Ufc 97

[Hostile]

whoa, whoa, whoa! ease up don't be getting all hostile. I was just passing along some info.

And all I have been doing in the thread is saying I think the fight was boring, by both guys. If my opinion doesn't matter because I am a neophyte then don't respond to me.

I'm trying to enjoy the sport, not acting like some kind of friggin' expert.

 

[Rampage]

And all I have been doing in the thread is saying I think the fight was boring, by both guys. If my opinion doesn't matter because I am a neophyte then don't respond to me.

I'm trying to enjoy the sport, not acting like some kind of friggin' expert.

dude! what are you getting all worked up about? i just said i was passing along some info. only 4 more days man, hang in there

 

[Dallas]

This thread is rediculous. Look at you so called MMA experts. You are more worked up by Hos saying the fight was boring than the entire card being a complete waste of 50$.


Who's the one getting worked up here? I don't see it being Hostile.


He just said it was a boring fight and it was one of the most boring fights ive seen all year.


Yes I watch - all the time.


No I don't want to dance w/ you on the forums over it. Fans are to fanatical about this stuff.

 

[Hostile]

This thread is rediculous. Look at you so called MMA experts. You are more worked up by Hos saying the fight was boring than the entire card being a complete waste of 50$.


Who's the one getting worked up here? I don't see it being Hostile.


He just said it was a boring fight and it was one of the most boring fights ive seen all year.


Yes I watch - all the time.


No I don't want to dance w/ you on the forums over it. Fans are to fanatical about this stuff.

Thank you. You'd think I insulted mothers or something.

 

[TheCount]

This thread is rediculous. Look at you so called MMA experts. You are more worked up by Hos saying the fight was boring than the entire card being a complete waste of 50$.


Who's the one getting worked up here? I don't see it being Hostile.


He just said it was a boring fight and it was one of the most boring fights ive seen all year.


Yes I watch - all the time.


No I don't want to dance w/ you on the forums over it. Fans are to fanatical about this stuff.

I don't really think anyone is worked up, just stating their opinions.

If you got suckered into paying for pay per view, that's your own beef.

There's nothing they could put on pay per view that would convince me to shell out 50 bucks for a few hours of programming.

 

[CATCH17]

This thread is rediculous. Look at you so called MMA experts. You are more worked up by Hos saying the fight was boring than the entire card being a complete waste of 50$.


Who's the one getting worked up here? I don't see it being Hostile.


He just said it was a boring fight and it was one of the most boring fights ive seen all year.


Yes I watch - all the time.


No I don't want to dance w/ you on the forums over it. Fans are to fanatical about this stuff.

* drops to back Leites style *

 

[CATCH17]

I don't really think anyone is worked up, just stating their opinions.

If you got suckered into paying for pay per view, that's your own beef.

There's nothing they could put on pay per view that would convince me to shell out 50 bucks for a few hours of programming.

You gotta watch those payperviews with other people and divi it up.

If that isn't an option then its definetely not worth 50 unless its a super payperview with your favorite fighter.

 

[TheCount]

You gotta watch those payperviews with other people and divi it up.

If that isn't an option then its definetely not worth 50 unless its a super payperview with your favorite fighter.

Yeah, I usually go to a bar or something. I've split it with people before and I didn't even think the 10 bucks I had to pay was worth it, I just can't mentally justifying paying more money than I already pay for cable to watch something on my television.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wow...I don't see where anyone has gotten worked up. Just adding their opinions or thoughts on it.

I also don't recall anyone in here claiming they were an MMA expert.

I know that at least for my part I never said Hos was wrong, or that he was stupid, for thinking it was a boring fight. It was.

I was just engaging in convo, that's all.


As for the 50 dollars I don't worry about things like that. I didn't pay to see it anyway. I watch them for free.

 

[TheCount]

And all I have been doing in the thread is saying I think the fight was boring, by both guys. If my opinion doesn't matter because I am a neophyte then don't respond to me.

I'm trying to enjoy the sport, not acting like some kind of friggin' expert.

Well that's not all your were saying exactly. I believe you proclaimed them sissies, fraidy-cats, and declared Silva should be an undercard in his next match in big, bold, red print.

