UFC 194

[CATCH17]

It may be easy.

If it's that easy though then you're saying these guys, like Aldo, who've tested positive are simply stupid people then.

Either way in MMA I give the fighters the benefit of the doubt. That's just a personal deal for me, I realize this, but I will give the fighter credit for being clean until he's caught. Now once they catch you, even if they only catch them once, I will never give that fighter the benefit of the doubt again. That's just how I approach it with those guys.


Now that said...I don't know how anyone whose been paying attention to the lead up of this McGregor vs Aldo fight honestly thought Aldo was going to win. I really don't know how people believed that. If you're an Aldo fan (or even if you're not and you just pay attention to top level MMA at all) you should have realized, a couple of months ago at least, that Aldo was defeated.

It was clear as day.

Aldo is TERRIBLE at the mental aspect of MMA and McGregor completely played the dude right into fighting the kind of fight McGregor wanted. A stand up, try to knock him out fight.

That's a stupid thing for Aldo to try and do. Flat out stupid.

And then Aldo goes in there and does EXACTLY what you don't do. He missed, big time, with a right hand that left his face wide open for McGregor's big left.

Now unless you're an idiot, or you really don't pay attention to MMA at all (Which I assume Aldo isn't an idiot, and he does pay attention to his job), then you know the last thing you're going to do with McGregor is get sloppy and leave yourself open for an uncontested left hand.

Yet there Aldo was doing the one thing that you absolutely don't do with McGregor.

Mentally beaten before he ever even stepped into the cage.


Weidman vs Rockhold....wow. Both guys are monsters. I'd definitely be interested in another fight between those two. Weidman made that mental error with that kick, that I thought he threw very lazy in the first place, and it cost him. I don't know if he was winning the fight till then but it was a close fight until that point.

Both guys are damn good MMA fighters, in the primes, and I'm interested in seeing where they both go from here.

I don't expect these guys to know exactly how and when to dose but I expect the people in their camp who have experience with it to show them how to do it at not get caught.

That is why I don't think guys like Anderson Silva are dumb just because they get caught.


But I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt when it's clear.

The human body on it's own is not going to have a shredded hard look.

Females are not going to naturally have shredded delts and giant traps. IT's just not possible.

I would say most of the top athletes in all sports dose so I don't really get too upset with one of them when they mess up and get caught.

IMO, basketball is probably the cleanest sport as far as drugs go.


Fighting, Olympic, football, and baseball is just littered with it and im fine with it to be honest.

 

[CATCH17]

I thought if Aldo fought smart and knew he couldn't trade with McGregor that he would obviously have an advantage on the ground. He'd have a chance. They still start each round standing up though so I still would pick McGregor.

But I knew without any doubt that idiot didn't respect McGregor and actually thought he'd beat him up. Not happening. He could finish you with smacks, he's that much more advanced of a striker. This isn't Faber or Hominick or Lamas or Edgar. This was a whole different beast you've never faced before. The 13 seconds was just circumstance but that exchange would have happened at some point. It was inevitable. McGregor is a master of range and distance, can blast you moving forward or backing up and packs WW power in the FW division. He's got a chin made of granite having just absorbed with ease multiple bombs from the supposed biggest puncher in the division.

I know it stings these purists but Aldo is simply outclassed here. Everything you thought you knew about MMA collapsed before the feet of the new King. Before Bruce Buffer could sit down. I love it.

lol Whatever man.


I think everyone going in knew McGregor had the knockout power.


I picked Aldo to win by decision but if the fight stopped it would be because McGregor stopped it.

If they fought again I would pick the same thing.

We still haven't seen McGregor vs Aldo.

We saw a guy that hadn't lost in 10 years get luckily knocked out in 13 seconds.



Now watch Dana White run scared from Aldo now that they have the title on their boy. Any other champion that had that type of reign would for sure get a rematch.


I'm not a fan of Aldo or McGregor. I just want to actually see these 2 fight and I feel like I was cheated out of it.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I don't expect these guys to know exactly how and when to dose but I expect the people in their camp who have experience with it to show them how to do it at not get caught.

