely deep infection then there is very very small odds of his not recovering fully and performing up to preinjury levels.

But be my guest and keep whining needlessly and incessantly about something you obviously know nothing about.

I still love ya man.

 

[Verdict]

There's not really anything baffling about this deal. They placed a big futures bet on a talented young player that was doing the right things. That guys played through a couple of significant shoulder injuries, and has under delivered in general. He's been a solid but unspectacular player at two different positions. Everyone acknowledges he's overpaid. Every team has contracts like these. It sucks when it happens on a big contract, but it happens.

I really like this post and I think it accurately states the way most cowboys fans view the situation but it is slightly inaccurate in that some people do not view it as a bad contract. I'm not sure why, but based on the comments made in this thread a couple of people don't.

 

[Verdict]

There's not really anything baffling about this deal. They placed a big futures bet on a talented young player that was doing the right things. That guys played through a couple of significant shoulder injuries, and has under delivered in general. He's been a solid but unspectacular player at two different positions. Everyone acknowledges he's overpaid. Every team has contracts like these. It sucks when it happens on a big contract, but it happens.

I actually thought this was a good bet by the Cowboys at the time it was made but it hasn't been a good extension so far.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I actually thought this was a good bet by the Cowboys at the time it was made but it hasn't been a good extension so far.

No it hasn't turned out in the positive.

But that's part of the "game".

If you're going to extend young talent you're going to have instances like this or instances where the young talent not only plays to the level of the extended contract but exceeds it.

If there's any positive in this particular situation Crawford doesn't seem to be a lazy player. He's come back from one very severe injury (the Achilles) and one shoulder surgery... Now he's coming back from another.

At least from a motivation standpoint I wouldn't bet against the kid.

IF he can stay uninjured I think he puts up some decent production.

 

[Verdict]

They could cut him now if they wanted to. The cap in no way prevents it.

That's a bit disengenuine. The team can almost always cut a player if they either have the cap room to do it or can make the room to do it. But once a players salary is guaranteed there is a tremendous incentive to not cut the player.

 

[Stash]

No his contract is not due now. It's already set in stone although it can be restructured of course as any contract. You can't escape the guaranteed money.

CONTRACT: 5 yr(s) / $45,000,000 SIGNING BONUS $10,000,000 AVERAGE SALARY $9,000,000 GUARANTEED:$24,675,000 FREE AGENT: 2021 / UFA

You're still stuck on woe is me we have to pay an injured player who isn't performing to his contract. Get over it. It happens all the time to every team in the league. The player's union isn't going to allow teams to cut injured players. Whining like a mule over it over and over isn't going to change the facts. Again be glad his average salary is less than 10M per and wait and see how he performs when healthy. And I'm not excusing his performance merely explaining a league wide phenomenon. It is what it is. Players get hurt and often have to play.

How about you "get over it"? I can hand,e the fact that they're stuck in a bad contract and talk about it. It seems like it is you who can't handle anything but good news.

You have ridiculous expectations about players having to play thru injury. And you are ignorant about repairing shoulders. Unless he has an unlikely deep infection then there is very very small odds of his not recovering fully and performing up to preinjury levels.

Are you a doctor? I actually know people who have had the surgery and know what they've experienced.

But be my guest and keep whining needlessly and incessantly about something you obviously know nothing about.

I still love ya man.

Same here. Disagreement on this one or not.

 

[Verdict]

No it hasn't turned out in the positive.

But that's part of the "game".

If you're going to extend young talent you're going to have instances like this or instances where the young talent not only plays to the level of the extended contract but exceeds it.

If there's any positive in this particular situation Crawford doesn't seem to be a lazy player. He's come back from one very severe injury (the Achilles) and one shoulder surgery... Now he's coming back from another.

At least from a motivation standpoint I wouldn't bet against the kid.

IF he can stay uninjured I think he puts up some decent production.

Based on the information we had at the time it seemed to be a reasonably good bet. That's really all you can look at in terms of organizational decision making. The bad decisions have been all these unnecessary restructures on bad contracts.

Dez' contract was one you could see coming. We were paying top 5 receiver money for a guy who really wasn't a top 5 guy even when he was initially signed. The organization failed the team on that contract and many of us saw that one coming.

