Tyrone Crawford News

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure, push the better players to the bench to justify a bad contract, make matter worse.

Ideally, he doesn't. Collins is better at the 3T, he proved that despite no training camp. Do you want to replace him?

And Irving was dominant given the limited snaps he received too. Do you want Crawford as this team starting SDE? I sure don't.

That's simply not true at all, especially for a guy coming off of yet another shoulder surgery. A baseless claim.

Who made you the judge on that?

Your opinion is duly noted.

Who said start him because of his contract? We talk about his objective production being greater than the two you claim are better.

I judge it based on your constant hyperbole.

You should look at what DL are making in this market.

 

[jobberone]

That's great. "He's one of the best 8-10 DL" and he's getting paid a guaranteed salary of over $7 million while come off of consecutive shoulder surgeries.

Wait, you meant "one of the 8-10 best" on the Cowboys team, right?

You're conflating two issues, Stash.

One is his contract. You have to look at the number and quality of snaps when his contract is due; not now.

The other is the quality of his play now. That has been a disappointment but you're just banging your head against the wall wailing about not playing up to the contract. That happens to every team every year when players get injured. At least he wasn't making 20M a year.

He'll get his shoulder repaired then he'll be good with them for 10-15 years minimum until they act up again. He should play at a level his was before injuring his right shoulder.

 

[Verdict]

Sure, push the better players to the bench to justify a bad contract, make matter worse.



Ideally, he doesn't. Collins is better at the 3T, he proved that despite no training camp. Do you want to replace him?

And Irving was dominant given the limited snaps he received too. Do you want Crawford as this team starting SDE? I sure don't.



That's simply not true at all, especially for a guy coming off of yet another shoulder surgery. A baseless claim.



Who made you the judge on that?



Your opinion is duly noted.

I don't think he understands that his opinion is not a fact. It is his perception of the world which may be accurate or inaccurate. But he isn't willing to consider that his opinion might be off just a little. We all have opinions about things. Sometimes they are right. Sometimes they are not.

 

[Verdict]

Who said start him because of his contract? We talk about his objective production being greater than the two you claim are better.

I judge it based on your constant hyperbole.

You should look at what DL are making in this market.

That's part of the problem with this team. You can't just what a stating player at a given position should be paid based on what other teams are paying players at the same position. You should be paying them for how valuable that are to your team.

If you are the 32nd best QB are you worth half of what the best QB is worth? Doubtful. Maybe a quarter of what the best QB is worth or less.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's part of the problem with this team. You can't just what a stating player at a given position should be paid based on what other teams are paying players at the same position. You should be paying them for how valuable that are to your team.

If you are the 32nd best QB are you worth half of what the best QB is worth? Doubtful. Maybe a quarter of what the best QB is worth or less.

That is not how markets work. "Should" idealism is irrelevant to reality.

 

[Verdict]

That is not how markets work. "Should" idealism is irrelevant to reality.

No. It's stupid to overpay for a weak position player simply because that's what the market is supposed to be. That is one of the reasons why perpetual cellar dwellers have a hard time getting out of the cellar.

Would you pay $14 million to have Showers start for us because that's around what a starting QB should be getting paid? Hell no. If he was the best you could line up and play but he still sucked you would pay him a couple of million max and call it good.

 

[Verdict]

That is not how markets work. "Should" idealism is irrelevant to reality.

Top flight QBs are worth a ton and there aren't very many of them around. But ****** QBs are plentiful. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No. It's stupid to overpay for a weak position player simply because that's what the market is supposed to be. That is one of the reasons why perpetual cellar dwellers have a hard time getting out of the cellar.

Would you pay $14 million to have Showers start for us because that's around what a starting QB should be getting paid? Hell no. If he was the best you could line up and play but he still sucked you would pay him a couple of million max and call it good.

Dealing with the way the world is will always get your farther than acting like it is how you want it to be.

The market rate for DL is what it is.

 

[Verdict]

This starting stuff needs to be toned down IMO. We need a rotation. He's one of the best 8-10 DL IMO. Let's see how the guy does post repair.

