UFC 100: Take Your Pick

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Ren;2839408 said:
That interview just confirms my initial impression of the guy the UFC needs to get some real HW fighters inn there and shut that roid monkey up

Mir is probably the 3rd best heavyweight in the world.

Lesnar is just to much for him.

Fedor is prolly the only person who would have a chance and Lesnar is just going to keep getting better too.



I guess Cain Valasques will be the next to feel Lesnars wrath.
 

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CATCH17;2839464 said:
Mir is probably the 3rd best heavyweight in the world.

Lesnar is just to much for him.

Fedor is prolly the only person who would have a chance and Lesnar is just going to keep getting better too.



I guess Cain Valasques will be the next to feel Lesnars wrath.
no way. Mir is overrated and people bought the hype when he beat Big Nog who had the flu and had a staph infection.
 

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neosapien23;2839452 said:
How is it nut huggin??? I'm not saying that Fedor isn't the best, but how do we truly know? He has yet to fight a great prime fighter who could really test him. Not that it is his fault, because Dana White will not let him fight the UFC champion until he signs with the UFC. I would have loved to see him fight Couture but it never happened because White did not want it to happen. White does not want an outside fighter to beat his champion and make the UFC look like the inferior brand. I would really relish the thought of Fedor getting in the ring with Lesnar, but again it will not happen while he is under contract with Affliction. Other than Fedor do you think Affliction has anyone on their roster that could beat Lesnar because I don't.

Ugh. Never fought great prime fighters? He beat Cro Cop in his prime. He beat Big Nog in his prime. Not the sick worn out Nog that Mir beat.

Josh Barnett is still a beast and could give Brock a fight.

I think you're getting me wrong though. I'm a big fan of Brock. He's gonna have that title for awhile unless Mirko gets back to prime form.

Also, Barnett>Mir. I'm surprised there is still Mir fans after tonight.
 

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It will take someone who is great at submissions to beat Brock.
 

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would love to see cro cop buckle brock with a kick.i really just wanna see brock get rocked then see how good he really is.

if kimbo wins TUF which idt he will but if he proves himself then id love to see kimbo brock if he beats mir first.

rampage might put on some weight and move up i would love to see how he does.

i know brock got cut by the vikings but he seems like he would make a good fullback lol
 

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I ask becasue I don't know. Could fellow former WWE star Bobby Lashley give Brock a fight?
 

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neosapien23;2839438 said:
Don't be sour because your boy lost.

yeah that must be it and not the fact that he acted like a turd after the fight

I've been into martial arts since i was about 11 and to see some roided up ape spitting all over it's values doesn't bother me as much as a fighter i don't give a **** about losing :rolleyes:
 

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Rampage;2839454 said:
OMG HENDO!
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I love how Hendo completely left his feet on that second shot to Bisping's grill...
 

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Is GSP the best fighter pound for pound in the world?

I like Anderson Silva but you would think GSP would just control him on the ground.

Brock might have thrown his name in the hat too last night for best fighter in the world.

IMO its between GSP, Silva, Fedor, and Brock.




I finally got what I wanted and got to see Hendo just beat the mess out of Bisping.

He hit Bisping so hard I thought he might not ever recover. It was bad.

I think that is the best knockout in UFC History.

If not then it is tied with Gonzagas head kick to cro cop.





GSP was just GSP. His wrestling is just to good and on top of that he has amazing jiu jitsu.

Alves was one of the few guys that GSP just couldn't completely out athlete and yet he still did it.



and Brock... Man he is so good for the sport.


People are pissed at Brock but Mir did talk a lot of crap.

I think this just proves the first fight was a fluke. Something most of us knew anyways.


Fedor may be the only person alive who could beat Brock. He is just to much.

I love the attitude Brock brings too. He is going to cause riots at UFC PPV's.
 

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Rampage;2839454 said:
neosapien23;2839453 said:
who knows but look out cause Brock is gonna be around for a while as he keeps getting better.


OMG HENDO!
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Henderson is becoming one of my new faves. "I doubt he'll ever shut his mouth." :laugh2:

Now Brock on the other hand is classless. "I'm drinking Coors light tonight since Bud light won't pay me, and then maybe I'll get on top of my wife." Nice..
 

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CATCH17;2839566 said:
Brock might have thrown his name in the hat too last night for best fighter in the world.

IMO its between GSP, Silva, Fedor, and Brock.

To be even a part of the debate you need to at least be the best in your own weight class which Brock isn't, Fedor would destroy him.

I'm not so sure he'd be able to take Barnett either who's like a younger stronger Couture that i doubt he'd be able to bully with his size

I'd say the Henderson KO is 2nd only to this

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Ren;2839586 said:
To be even a part of the debate you need to at least be the best in your own weight class which Brock isn't, Fedor would destroy him.

I'm not so sure he'd be able to take Barnett either who's like a younger stronger Couture that i doubt he'd be able to bully with his size

I'd say the Henderson KO is 2nd only to this

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You cant just consider that Fedor would destroy Brock.

Brock is only going to get better.


There just isn't anyone like him. Hes to heavy handed and powerful.