That is why I don't think guys like Anderson Silva are dumb just because they get caught.


But I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt when it's clear.

The human body on it's own is not going to have a shredded hard look.

Females are not going to naturally have shredded delts and giant traps. IT's just not possible.

I would say most of the top athletes in all sports dose so I don't really get too upset with one of them when they mess up and get caught.

IMO, basketball is probably the cleanest sport as far as drugs go.


Fighting, Olympic, football, and baseball is just littered with it and im fine with it to be honest.

And I have no problem with that.

 

[CATCH17]

I am definitely thrilled McGregor won. I like him a lot.

He's got amazing striking ability. It's the power, of course, but to me it's the accuracy and effectiveness of which he throws his punches. They're not wasted. They're not wasted motions or just thrown for the sake of throwing a punch.

He's deadly accurate with his strikes. It's amazing.

He's got an incredible understanding of the striking side of MMA. Similar to Holly Holm.


IMO, McGregor looks awful after he cuts. I wonder if he feels as bad as he looks. That is why I think he should go up to 155.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

He's got an incredible understanding of the striking side of MMA. Similar to Holly Holm.


IMO, McGregor looks awful after he cuts. I wonder if he feels as bad as he looks. That is why I think he should go up to 155.

Yeah it doesn't look like it feels great. lol.

I believe he plans on some time in the 155 division. At least from listening to him he seems like he wants to step up and take on that division as well.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Well I won money on rockhold but I didn't dare to bet against aldo so I missed out on a lot more lol.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I thought he would win going in.
I think if they had 5 rematches he would win the majority if not all of them.

However 13 seconds in the first round is no indication that anyone dominated anyone. Heck anyone can get lucky with a knockout punch.

Again...not saying he is not better, not saying he could or would not win...but it would have been nice to see him school aldo for a round or so before the knock out so nobody can say...he he got hit with a lucky shot...which was the case in this match.

I am sure others have seen plenty of fights where anyone can win with one punch...I have seen some fights where a fighter pretty much gets dominated for a few rounds and the other guy lands a lucky punch and knocks him out.

I get it, it is part of the sport and with some fighters that is what they have (Big Country and Older Iceman come to mind) ...but a knock out in the first 13 seconds of a match is not really mufh of a match. This was not a Rousey Holmes match where it was clear who was dominating who before it ended.

And I also agree that the drug tests are now hurting the Brazilians. All of a sudden they just do not seem to be as dominant and unbeatable as they used to for some reason wink wink.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

There was no 'luck' in that KO.

He has KO power in his left hand, every time he throws it.

When Aldo swings with that right and completely misses, leaving himself wide open to that counter left, it's not 'luck' that McGregor KO'd him.

It's taking complete advantage of the opening that Aldo left him.

 

[CATCH17]

There was no 'luck' in that KO.

He has KO power in his left hand, every time he throws it.

When Aldo swings with that right and completely misses, leaving himself wide open to that counter left, it's not 'luck' that McGregor KO'd him.

It's taking complete advantage of the opening that Aldo left him.

It was luck that he knocked him out in 13 seconds.

You don't hold the title for 10 years and lose it in 13 seconds without a lot of luck involved.

Of Course McGregor has knockout power. We all know this.

We still haven't seen McGregor and Aldo have an MMA fight.



Any UFC fighter would get an immediate rematch given the circumstances but im guessing the UFC runs away from it because they know Aldo could beat their new cash cow.

I just want to see the 2 of them actually fight and I feel very cheated.



Matt Sera can knockout GSP..Silva can lose to Weidman, Rousey can lose to Holm, so on and so on and they all get immediate rematches. Aldo deserves the same treatment.

 

[tyke1doe]

We saw a guy that hadn't lost in 10 years get luckily knocked out in 13 seconds.



Now watch Dana White run scared from Aldo now that they have the title on their boy. Any other champion that had that type of reign would for sure get a rematch.

