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Rampage;2736797 said:
just be glad you didn't shell out 50 bucks for that
itst why i go to sports bars 2 drink min and a free fight

Hostile;2736819 said:
BTW, the top 5 I've seen so far are probably these guys.

1. George St. Pierre...I've already stated why.

2. Lyota Machida...He put on a clinic. Never lost a round? Unreal. Thiago couldn't even hit him.

3. Fedor Emelianenko...pure explosion and devastating results.

4. Frank Mir...I kept hearing how Nogueira would dominate him. The exact opposite happened.

5. Rashad Evans...His fight with Griffin was great.

You should check out Urijah Faber, hes not in the UFC he fights for WEC (World Extreme Cagefighting) and hes on of my favorites 22-2 all time record
sucks they cut the sound it was a great audio track too :|
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Apparently Dana White agrees with me. His next fight would be on an undercard if it was up to me.


Silva not winning over fans or boss

By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports Apr 19, 3:38 am EDT




MONTREAL – Anderson Silva wasn’t one of the Ultimate Fighting Championship’s biggest pay-per-view draws despite a slew of highlight reel knockouts and a reputation as the finest mixed martial arts fighter in the world.

After Saturday’s performance, the toughest job in sports may belong to the person who has to devise a marketing campaign for his next fight.

Silva won a unanimous decision over Thales Leites in the main event of UFC 97 on Saturday night at the Bell Centre, but it was such a mystifying and dreadful performance that it left UFC president Dana White angry and embarrassed.

“I can honestly tell you that I’ve never put on an event that I was embarrassed to be at until tonight,” White said. “I want to publicly apologize to all the fans.”

Leites was flopping onto the ground at the first sign Silva would throw a punch at him, hoping to turn it into a grappling contest. Silva, though, wouldn’t fall for the bait and forced Leites repeatedly to stand.

And while it was admittedly hard to look good with the way Leites was fighting, the man who is supposedly the best fighter in the world needs to find a way to force the action.

It’s the second consecutive time that Silva has been in such a fight. At UFC 90 in October, White was so mystified by Silva’s lack of aggression that he said he thought he was in “bizarro world” watching it.

Silva had an unlikely ally Saturday in Chuck Liddell, whose career likely ended earlier in the night when he was knocked out by Mauricio “Shogun” Rua. Liddell clearly placed more of the blame for the lack of action on Leites’ unwillingness to engage even a little.

“He was attacking the whole time,” Liddell said of Silva. “It’s a frustrating fight for a striker when every time you go to hit a guy, he falls on his back.”

Silva is paid big money to hit his opponents and then knock them on their backs. For the second fight in a row, he failed to let his hands and feet go and fought a measured, controlled fight.

The crowd of 21,451 at the Bell Centre was booing a minute into the fight and by the final round, it was chanting an obscenity in an attempt to convey its displeasure.

White planned to have a long conversation with Silva and manager Ed Soares following the postfight news conference. During the fight, White got up from his cageside seat and walked over to Soares and gave him an earful.

Just as he was in Chicago, though, Silva was singularly unaffected. He had the air of a man who had just performed his job exceptionally, rather than one who had more than 20,000 people in the building and thousands more watching on television at home feeling he’d cheated them out of their money.

“Everything I trained to do, I did,” Silva said.

It’s one of his stock answers these days, as he repeated it incessantly prior to the fight in response to numerous queries about his performance against Cote.

But the bottom line is this: If Silva is going to be the big star, if he’s going to make the big paycheck, then he has to realize it’s incumbent upon him to put on a show. Liddell has now lost four of his last five and has been knocked cold in three of them, but he came to fight and made his bout entertaining for as long as it lasted.

The same can’t be said of Silva, who doesn’t seem to grasp that he’s not carrying his end of the bargain.

“I apologize. I personally apologize for what happened tonight,” White said. “You guys know, this isn’t what the UFC was built on and this isn’t the way the fights usually go. Listen, any night you can have an off-night. When a guy is that talented and can literally end a fight whenever he wants to, wow.”

Leites clearly deserves his share of the blame for the debacle that was the main event. He had a three-month training camp and knew he’d have to deal with Silva’s striking at some point.

The challenger, though, simply ignored that facet of the game. He backpedaled until he could go back no more and then, more often than not, fell to his back hoping to sucker Silva into a jiu-jitsu fight.

It never worked. And when Silva did manage to keep the fight standing, he didn’t force the action and try to knock Leites out.

