Tyrone Crawford News

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His contract "isn't due" now? We aren't stuck paying him $7 million?



So the excuse is injury now? Again? Are we to reserve judgement and



Which was still below what he's paid. Even if your unrealistic expectations all come true. I hope the same staunch defenders are here to lament the loss of Tyrone Crawford when the team cuts him. As soon as the cap allows them to.

They could cut him now if they wanted to. The cap in no way prevents it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparantly economics wasn't a prominent part of your medical education. Supply and demand are part of it but ultimately the team decides what it will pay for a player.

I don't mean any disrespect to you but that thought process is idiotic, unless you consider the skill level and performance ability of the player far more that what you perceive the going rate for a player to be.

Market determines worth. It is what it is you inserting your evaluation is meaningless as you are not in the market.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

If we had a 'war daddy', Tyrone would look better.

Right now, everyone sucks around him. What do you expect.

 

[Stash]

The numbers are total pass rush. Nothing more, nothing less. It's comprehensive.

"Total pass rush", when did that become a thing? Oh right, when someone needed to make Tyrone Crawford look better than he is.

Bandwagon doesn't make you right. Again objective stats versus your emotion.

When the vast majority of the people say you're wrong, you usually are. You can tell everyone the sky is green, doesn't make it so.

He is one of the better SDE in the league in his first year at the position. We have already covered this.

Maybe you think you have, again that doesn't make it so. Crawford played there out of necessity, not because he was so good. And if and when the Cowboys find better defensive ends, he won't be. And then they'll be looking for somewhere to put him in an effort to get something out of a bad deal.

Until such time as they can cut him.

 

[Stash]

They could cut him now if they wanted to. The cap in no way prevents it.

Please support this claim. Thanks.

 

[visionary]

Sooooooo, to recap the offseason for the defense:

- Lost 4 of our Top 6 defensive backs. Signed an Eagles reject apparently as a solution. No worries. We can go heavy on DBs in the draft! Except................

- Still haven't quite fixed the pass rush issue that has plagued us for a few seasons. That's OK, Tapper will deliver and we'll draft a DE! At least DT is in good shape! Except...........

- One of the DT we are counting on just had shoulder surgery on his other shoulder and it's even worse than his previous injury. No worries. We'll draft a DT!

So essentially............... to improve this defense, we are going to have to nail every one of our 6 draft picks.

Makes sense.

Ok now you're being factual
I hate that

 

[unionjack8]

Just don't like him as a player hand picked to be our centre piece.

Hate on me if you like but I expect much for for 8-9m av per year.

 

[Daillest88]

Just don't like him as a player hand picked to be our centre piece.

Hate on me if you like but I expect much for for 8-9m av per year.

I made excuses last year for him. He's a good player who can play multiple positions, just not at an elite level and he's getting payed like he's elite.he needs to take a paycut

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

"Total pass rush", when did that become a thing? Oh right, when someone needed to make Tyrone Crawford look better than he is.



When the vast majority of the people say you're wrong, you usually are. You can tell everyone the sky is green, doesn't make it so.



Maybe you think you have, again that doesn't make it so. Crawford played there out of necessity, not because he was so good. And if and when the Cowboys find better defensive ends, he won't be. And then they'll be looking for somewhere to put him in an effort to get something out of a bad deal.

Until such time as they can cut him.

http://overthecap.com/calculator/dallas-cowboys

Go to Crawford. hit cut. And we are over $5m under the cap. More than enough to sign our rookies.

I asked you to name 5 SDE better than him. You named 4 and only 2 were undebatable. There are around 15 4-3 teams.

And if 3,000,000,000 people say the sky is green does not make it so. Look up bandwagon fallacy. The truth no matter how repugnant is still the truth.

It does make him look better and that is why you bias it out. That is called confirmation bias. Your blanket dismissal does not make hits and hurries not a critical component of a pass rush production. It just goes to show you cannot argue it on merit.

 

[Alexander]

I made excuses last year for him. He's a good player who can play multiple positions, just not at an elite level and he's getting payed like he's elite.he needs to take a paycut

Not happening. When the player is running around ruffling kids' hair in schools and stuff, it is kind of rude to ask him to take a pay cut. He's a paid ambassador now.

 

[Stash]

http://overthecap.com/calculator/dallas-cowboys

Go to Crawford. hit cut. And we are over $5m under the cap. More than enough to sign our rookies.

I think that both you and overthecap need to recheck your "facts". Neither of you are taking into consideration the fact that his 2017 salary has now become guaranteed.

Try this one instead:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tyrone-crawford-9891/

I asked you to name 5 SDE better than him. You named 4 and only 2 were undebatable. There are around 15 4-3 teams.

I provided more than enough to dispute the claim you were making, which took little to no effort,and there was no need to go any further

And if 3,000,000,000 people say the sky is green does not make it so. Look up bandwagon fallacy. The truth no matter how repugnant is still the truth.

Look up "opinion" vs "truth".

It does make him look better and that is why you bias it out. That is called confirmation bias. Your blanket dismissal does not make hits and hurries not a critical component of a pass rush production. It just goes to show you cannot argue it on merit.