I wouldn't call it a lucky punch. It was a very skilled punch. Any punch delivered at the right time and right place can knock a person out. But not everyone can execute such a punch at the right time and right place.

McGregor did, and calling his punch "lucky" after he predicted that's exactly how it would happen (which suggests he studied Aldo and knew his weaknesses and what to do to expose him) is far from lucky and disrespects his skill, preparation and execution.

 

[tyke1doe]

And I also agree that the drug tests are now hurting the Brazilians. All of a sudden they just do not seem to be as dominant and unbeatable as they used to for some reason wink wink.

The Brazilians used to be virtually unbeatable in Pride. Then when the organization folded, and they moved over to the UFC, Brazilian champions like Shogun Rua, Belfort, Rizzo, Wanderlei Siliva, and Nog were schooled too easily compared to their former dominance.

Right then, that told me they were juicing. The fall was precipitous and suspicious.

 

[CATCH17]

I wouldn't call it a lucky punch. It was a very skilled punch. Any punch delivered at the right time and right place can knock a person out. But not everyone can execute such a punch at the right time and right place.

McGregor did, and calling his punch "lucky" after he predicted that's exactly how it would happen (which suggests he studied Aldo and knew his weaknesses and what to do to expose him) is far from lucky and disrespects his skill, preparation and execution.

McGregor said he would win in the first round. Fair enough. Winning in 13 seconds is luck.

There was no exposing or any of this. He hit Aldo hard enough to knock him out within 13 seconds. That's all it was.

We still have no clue as to who is better between the 2. It's pure luck that Mcgregor ended it in 13 seconds.

 

[tyke1doe]

McGregor said he would win in the first round. Fair enough. Winning in 13 seconds is luck.

There was no exposing or any of this. He hit Aldo hard enough to knock him out within 13 seconds. That's all it was.

We still have no clue as to who is better between the 2. It's pure luck that Mcgregor ended it in 13 seconds.

No, it's not luck. It's skill.
No fighter in 10 years could knock Jose Aldo out.
Here comes Connor, who practices striking at the right angles with precision.
If Jose Aldo or even Connor McGregor stood in front of you or me and allowed us one shot, we could take them out (if we knew where to hit them, and I would punch them straight in the temple).
That's not luck. That's knowing where to hit them.

You add to that the fact that they are trained and skilled fighters who aren't trying to get hit and the fact someone can avoid their attack and perfectly target a punch to their face. THAT AINT LUCK.

And I thought the goal of a fight is to win. Who cares if it ends in 13 seconds or 13 minutes?

If Connor is throwing precise punches with 13 seconds and knocks Aldo out, what's he going to do in 1,300 seconds?

No, it aint luck. At least not to me, and I have experience in kickboxing fighting.

 

[CATCH17]

No, it's not luck. It's skill.
No fighter in 10 years could knock Jose Aldo out.
Here comes Connor, who practices striking at the right angles with precision.
If Jose Aldo or even Connor McGregor stood in front of you or me and allowed us one shot, we could take them out (if we knew where to hit them, and I would punch them straight in the temple).
That's not luck. That's knowing where to hit them.

You add to that the fact that they are trained and skilled fighters who aren't trying to get hit and the fact someone can avoid their attack and perfectly target a punch to their face. THAT AINT LUCK.

And I thought the goal of a fight is to win. Who cares if it ends in 13 seconds or 13 minutes?

If Connor is throwing precise punches with 13 seconds and knocks Aldo out, what's he going to do in 1,300 seconds?

No, it aint luck. At least not to me, and I have experience in kickboxing fighting.

Plenty of fighters could've knocked Aldo out.


Knocking out a 10 year champion in the quickest time in ufc history is luck.

I'm not denying Mcgregors skill or any of that. He is a great fighter and everyone knew he had knockout power. Knocking out Aldo in 13 seconds is luck.

We have yet to see these 2 actually fight.

 

[tyke1doe]

Plenty of fighters could've knocked Aldo out.

But none did not save McGregor. Never compare a hypothetical with an actual. You lose every time.

Knocking out a 10 year champion in the quickest time in ufc history is luck.