 

[Idgit]

I actually thought this was a good bet by the Cowboys at the time it was made but it hasn't been a good extension so far.

So did I. And yeah, it hasn't quite worked out.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Based on the information we had at the time it seemed to be a reasonably good bet. That's really all you can look at in terms of organizational decision making. The bad decisions have been all these unnecessary restructures on bad contracts.

Dez' contract was one you could see coming. We were paying top 5 receiver money for a guy who really wasn't a top 5 guy even when he was initially signed. The organization failed the team on that contract and many of us saw that one coming.

I don't disagree on Dez's contract.

I was one who thought they should have traded him.

Does that make me right?

No, not hardly.

It was just an opinion at the time.

 

[Nightman]

How about you "get over it"? I can hand,e the fact that they're stuck in a bad contract and talk about it. It seems like it is you who can't handle anything but good news.



Are you a doctor? I actually know people who have had the surgery and know what they've experienced.

But be my guest and keep whining needlessly and incessantly about something you obviously know nothing about.



Same here. Disagreement on this one or not.

Your arguments are hysterical in both senses, laughable and panicked

Top DL make 17m so stop with getting paid like a top DL
Statistically and visually he was our best DL last year
He isn't going anywhere so just stop it

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He isn't going anywhere so just stop it

That really is the bottom line for this season.

Crawford is here for the upcoming season.

 

[jobberone]

How about you "get over it"? I can hand,e the fact that they're stuck in a bad contract and talk about it. It seems like it is you who can't handle anything but good news.



Are you a doctor? I actually know people who have had the surgery and know what they've experienced.

But be my guest and keep whining needlessly and incessantly about something you obviously know nothing about.



Same here. Disagreement on this one or not.

It doesn't appear you can handle the fact he's underperformed. However, it wasn't a bad contract. He's just been injured. This is something you again don't appear to appreciate very well. It's a hard sport and people are injured frequently often lasting weeks to an entire season. That's not a fault just a consequence of a violent sport and having to ask people to play thru an injury. The fact he got as many snaps as he did should suggest to all that despite a significant injury he managed to play at a reasonably high level. Having said that I'm sure they would have rather IRed him and let him be months into his rehab rather than 50 days. They just didn't have anyone else to put out there who was better considering the need for a rotation.

Yes, I'm a doctor and I've assisted in this type of surgery, done parts of it at times and I'm currently scheduled for my own repair on both shoulders.....for the second time. So I know a great deal more than 99% of members. Whether you want or care to listen is up to you.

He should be ready to play at top level at the end of the preseason if not sooner. That's the bottom line on one T Crawford.

 

[jrumann59]

His shoulders, tanks back, tappers back, jaylons leg, and Randy's head.

That's how NOT to build the prototypical defensive player. 6 million dolla man

I had one for 12 years had surgery and was back to normal within 3 months.

 

[gmoney112]

I don't doubt he'd be productive if he was healthy. He tore his shoulder in Week 2. Kinda rains on your parade.

I had a SLAP tear. Thank god it was my left, because that was awful.

 

[rkell87]

They have 2 halves of a 1 Tech. Get rid of Thornton, give Hankins a 1 year deal. He'll outplay it and cash in next offseason. Draft a prospect to groom behind him. Let Hankins cash in and get a 3rd round comp of he signs for 10mil+

Ya, wont happen. But a man can dream!

He'll never accept a one year unless it exceeds the top paid 1 tech by 3 million which will NEVER happen.


Getting a top FA is the biggest pipe dream fans have at this point

 

[rkell87]

So I had a discussion with my buddy(as we all do) when he signed his 45 million contract and I said it was too much, end up a waste of money. He said who else is going to give us his production. I said it doesn't matter, you are paying for more production than you've gotten hoping he will exceed it which rarely happens. I never rub anything in my buddies face, just in case but damn it feels good to know I was right even though it's not great for the team.

 

[Stash]

I don't doubt he'd be productive if he was healthy. He tore his shoulder in Week 2. Kinda rains on your parade.

Actually, it doesn't. Your information is inaccurate. The "Week 2" shoulder injury was the other one, in 2015. But I can see how it would get confusing given the laundry list of injuries and surgeries. If it's not the Achilles, it's the shoulder, if it's not the shoulder, it's the back, if it's not the back, it's the other shoulder.