If anyone could beat him it would be Fedor but its not a guarantee just because Fedor shows up.
 

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Ren;2816056 said:
Henderson, Mir, GSP

I'm not buying the Lesnar hype the dude has 4 MMA fights total it's a disgrace that he even got the title shot being 1-1 in the UFC at the time

Its time to buy.
 

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CATCH17;2839593 said:
You cant just consider that Fedor would destroy Brock.

Brock is only going to get better.


There just isn't anyone like him. Hes to heavy handed and powerful.


If anyone could beat him it would be Fedor but its not a guarantee just because Fedor shows up.

Fedor has been doing this for years yet people never learn, every time a new fighter comes along people start talking about how they could take Fedor, then they fight Fedor and Fedor makes it look just as easy as every other fighter that was supposed to be able to beat him.
 

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Ren;2839602 said:
Fedor has been doing this for years yet people never learn, every time a new fighter comes along people start talking about how they could take Fedor, then they fight Fedor and Fedor makes it look just as easy as every other fighter that was supposed to be able to beat him.

How many phenoms like Lesnar have come along?

Zero.

We're talking about a brute force. Not a highly skilled 245 pound fighter.


Mir is a better technician and you saw what that got him. A double cheeseburger looking face.
 

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Great fights last night, definately lived up to the hype.

Henderson is the man, way to shut that cocky brit up.

Clearly GSP and Silva are the top of the heap pound for pound. Alves is a warrior who kept coming and coming but he was just outclassed.

Lesner is just too big and too strong his walking around weight is around 290, he cuts to 265 and is back up to around 285 on fight night. That is a huge advantage over the 230 to 250 pound guys he is fighting. I dont think anyone currently in the UFC can hang with him. Mir landed 2 pretty big knees and Lesner wasnt affected by either one, he just continued to pick him up and slam him down like a rag doll.

The thing I love most about the UFC is there is no ducking, all the top fighters go at it. Its not about getting 10 warm up fights vs inferior opponents, like boxing, so you can eventually get a title shot. It is put up or shut up. Im talking to you Bisbing :)
 

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zrinkill;2839413 said:
Yup ..... its all an act. White knows he has to put some theatrics in ufc if he wants ratings.

Brock is playing the bad guy that everyone wants to hate.


Exactly. Brock has now positioned himself to be a draw in the way that Tito did, back when people actually cared about what Tito was doing and when Tito actually cared about being a fighter, by being the guy everyone loves to hate and will pay more and more money to see him get defeated.

I love it.

Last nights card absolutely delievered on the hype. All 3 of the top fights were everything I wanted and more. The other couple of fights they showed were actually quite solid as well so it was a great night of action.

- I was THRILLED that Hendo knocked Bisping onto another planet. LOVED IT. That was one of the best KO's I've ever seen. Brilliant.

- GSP is, without any doubts in my mind at this point, the best pound for pound fighter in the world. The way he continues to dominate everyone they put in front of him, even the kid who was suppose to be stronger, and is bigger, and he still just does his thing and totally dominates, despite having a messed up right elbow and doing something to his groin halfway through the fight.

The only real challenge on the horizon for GSP would be to move up to 185 and face Silva. I'd LOVE to see that fight.


- Brock Lesnar proved, without any doubt, that he is for real. Anyone who still thinks he can't fight is nothing more than a hater and just wants to see him fail anyway. He's now beaten two high quality fighters in Randy and Mir and did so convincingly on both of them.

Mir isn't Fedor, by any stretch, but Mir is certainly absolutely no slouch. He can fight and he's a great submission guy but Brock has learned a great way to eliminate that submission stuff he's not good at. He puts that big *** chest of his right against you, muscles you around, and there isn't much you can do about it.

He absolutely dominated Mir. Lesnar is only going to get better and better and right now I'm not sure if there is anyone, outside of Fedor, that can honestly be a real scare for Brock.
 

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CATCH17;2839614 said:
How many phenoms like Lesnar have come along?

Zero.

We're talking about a brute force. Not a highly skilled 245 pound fighter.


Mir is a better technician and you saw what that got him. A double cheeseburger looking face.

The problem with Brock is that he's all brute force and very little skill he looked more in control last night then he ever has in the past but there's a HUGE gap in skill from that to what Fedor can do. Fedor has fought some very big dudes in the past and the size and strength disadvantage posed no problems for him

Mir is not even in the same league as Fedor technique wise
 

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this "gsp is the p4p best fighter" crap needs to stop. who is in the welterweight division? nobody but a bunch of young guys who haven't done anything yet. until somebody beats Fedor Emelianenko he is the best fighter on the planet.
 