 

[Hostile]

Well that's not all your were saying exactly. I believe you proclaimed them sissies, fraidy-cats, and declared Silva should be an undercard in his next match in big, bold, red print.

Actually, no I didn't. I went back and brought back my negative comments and I will make it a lot easier to translate. From here it is entirely up to you to read it correctly and grasp my comments. It is no longer on me.

He wanted to kitty cat slap at his hands and throw very few punches? It was over a minute and a half into the first round before either of them did more than just dance around each other.

He dominated a sissy. Big deal. I admit to being a neophyte or casual fan. There was nothing about that fight other than the commentator's glowing praise of Silva's past fights that was exciting. It was my first time to see the guy fight. I wish I had got my wish. I saw a lot of dancing, one guy afraid to fight standing up and another afraid to fight if the other guy was flat on his back.

Not impressed.

Who did I call a sissy? The guy who got dominated.

I have no doubt the guy is one impressive fighter. Last night he was not. Like I said, he "whipped" a sissy. Big deal.

I do admit he was slick in avoiding a couple of takedowns. He also was not interested in fighting the man while he was flat on his back.

Yawn.

Praise for Silva and once again I call Leites a sissy, not Silva.

Because I have heard so much about him. He was going to drop my jaw he was so good.

Didn't happen. I think Leites was disgraceful.

Once again, where am I focusing the lion's share of the blame? Seems to be a theme here.

I watched it. It is impressive. He seemed like he wanted to put Leites away, but only if he could do it his way. I think it would have been more impressive to simply pu thim away whatever it took. 5 rounds against a guy who clearly did not want to fight was hard to watch.

Speaking of the Silva highlight video. I said it is impressive. I still maintain the fight I saw was not. It was boring. Who is the guy who did not want to fight that I speak about? Leites clearly.

Apparently Dana White agrees with me. His next fight would be on an undercard if it was up to me.

This is in direct response to the undercard accusation. If I were in Dana White's shoes and pissed that 2 straight fights were lackluster, I would put him on an undercard. I would. Me. Not saying he should be. It is what I would do. To send a message.

I cannot get any clearer than that.

I didn't ignore what he said.

I just don't agree with him.

I am not saying the guy isn't skilled. I am saying that fight was not impressive.

Again, I clarify it. I undestand he is skilled. I just did not enjoy the fight.

And all I have been doing in the thread is saying I think the fight was boring, by both guys. If my opinion doesn't matter because I am a neophyte then don't respond to me.

I'm trying to enjoy the sport, not acting like some kind of friggin' expert.

That is the gist of my entire opinion in this thread. Boring fight. I feel let down. I expected to see a warrior and I did not. My opinion as an admitted neophyte.

Nowhere in this thread have I disrespected the great Anderson Silva other than to say he fought a boring fight and did not impress me. I did not call him a Sissy. I called the other guy one. The most critical of him I think you can pin on me is my commentary that he took forever to throw punches. It was a full 1:30 into the 1st round before either guy threw a punch or kick. All they did was feint and dance. That doesn't impress me.

If this isn't clear now, oh well...I at least tried.

 

[TheCount]

Good lord man relax, I was just giving you a hard time.

 

[BigWillie]

He wanted to kitty cat slap at his hands and throw very few punches? It was over a minute and a half into the first round before either of them did more than just dance around each other.

He dominated a sissy. Big deal. I admit to being a neophyte or casual fan. There was nothing about that fight other than the commentator's glowing praise of Silva's past fights that was exciting. It was my first time to see the guy fight. I wish I had got my wish. I saw a lot of dancing, one guy afraid to fight standing up and another afraid to fight if the other guy was flat on his back.

Not impressed.

If Silva were to take the fight to the ground, he is more than capable of holding his own against Leites. Anderson received his black belt from the Noguiera's, which is almost as high an honor as you can possibly get. And if you are wondering, there is a complete difference in who you train with and the type of level you need to be at to receive a higher belt. You could train with a local nobody and be a black belt, while under someone like Eddie Bravo you may only be a purple belt.