Define "luck". I like the Jimmy Johnson definition: "Luck: when preparation meets opportunity."

I'm not denying Mcgregors skill or any of that. He is a great fighter and everyone knew he had knockout power. Knocking out Aldo in 13 seconds is luck.

Why is it luck? Because he did it in 13 seconds as opposed to 13 minutes? Explain to me why time matters in luck?

We have yet to see these 2 actually engage in a long fight.

FTFY. We HAVE seen them fight. It isn't Connor's fault that Aldo couldn't live up to his side of the contest.

 

[CATCH17]

But none did not save McGregor. Never compare a hypothetical with an actual. You lose every time.



Define "luck". I like the Jimmy Johnson definition: "Luck: when preparation meets opportunity."



Why is it luck? Because he did it in 13 seconds as opposed to 13 minutes? Explain to me why time matters in luck?



FTFY. We HAVE seen them fight. It isn't Connor's fault that Aldo couldn't live up to his side of the contest.

Do I really have to explain why time matters?


McGregor may very well knockout Aldo in a rematch but a 13 second knockout to any fighter much less Aldo takes some luck.

Regardless.. Luck or not.. The fans deserve to see these 2 actually have a legit fight and rematch this thing. Not just the fans but Aldo deserves a rematch based on how they have gave fighters who got picked apart for an entire fight like Rousey a rematch.


Had Holly Holm knocked out Rousey in 13 seconds all we would hear is how lucky it was. McGregor does it to Aldo and it's just skill. Whatever. Just rematch the thing please and don't make me watch McGregor beat down a mismatched Edgar.

 

[tyke1doe]

Do I really have to explain why time matters?

Uh, yes.

McGregor may very well knockout Aldo in a rematch but a 13 second knockout to any fighter much less Aldo takes some luck.

Or precision. I'm sorry, but I don't see the difference between luck and precision in this case.

Regardless.. Luck or not.. The fans deserve to see these 2 actually have a legit fight and rematch this thing. Not just the fans but Aldo deserves a rematch based on how they have gave fighters who got picked apart for an entire fight like Rousey a rematch.

I don't have any problems with a rematch.

Had Holly Holm knocked out Rousey in 13 seconds all we would hear is how lucky it was. McGregor does it to Aldo and it's just skill. Whatever. Just rematch the thing please and don't make me watch McGregor beat down a mismatched Edgar.

Again, you're comparing a hypothetical with an actual. We don't know what people would have said had Holm dispatched Rousey in 13 seconds.
As is, they're talking about a rematch after Holm obliterated Rousey. Is "luck" an issue or giving Rousey a second chance or making more money?
I say it's an issue of making more money. The luck issue is what sells the fight. People want to see if what Connor did was a "fluke" or the real deal. So I can see your point from a marketing standpoint. But I still say it wasn't luck as much as Connor was supremely confident in his ability and his study of Aldo and knew he could catch him with a left. I mean, he basically SAID what he would do and carried it out to perfection.

That aint luck in my book.

 

[BAZ]

Pretty sad people are clinging to calling it lucky.




He's done it before. You lung in like an idiot to a skilled striker and you will get caught. Not luck, just stupidity on the person being knocked out.

A rematch will obviously go different but it will be interesting to see how Aldo bounces back from the loss.

 

[CATCH17]

Pretty sad people are clinging to calling it lucky.




He's done it before. You lung in like an idiot to a skilled striker and you will get caught. Not luck, just stupidity on the person being knocked out.

A rematch will obviously go different but it will be interesting to see how Aldo bounces back from the loss.

Imo it's the same as before.. If it goes to decision then Aldo wins... If there is a stoppage then Mcgregor wins.

 

[Risen Star]

Pretty sad people are clinging to calling it lucky.




He's done it before. You lung in like an idiot to a skilled striker and you will get caught. Not luck, just stupidity on the person being knocked out.

A rematch will obviously go different but it will be interesting to see how Aldo bounces back from the loss.

Just laugh at the desperation.

The rematch would only be different in the time of the knockout.