UFC 116: Lesnar vs Carwin

[CATCH17]

Carwin made the mistake of thinking Brock was just going to be another of those first round victims.

When he was fresh, his takedown defense was good, and he was pretty much dictating the fight. As soon as he got gassed it was over.

They really could have stopped the fight early, but it was for the belt so you knew that wasn't going to happen. No point arguing about it. I was definately surprised by the fact that Lesnar basically started running and cowering when he couldn't take Carwin down initially, it looked to me like he was panicking.

I think Cain is more disciplined than Carwin, so he's not going to gas himself but I don't see how he can get out of a bad position if he ends up on the ground with Brock on top of him.

Cain doesn't stand a chance.

He can't match up with Brock physically + Brock knocked off the ring rust last night.

The only reason Carwin stood a chance is because he is a bull himself.

If Brock gets on top of you it's over. Even if your name is Fedor.

 

[jchap]

God forbid these guys condition properly to go more than one round. Still too many amature meat heads in MMA. The same thing happened in the middleweight fight.

 

[zrinkill]

Yeah, obvious to oblivious Brock fanboys. Brock going into a fetal position means well defended? Brock himself said he didn't know where he was and he thought the ref was about to stop it on ESPN.

Brock never said that .... stop making crap up to try and prove your point.

Brock had that barrage very well defended ..... even Shane said he new he was not doing any damage when he got him against the cage.

 

[Doomsday]

God forbid these guys condition properly to go more than one round. Still too many amature meat heads in MMA. The same thing happened in the middleweight fight.

That is still the biggest hurdle of MMA, but the more popular the sport becomes the more top notch athletes you will see in it. It always amazes me how someone who wants to do this as a career could be so out of shape.

Carwin was clearly the more accomplished fighter but that doesnt mean jack if you get gassed half way through round one.

 

[neosapien23]

Where did I say if a guy is on his back it means fight over? Leben was not in the fetal position getting pounded with a bunch of unprotected shots and not intelligently defending himself. Big difference between having someone in your closed guard and being in the fetal position.

Dude quit crying because Lesnar won the biggest fight of his young career and your boy Fedor laid an egg against a much less dangerous opponent than Carwin. Right now Lesnar is the undisputed number 1 heavy weight in the world and will be until Fedor steps in the ring against him. Yes Lesnar was getting pounded in the 1st, but he never went limp. Frank Mir took way more punishment than Lesnar did and the ref let it go until he was completely flattened by Carwin.

 

[neosapien23]

That is still the biggest hurdle of MMA, but the more popular the sport becomes the more top notch athletes you will see in it. It always amazes me how someone who wants to do this as a career could be so out of shape.

Carwin was clearly the more accomplished fighter but that doesnt mean jack if you get gassed half way through round one.

Carwin is too smart for his own good. If he ever wants to be the best heavyweight in the world, he is going to have to give up his engineering job and focus solely on MMA. I find it amazing that someone who hasn't fought in over a year and had a serious disease was in better shape than someone who has been keeping busy. Lesnar won this fight because he was in much better shape.

 

[Hostile]

I'm guessing the one finger salutes didn't come out this time?

Here's what he said.

"This isn't about me tonight," said Lesnar, who made his first appearance in nearly a year. "This is about my family. This is about my doctors. This is about my training partners, my training staff. I am blessed by God. Ladies and gentlemen, I stand before you a humble champion. And I'm still the toughest SOB around, baby."

 

[Hostile]

Where did I say if a guy is on his back it means fight over? Leben was not in the fetal position getting pounded with a bunch of unprotected shots and not intelligently defending himself. Big difference between having someone in your closed guard and being in the fetal position.

No matter how you spin it, you are wrong. It's wrong to call people fanboys just because you don't like Lesnar, and you are wrong about stopping the fight. The announcers didn't even think it was going to be stopped. In fact they said he was punching himself out. Yeah, he landed some shots. No duh. No one misses every shot and the guy on the bottom always has to defend himself and Brock had to. You are wrong. Period.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Here's what he said.

"This isn't about me tonight," said Lesnar, who made his first appearance in nearly a year. "This is about my family. This is about my doctors. This is about my training partners, my training staff. I am blessed by God. Ladies and gentlemen, I stand before you a humble champion. And I'm still the toughest SOB around, baby."

I'm very happy to read that. Sounds like he finally got an attitude adjustment and appreciates things a lot more.