“I’m comfortable with people’s opinion, because they have a right to their opinion, but when I went out there, everything I [prepared for] in training, I felt I executed in the fight. My game plan was that I wanted to go to the later rounds with Thales. I was unable to finish. Sometimes I’m able to finish guys and sometimes I’m not able to. But I felt I proved to everybody that I’m able to go five rounds and that I’m in good shape.”

Nobody really wanted to see that, though. They purchased big money for the tickets – the paid gate at the Bell Centre was $4.9 million – to see him blast Leites and get rid of him as early and as violently as possible.

The only thing that may change Silva’s performance at this point is to give him an opponent he feels may be able to defeat him. White was pressed a lot about making a fight between Silva and welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, but he noted St. Pierre has a difficult bout upcoming against Thiago Alves.

The other option is for him to move up again, however briefly, to light heavyweight and challenge one of the slew of great strikers who compete in that division.

“We’ve got to do something,” White said, shaking his head. “Watching that was hard. That was tough to take. It was embarrassing, honestly. It was really and truly embarrassing.”
 

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Cochese;2736831 said:
I watched some of it, and all I could think of was



I cant believe this is a popular sport.

Boxing FTW.


lol yeah right

Boxing FTL
 

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Hostile;2736927 said:
Apparently Dana White agrees with me. His next fight would be on an undercard if it was up to me.

Undercard? :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

You agree with the promoter and owner and ignore what a legendary fighter said about the fight, that's fine.

We just don't agree, that's also fine. If the world wants to see Silva's best, Dana has got to pair him against someone that will go after him and put the pressure on or someone that can actually, I don't know, execute a takedown and do something on the ground when the fight goes there?

The only real knock on Silva in the fight is that he wasn't aggressive enough, he could have ended it early and didn't. That doesn't make him any less of a skilled fighter.
 

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A couple of things having watched the card.

I'm a Chuck mark. I'll admit it. I always have been and will be forever but I know it's time to hang it up. Heck I said he should have hung it up after the Jardine loss and for sure after the loss to Rashad.

Watching Saturday night as he had the tombstone fixed to his career was hard to watch. There was still the amazing Chuck scramble ability on display, avoiding any damage on the ground in one of the rare occassions someone is able to take him down, but the rest of the Chuck magic was gone, much like it has been in 4 of his last 5 contests.

His punches weren't as hard or as fast as they used to be. He was visibly a step slower, and he looked every bit the part of a 39 year old striker who'd held on a little to long in a game where everyone else is moving along and becoming more than just strikers. At least seemingly that is the way it is.

The look in his eyes, after the fight, when they talked to him told the story. He knows it's over. He's hurt that it's all over and I can understand that. It's probably very hard to go from being the top star in MMA, to being on the high of highlight reel KO after highlight reel KO and being considered one of the finest fighters in the UFC to now being past your time. It's tough to let go when you've been the top, so I feel for him, but it's time. It's past time. He's held on here at the end so long that he's become almost like Ken Shamrock with his stubborn nature that he can 'still get it done.'

I love ya Chuck, I respect ya, you'll always been one of my all time favorites, but you're done bro. You can't get it done anymore and it's clear that people have not only become faster than you but they've figured out your style and they're counter punching you to the mat now. Walk away bro. Everyone respects you, it's over.

Then there was the main event.

Just pathetic. Sad. Boring.

Yes I'll put some blame on Silva, there is some on him, but his opponent was a chump. Period. I have never, in all my years of watching MMA fights, seen a guy flop to the ground the way Thales did. Anytime Silva would push forward, and try to go for a flurry to end it, or to get ahold of him so he could do his thing, Thales would just flop immediately to the ground and hope that Silva would do his job for him, by just dropping down into the guard.

It's not Silva's job to beat Silva for the belt. It's the job of Thales to beat him for the belt. If you want him on the ground, in the guard, to try to submit him then you've got to put him there. You can't flop down on your back and hope the guy is stupid enough to just say, "Well ok I'll go ahead and lay down here in your guard for you."

Pathetic.

White should be mad that Silva wasn't able to do what he'd normally do but he should be handing Thales his walking papers, without a doubt.

I did find it very interesting in the post fight Press conference that Chuck came to the defense of Silva. I actually agree with what Chuck was conveying that Anderson wanted to push the pace, wanted to give an exciting fight, but every time he attempted to Thales was flopping.

And it was funny that he did mention that Thales even flopped down at times when Anderson had swung and only got air, and Thales would still flop to the mat.