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LAS VEGAS – So Brock Lesnar, in the parlance of pro wrestling, had gone straight heel.
After bludgeoning Frank Mir to retain the Ultimate Fighting Championship heavyweight championship at the hyped UFC 100, the former pro wrestling star decided to put on a real show.
Lesnar ran around the octagon flipping off the Mandalay Bay Events Center crowd with both middle fingers. He shouted at Mir as the challenger sat on a stool trying to regain his equilibrium. Mir stood up and they went sort of nose-to-broken nose before Lesnar cackled with laughter.
In the post-fight interview, Lesnar encouraged the booing fans to “keep going” before continuing to taunt Mir.
No one and nothing was spared. Lesnar even turned his attention to the UFC itself, which paid him an estimated $3 million for the fight, pointing at the giant Bud Light advertisement in the middle of the octagon.
“I’m drinking a cooler full of Coors Light, Coors Light because Bud Light won’t pay me anything.”
Anything for the children at home, big guy?
“Hell, I might even get on top of my wife tonight.”
With his clown-show antics, Brock Lesnar just became the greatest villain in modern fighting. From refusing to tap gloves prefight in a sportsmanlike ritual to this over-the-top rant that came right out of the silly wrestling circus.

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“Straight WWE,” said a stunned Dana White, the president of the UFC. “Brock went so far over the top tonight I can’t even describe it. I don’t think in the history of the UFC we’ve ever done anything like that.”
Postfight, White pushed his way into Lesnar’s crowded locker room and took the big guy into the bathroom for a private “discussion.” Lesnar himself described it as “a whip-the-dog session.”
“With women in here you don’t want to know what I said,” White said. It worked, Brock showed up at the press conference smiling, supposedly contrite and even drinking a Bud Light.
“First and foremost I want to apologize,” Lesnar said. “I acted very unprofessionally after the fight. I screwed up and I apologize. I apologize to Bud Light. I’m not biased, I drink any beer.”
It was mostly a chance for laugh lines, but it was still an apology. Lesnar said the pent-up energy of avenging a loss to Mir caused him to go crazy. “I’m a sore loser,” he said. “I don’t like to get beat. I believe I gave that fight to him. So there was a lot of emotion in this fight for me.
“Man, I was so jacked up. I’m used to selling pay-per-view tickets. I come from a business that is purely the entertainment business.”
And so that was the excuse. Lesnar didn’t flip, he just flipped the switch back into Vince McMahon’s operation where nothing is too over the top. The UFC, however, is real and it has tried to position itself not as a blood sport but one based on sportsmanship and mutual respect.
Lesnar did the UFC no favors in that regard. And neither did veteran Dan Henderson, who dropped a vicious forearm smash on an already knocked out and prone Michael Bisping on the undercard. Henderson then admitted he did it on purpose to avenge prefight trash talk. The UFC even went on to award him its $100,000 “knockout of the night” bonus. White also gave Henderson a talking to, but Henderson still said it “felt good.”
The damage done to the UFC’s mainstream momentum remains to be seen. While some will be repulsed, others will be drawn in. It’s cage fighting, after all. Things get out of hand.
That this occurred on the promotion’s biggest night, when the numerical significance of the card was expected to bring in a large first-time audience, wasn’t appreciated by the UFC. The night was electric and highly entertaining. And while it is likely to most offend people who weren’t disposed to giving mixed martial arts a chance in the first place, White was aghast at Lesnar’s act. This isn’t what he built. This isn’t what he wanted.
“What he’s doing out there tonight is not real,” White said. “You don’t have to act like something you’re not. This isn’t the WWE. I don’t ask these guys to act crazy so we get more pay per views. That’s not the business I’m in.”
In the meantime, the cementing of Lesnar’s reputation as the promotion’s most hated man is done.
“Brock hasn’t made himself very loveable,” White said. “They hate Brock.” For the UFC, a classic villain is business gold. He’s the ultimate leading man for the organization. Some loathe him. Some love him. No one can ignore him. For those seeking his comeuppance however, there isn’t a WWE storyline that can be written to stop him.
Lost in the antics was Lesnar’s performance, a brilliant effort that showed both his growth as a mixed martial artist and the immense potential. The question becomes, who the heck can tame this mountain of a man from the Minnesota woods?
Shane Carwin? Cain Velasquez? Mir in a final chapter of a trilogy of fights? No doubt they’ll get a chance, and no doubt they stand a chance.
The greatest beneficiary of each Lesnar snarl, however, lives in Stary Oskol, Russia, a man named Fedor Emelianenko who is considered the No. 1 heavyweight (if not pound-for-pound fighter) in the world. If anyone has the knockout power to stop the 6-3, 265-pound Lesnar, it’s Emelianenko.
Fedor doesn’t fight in the UFC though. He’s with its rival promotion, Affliction. He’ll fight Aug. 1 in Anaheim, Calif., in what is the last match of his contract. Affliction is hoping to re-sign him until 2012, but the UFC will come hard after him. More now then ever. And that means money, big money.
“Eventually Fedor is going to be here,” White said. “I want Fedor. We’ll end up getting that deal done and then we’ll do Brock vs. Fedor and we’ll do a huge fight.”
Time will tell, but the pressure to sign the elusive Russian has been ratcheted up. A villain was born and there isn’t an obvious superhero in sight. The UFC brought Brock Lesnar over from the WWE for just this kind of a sensation. And the big man has delivered – the good, the bad and the embarrassing.
Only Dana White has no scriptwriters that can contain him.
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