 

[Cover 2]

God forbid these guys condition properly to go more than one round. Still too many amature meat heads in MMA. The same thing happened in the middleweight fight.

Regarding heavyweight fights they're naturally going to gas faster because of their size.

 

[CATCH17]

What I want to know is what fighters are going to do when Lesnar puts that big arm around you and controls your head.

So far he has knocked out Mir from that position and he has submitted Carwin.

That may very well be the most difficult thing to escape from in MMA right now.





Sorry Fedor

 

[TheCount]

That is still the biggest hurdle of MMA, but the more popular the sport becomes the more top notch athletes you will see in it. It always amazes me how someone who wants to do this as a career could be so out of shape.

Carwin was clearly the more accomplished fighter but that doesnt mean jack if you get gassed half way through round one.

I don't think it's always an issue of being in shape.

You can be in great shape and still get gassed easily, just because fighting cardio is different from regular cardio.

Brock and Carwin might be able to run all day on a treadmill, but that's very different conditioning from an actual fight. It's always harder when you have all that meat to pump blood through too.

But yeah, in general the lighter weight guys put on better fights. Some of the WEC fights are balls to the wall the whole bout. I can't wait for the UFC to officially absorb them, I think people will be shocked by how exciting those fights are.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't think it's always an issue of being in shape.

You can be in great shape and still get gassed easily, just because fighting cardio is different from regular cardio.

Brock and Carwin might be able to run all day on a treadmill, but that's very different conditioning from an actual fight. It's always harder when you have all that meat to pump blood through too.

Carwin trains in Rashads camp so its hard to believe he would have terrible cardio.

I think your right about his fighting cardio.

 

[neosapien23]

Carwin trains in Rashads camp so its hard to believe he would have terrible cardio.

I think your right about his fighting cardio.

I don't think Carwin trained as hard as Lesnar. All Lesnar does is fight. That's how he feeds his family. Carwin on the other hand is very intelligent and is an engineer. How many hours did Carwin work a day during his training camp? Brock took a beating in the first round and yet he looked better than Carwin who was completely gassed. I understand that big guys tire easier but it was obvious that Lesnar was in better condition.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't think Carwin trained as hard as Lesnar. All Lesnar does is fight. That's how he feeds his family. Carwin on the other hand is very intelligent and is an engineer. How many hours did Carwin work a day during his training camp? Brock took a beating in the first round and yet he looked better than Carwin who was completely gassed. I understand that big guys tire easier but it was obvious that Lesnar was in better condition.

Oh yeah I agree.

Outside of Lesnars athleticism his cardio may be he 2nd best attribute.

For a guy that big he doesn't wear out.

 

[zrinkill]

Oh yeah I agree.

Outside of Lesnars athleticism his cardio may be he 2nd best attribute.

For a guy that big he doesn't wear out.

Years of fake wrestling 30 minute matches with guys as big as him had to help

 

[CATCH17]

Years of fake wrestling 30 minute matches with guys as big as him had to help

That and he conditions himself like a mad man.

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[Rampage]

guys, Carwin(a 270 pound man) has never let an opponent out of the 1st round. he hurt Lesnar like he has all his other opponents and proceeded to give everything he had for 3 and a half minutes to try and finish him off. If any of you have a punching bag go punch it with everything you have for 3 and a half minutes without stopping. then rest for 1 minute and start doing it again and tell me you seriously aren't gassed.

 

[Ren]

Years of fake wrestling 30 minute matches with guys as big as him had to help

I can think of a few other things that probably helped too, at least he didn't roidrage after the fight this time.

He won't have that belt very long unless he learns to fight standing, he reminds of of Coleman back in the day

 

[Cover 2]

guys, Carwin(a 270 pound man) has never let an opponent out of the 1st round. he hurt Lesnar like he has all his other opponents and proceeded to give everything he had for 3 and a half minutes to try and finish him off. If any of you have a punching bag go punch it with everything you have for 3 and a half minutes without stopping. then rest for 1 minute and start doing it again and tell me you seriously aren't gassed.

Good point. Also everything takes cardio in MMA. Trying to get the takedown and defending the takedown require more cardio than most people realize. Also the ground game tires you out even more than the stand up (at least it does me), because it's a constant battle for position.

MMA requires multiple kinds of cardio. You have to have long distance cardio, you have to be able to go in spurts, and your muscles can't tire out from constantly being worked.