It means that I'm not giving Crawford "credit" for Aaron Rodgers or any other quarterback running past him because he lacks change of direction.

 

[Stash]

I made excuses last year for him. He's a good player who can play multiple positions, just not at an elite level and he's getting payed like he's elite.he needs to take a paycut

Unfortunately, he doesn't. He's got this team right where he wants them.

 

[Alexander]

Unfortunately, he doesn't. He's got this team right where he wants them.

Hard to have them where he wants them when they put themselves there.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think that both you and overthecap need to recheck your "facts". Neither of you are taking into consideration the fact that his 2017 salary has now become guaranteed.

Try this one instead:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tyrone-crawford-9891/



I provided more than enough to dispute the claim you were making, which took little to no effort,and there was no need to go any further



Look up "opinion" vs "truth".



It means that I'm not giving Crawford "credit" for Aaron Rodgers or any other quarterback running past him because he lacks change of direction.

then restructure Dez or any other player. obviously its absurd to cut someone who they have to pay anyway but that is besides the point. they could get rid of him if they wanted to.

You provided nothing of the sort. I asked for 5 you could only name 4. You even admitted that it was a wash with Graham; that was of course before we included the total pass rush stat picture. You are just intractable.

I am well familiar with the difference. Bandwagon fallacy still is what it is.

hurries means the qb threw the ball early thus the term hurry. hits speak for themselves. Your fantasy scenario is irrelevant. Now he cannot change direction? nonsense.

 

[Stash]

Hard to have them where he wants them when they put themselves there.

That's what makes him so brilliant. They never saw it coming.

 

[Stash]

then restructure Dez or any other player. obviously its absurd to cut someone who they have to pay anyway but that is besides the point. they could get rid of him if they wanted to.

Yeah, just rob money from somewhere else. Make things worse. How about admitting you were completely wrong here?

You provided nothing of the sort. I asked for 5 you could only name 4. You even admitted that it was a wash with Graham; that was of course before we included the total pass rush stat picture. You are just intractable.

I easily refuted your claim. That's all I needed to do.

I am well familiar with the difference. Bandwagon fallacy still is what it is.

Sure doesn't seem that way. You continue to mistake your opinion for truth.

hurries means the qb threw the ball early thus the term hurry. hits speak for themselves. Your fantasy scenario is irrelevant. Now he cannot change direction? nonsense.

He never could! If he could, he would have been a 4-3 end in the first place and not the 3-4 end he was drafted to be. And that's why all of these "experiments" ultimately end in failure.

 

[Alexander]

That's what makes him so brilliant. They never saw it coming.

It is more disturbing when you look at the monetary allocation for the DL.

Minus any new additions, we are only currently due for $9.1M in 2020.

But, it is all for this player.

 

[Stash]

It is more disturbing when you look at the monetary allocation for the DL.

Minus any new additions, we are only currently due for $9.1M in 2020.

But, it is all for this player.

I see no chance that he could still be here in 2020. As soon as they can get out, they will. But they just screwed themselves with that restructure last year. Stuck.

And that's why the kick-the-can cap crowd tries to defend him. This deal is the one that has blown up in theirs and the Cowboys' faces.

 

[Alexander]

I see no chance that he could still be here in 2020. As soon as they can get out, they will. But they just screwed themselves with that restructure last year. Stuck.

And that's why the kick-the-can cap crowd tries to defend him. This deal is the one that has blown up in theirs and the Cowboys' faces.

This was not even kicking the can though.

It was a poor evaluation of the player's talent that led to a pre-emptive extension well before it needed to happen.

They have always overvalued him, even back when he was injured in 2013.

I guess we paid attention to this prophetic quote from Jason Hatcher: “He’s going to be one of the great ones. He can definitely be a Hall of Famer. He’s got the potential to be a Hall of Famer.”

I also still recall when he signed, you had a bunch of people defending it, but it was clear as day it was over the top given what he had truly shown on the field. We overpaid for potential that honestly was not even evident yet.

Irving showed more in a couple of games than Crawford showed to that point. And look where we are with him, one year deal. Maybe they learned.

 

[Stash]

This was not even kicking the can though.

It was a poor evaluation of the player's talent that led to a pre-emptive extension well before it needed to happen.

Actually, it was both. A pre-emptive extension followed by a restructuring of a bad deal soon after it was signed.

They have always overvalued him, even back when he was injured in 2013.

I guess we paid attention to this prophetic quote from Jason Hatcher: “He’s going to be one of the great ones. He can definitely be a Hall of Famer. He’s got the potential to be a Hall of Famer.”

I also still recall when he signed, you had a bunch of people defending it, but it was clear as day it was over the top given what he had truly shown on the field. We overpaid for potential that honestly was not even evident yet.

I'll freely admit to being wrong about the deal. I applauded it too at the time, because I liked what he showed at 3T that year. But it just hasn't worked out. Crawford has given his best, but he's simply ill-suited for the 4-3 defense.

Irving showed more in a couple of games than Crawford showed to that point. And look where we are with him, one year deal. Maybe they learned.

No way to tell for sure. They're stuck in this Crawford deal pretty deep.