But the thing is, Leites is every bit the fighter and even better that Silva is on the ground. However, on the feet, there are few who can even come close to matching Silva. Why would Silva go to the ground and give Leites his only chance in the match when he can keep the fight standing which he will completely dominate?

Unfortunately for Leites, fights do not start on the ground, they start on the feet. And if you want the fight to go to the ground against a fighter like Silva, you have to be willing to get in, take a few shots, then pull guard or go for the takedown. You cannot be afraid of his power and striking, otherwise, you are fighting afraid.

Could you imagine someone like Couture saying, "hey you, come lay down over here so I don't get hit so that I can get the fight where I want it." :laugh1:

I truly believe Silva is just flat bored with the competition and I understand why. There is no one, save for Demian Maia (who has the best BJJ in all of MMA) being able to pull guard, who honestly has the slightest chance against him.

My suggestion -- put his next fight at 205 against someone like Brandon Vera. With Vera you have someone who was a HW, but has the speed of a MW and muay thai abilities that can give Silva a definite challenge. And if Silva can get through that, convince Randy Couture he has one mega-fight left in him at 205 against Anderson.

 

[Rampage]

time to close this thread. ufc 98 will be here soon.

 

[Ren]

time to close this thread. ufc 98 will be here soon.

too much entertainment in the last 2-3 pages, pleas keep it going until Saturday :laugh1:

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Ramp who you got at 98? Rashad or Machida?

 

[CATCH17]

If Silva were to take the fight to the ground, he is more than capable of holding his own against Leites. Anderson received his black belt from the Noguiera's, which is almost as high an honor as you can possibly get. And if you are wondering, there is a complete difference in who you train with and the type of level you need to be at to receive a higher belt. You could train with a local nobody and be a black belt, while under someone like Eddie Bravo you may only be a purple belt.



I truly believe Silva is just flat bored with the competition and I understand why. There is no one, save for Demian Maia (who has the best BJJ in all of MMA) being able to pull guard, who honestly has the slightest chance against him.

My suggestion -- put his next fight at 205 against someone like Brandon Vera. With Vera you have someone who was a HW, but has the speed of a MW and muay thai abilities that can give Silva a definite challenge. And if Silva can get through that, convince Randy Couture he has one mega-fight left in him at 205 against Anderson.

They will either have to make Silva fight Dan Henderson again, Let GSP fight up a class, or fight @ 205.

 

[Rampage]

Ramp who you got at 98? Rashad or Machida?

I have no idea. I think it's gonna be a real boring fight early on(kinda lkike this Leites-Silva fight that just happened) cause neither guy likes to engage and it's for the title so both guys will be extra cautious. I just hope Rampage beats the crap out of the winner and gets his belt back.

 

[BigWillie]

They will either have to make Silva fight Dan Henderson again, Let GSP fight up a class, or fight @ 205.

Dan doesn't want any part of Anderson again. Dan was able to fight his type of fight against Anderson, keeping the majority of the fight on the ground or with him pressing Anderson against the cage looking for takedowns. Still, with the iron chin Dan has, he got caught and dropped by Anderson before he got choked out.

If Dan was not able to beat Anderson, I do not see how a smaller GSP can. Although I would love to see the fight would be a huge draw and I would still love to see it myself.

 

[CATCH17]

Dan doesn't want any part of Anderson again. Dan was able to fight his type of fight against Anderson, keeping the majority of the fight on the ground or with him pressing Anderson against the cage looking for takedowns. Still, with the iron chin Dan has, he got caught and dropped by Anderson before he got choked out.

If Dan was not able to beat Anderson, I do not see how a smaller GSP can. Although I would love to see the fight would be a huge draw and I would still love to see it myself.

I heard GSP walks around at 205 and Anderson walks around 215.

GSP may actually be better at 185 than welterweight. Maybe.

The only type of fighter I can see beating Anderson is a wrestler so thats why I said Dan Henderson.

Wanderlei at 185 would be interesting too.

If Machida doesn't win the 205 title than Anderson may eventually fight Reshad or Rampage for that title too.


None of the regular 185 guys can beat him though.
























Does anyone know what weight Bisping and Henderson are going to fight at?