UFC 116: Lesnar vs Carwin

zrinkill;3450602 said:
Oh really????


:lmao2:

Yes, really.

He didn't use brute strength he used an actual grappling move for the win.

He couldn't just bowl over Carwin like he did Mir and others.
 
Gotta love Brock... we definately need a rematch though.
 
Jed_70;3450608 said:
Yes, really.

He didn't use brute strength he used an actual grappling move for the win.

He couldn't just bowl over Carwin like he did Mir and others.

Bottom line, if Lesnar gets you on the ground and gains position, you are in big trouble. His strength and sheer size and hard to overcome. Carwin was gassed after round 1.
 
I'm gonna admit. I didn't like Brock because he was still in WWE mode after his last win.

MMA from what I have seen is about being respectful for the man across from you.

I don't care how much **** talk is thrown back and forth, I thought Brock disregarded the respect aspect after his last match. Likely that Mir would have done the same and I don't like him either.

Seeing Brock come out and show a little more respect makes it a little easier to root for the guy.
 
Jed_70;3450608 said:
Yes, really.

He didn't use brute strength he used an actual grappling move for the win.

He couldn't just bowl over Carwin like he did Mir and others.


No .... his brute strength turned a simple triangle choke (that Carwin would usually ignore) into a crushing move that was making Carwin pass out.

He actually won the fight faster than he beat Mir.
 
BrAinPaiNt;3450609 said:
I want to see a rematch.

I think it would go worse for Carwin next time.

Brock came out and thought he could trade blows in this match ...... he quickly learned he could not match Carwin in a punch out.

So he went back to ground and pound ..... and then submitted him.

If they fight again .... Brock will not be dumb enough to try and fight him upright.
 
How in the heck do you train under Greg Jackson and have the cardio of a 85 year old guy with emphysema?

One thing about it - if Shane ever gets his cardio down, no one, including Brock, wants a piece of that guy.

Brock was incredibly, incredibly lucky that fight did not get stopped. I know, he was covering up. But even still, that's a position where quite a few refs stop the fight because the fighter is not moving to intelligently defend himself. Just laying there absorbing punishment in one position is not defending yourself.

Another thing - Brock's striking showed as I assumed it would. Only one time did I see him even attempt to change a level, and it was half-hearted at that. Guy really, really needs to refine his striking because he will not always be as lucky as he was tonight. His ginormous head saved him tonight. :)

Cain and Brock is interesting. Cain is basically a 240lbs version of Carwin, except that Cain has shown he can go all day with his cardio. Can Cain somehow keep it off the ground? If he can, the fight becomes really, really interesting and will likely favor Cain.
 
I don't care what anyone says, Lesnar is scary. How many guys could weather those kinds of punches? Carwin is a puncher and when he couldn't put Brock away in the 1st I knew he was in big trouble.

Once Brock got the take down and was on top. I knew it was over. I suspected it would be ground and pound, but Brock was too worn from the beating he took in the 1st. I knew he was going to submit him. That was a fun fight.

I'd like to see a rematch.

Cain Velazquez is next. I like him, but he doesn't punch like Carwin and I think he will be in trouble. Lesnar is just a monster.

Cool to see him show some humility after the fight.
 
BigWillie;3450619 said:
Can Cain somehow keep it off the ground? If he can, the fight becomes really, really interesting and will likely favor Cain.

I do not think so ..... Brock is just to fast.
 
I think having 18 inch forearms also helped him coverup. There was a point in the end of the flurry where it was all arm Carwin was hitting.
 
zrinkill;3450621 said:
I do not think so ..... Brock is just to fast.

Well, lets be honest for a minute. Brock shot incredibly hard on Carwin and drove him into the cage, but could not get him down.

Brock got a gassed Carwin down easy in the 2nd round however.

Cain is a very, very, very accomplished wrestler. Also, Cain is extremely quick himself as evidenced in his past fights.

But like in every Brock fight, size will be the issue.
 
Jed_70;3450608 said:
Yes, really.

He didn't use brute strength he used an actual grappling move for the win.

He couldn't just bowl over Carwin like he did Mir and others.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/2010-07-04-ufc-116_N.htm

In his last fight against Frank Mir, Lesnar finished with an unrelenting assault of punches on the ground. This time, Carwin defended the punches well.

Then came the unexpected. Lesnar wrapped his arms around Carwin's neck and arm. Carwin appeared to have the choke well-defended. But Lesnar squeezed and forced the submission through brute strength.
 
Jed_70;3450598 said:
Lesnar is finding out the hard way that brute strength doesn't always work.

:laugh2:

If Brock takes you down, including Fedor, it's over.

He just beat the only guy who can match him physically after a year layoff.

It's over now. The best Heavyweight in the world is Brock Lesnar.
 
CATCH17;3450647 said:
:laugh2:

If Brock takes you down, including Fedor, it's over.

He just beat the only guy who can match him physically after a year layoff.

It's over now. The best Heavyweight in the world is Brock Lesnar.
Yep. Brock may not be the most talented heavyweight, but he is the most physically gifted one.
 
Cover 2;3450653 said:
Yep. Brock may not be the most talented heavyweight, but he is the most physically gifted one.

:huh:

Talented and physically gifted go together.
 
Cover 2;3450653 said:
Yep. Brock may not be the most talented heavyweight, but he is the most physically gifted one.

haha total contradiction but I get the pont.

He isn't the most technically sound heavyweight.
 

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