He might be good enough to be in a rotation. He has also possibly played out of position. But I think he is currently a fringe player that might be subject to getting bumped off of the roster if you ignored his contract.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He might be good enough to be in a rotation. He has also possibly played out of position. But I think he is currently a fringe player that might be subject to getting bumped off of the roster if you ignored his contract.

He was tops on the team in sacks + hits + pressures. There is your emotion and then there is objective reality.

 

[Verdict]

Dealing with the way the world is will always get your farther than acting like it is how you want it to be.

The market rate for DL is what it is.

Apparantly economics wasn't a prominent part of your medical education. Supply and demand are part of it but ultimately the team decides what it will pay for a player.

I don't mean any disrespect to you but that thought process is idiotic, unless you consider the skill level and performance ability of the player far more that what you perceive the going rate for a player to be.

 

[Verdict]

He was tops on the team in sacks + hits + pressures. There is your emotion and then there is objective reality.

He sucked pretty badly this year. What else do you need to know?

 

[jobberone]

He might be good enough to be in a rotation. He has also possibly played out of position. But I think he is currently a fringe player that might be subject to getting bumped off of the roster if you ignored his contract.

You cannot properly evaluate a player playing hurt. What you can do is blame the FO from putting the team in a position to having to play someone who is playing subpar. You're always putting players on the field playing hurt but when you can't mount a pass rush for years then you have a significant problem. You really need to look at the DL as a unit more so than individual play although obviously you must do both.

 

[gmoney112]

He might be good enough to be in a rotation. He has also possibly played out of position. But I think he is currently a fringe player that might be subject to getting bumped off of the roster if you ignored his contract.

It really comes down to question if you want him or not.

If you want him you have to pay market price.

 

[Verdict]

You cannot properly evaluate a player playing hurt. What you can do is blame the FO from putting the team in a position to having to play someone who is playing subpar. You're always putting players on the field playing hurt but when you can't mount a pass rush for years then you have a significant problem. You really need to look at the DL as a unit more so than individual play although obviously you must do both.

All of the above is true. But it is hard to know what kind of player he will be going forward when he is healthy. We can't practically cut him due to his guaranteed salary for the immediate future so the best we can do is root for him to be a good player for us.

 

[dwreck27]

Well now That Carr and free are gone I know who has solidified the "whipping boy" of the board

/I'm ready to not see Crawford suit up for us again either

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He sucked pretty badly this year. What else do you need to know?

If you have any ability to do any description beyond emotional generalizations.

If Crawford "sucked" then everyone else sucked more. After all they produced less than he did as objectively measured.

 

[Stash]

Who said start him because of his contract? We talk about his objective production being greater than the two you claim are better.

No, you lump numbers together in an effort to build your guy up. That's clear and it's clearly noticed.

I judge it based on your constant hyperbole.

You can use that term as many times as you want, doesn't make it so. I know which side the vast majority stand on in this, and I see two guys standing on the other side.

You should look at what DL are making in this market.

Good ones make big money, Crawford shouldn't.

 

[Stash]

You're conflating two issues, Stash.

One is his contract. You have to look at the number and quality of snaps when his contract is due; not now.

His contract "isn't due" now? We aren't stuck paying him $7 million?

The other is the quality of his play now. That has been a disappointment but you're just banging your head against the wall wailing about not playing up to the contract. That happens to every team every year when players get injured. At least he wasn't making 20M a year.

So the excuse is injury now? Again? Are we to reserve judgement and

He'll get his shoulder repaired then he'll be good with them for 10-15 years minimum until they act up again. He should play at a level his was before injuring his right shoulder.

Which was still below what he's paid. Even if your unrealistic expectations all come true. I hope the same staunch defenders are here to lament the loss of Tyrone Crawford when the team cuts him. As soon as the cap allows them to.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, you lump numbers together in an effort to build your guy up. That's clear and it's clearly noticed.



You can use that term as many times as you want, doesn't make it so. I know which side the vast majority stand on in this, and I see two guys standing on the other side.



Good ones make big money, Crawford shouldn't.

The numbers are total pass rush. Nothing more, nothing less. It's comprehensive.

Bandwagon doesn't make you right. Again objective stats versus your emotion.

He is one of the better SDE in the league in his first year at the position. We have already covered this.