Pathetic.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2737140 said:
A couple of things having watched the card.

I'm a Chuck mark. I'll admit it. I always have been and will be forever but I know it's time to hang it up. Heck I said he should have hung it up after the Jardine loss and for sure after the loss to Rashad.

Watching Saturday night as he had the tombstone fixed to his career was hard to watch. There was still the amazing Chuck scramble ability on display, avoiding any damage on the ground in one of the rare occassions someone is able to take him down, but the rest of the Chuck magic was gone, much like it has been in 4 of his last 5 contests.

His punches weren't as hard or as fast as they used to be. He was visibly a step slower, and he looked every bit the part of a 39 year old striker who'd held on a little to long in a game where everyone else is moving along and becoming more than just strikers. At least seemingly that is the way it is.

The look in his eyes, after the fight, when they talked to him told the story. He knows it's over. He's hurt that it's all over and I can understand that. It's probably very hard to go from being the top star in MMA, to being on the high of highlight reel KO after highlight reel KO and being considered one of the finest fighters in the UFC to now being past your time. It's tough to let go when you've been the top, so I feel for him, but it's time. It's past time. He's held on here at the end so long that he's become almost like Ken Shamrock with his stubborn nature that he can 'still get it done.'

I love ya Chuck, I respect ya, you'll always been one of my all time favorites, but you're done bro. You can't get it done anymore and it's clear that people have not only become faster than you but they've figured out your style and they're counter punching you to the mat now. Walk away bro. Everyone respects you, it's over.

Then there was the main event.

Just pathetic. Sad. Boring.

Yes I'll put some blame on Silva, there is some on him, but his opponent was a chump. Period. I have never, in all my years of watching MMA fights, seen a guy flop to the ground the way Thales did. Anytime Silva would push forward, and try to go for a flurry to end it, or to get ahold of him so he could do his thing, Thales would just flop immediately to the ground and hope that Silva would do his job for him, by just dropping down into the guard.

It's not Silva's job to beat Silva for the belt. It's the job of Thales to beat him for the belt. If you want him on the ground, in the guard, to try to submit him then you've got to put him there. You can't flop down on your back and hope the guy is stupid enough to just say, "Well ok I'll go ahead and lay down here in your guard for you."

Pathetic.

White should be mad that Silva wasn't able to do what he'd normally do but he should be handing Thales his walking papers, without a doubt.

I did find it very interesting in the post fight Press conference that Chuck came to the defense of Silva. I actually agree with what Chuck was conveying that Anderson wanted to push the pace, wanted to give an exciting fight, but every time he attempted to Thales was flopping.

And it was funny that he did mention that Thales even flopped down at times when Anderson had swung and only got air, and Thales would still flop to the mat.

Pathetic.

Good post, I agree with everything you said, including your comments on Chuck's fight.

I was really disappointed I didn't see much power at all behind his punches.
 

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Hostile;2736927 said:
Apparently Dana White agrees with me. His next fight would be on an undercard if it was up to me.


“We’ve got to do something,” White said, shaking his head. “Watching that was hard. That was tough to take. It was embarrassing, honestly. It was really and truly embarrassing.”
well a pro fighter(something Dana White knows nothing about unless you count boxercise) in Chuck Liddell agrees with Anderson Silva
http://mmamania.com/2009/04/19/ufc-97-post-fight-press-conference-video/
 

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Rampage;2737320 said:
well a pro fighter(something Dana White knows nothing about unless you count boxercise) in Chuck Liddell agrees with Anderson Silva
http://mmamania.com/2009/04/19/ufc-97-post-fight-press-conference-video/

Pro fighters are notoriously bad at judging fights or predicting outcomes because they are biased.

Chuck sees Silva as a fellow big-time striker and is defending him but anyone who watched Silva the last two fights is saying GL getting another 50 bucks from me for that crapola.

They want me to pay to watch Silva have him go up to 205 and fight Rampage, Rashad, Forest or even Jardine.

A guy is a BJJ black belt and his only decent 20 seconds of the fight was when he engaged in GnP but he was scared to do so again? Ridiculous.
 

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It wasn't Thales fault Silva didn't throw but single-digit punches in a 5 minute round 1.

Silva wants to be a counter-puncher and was a facing a BJJ expert. He knew he wasn't going to be able to sit back and counter punch if he had any sense whatsoever yet he tried for 2 rounds.

Thales didn't headline the fight or draw the big salary, that was Silva. It was Silva's job to sell the fight and entertain the fans. He failed miserably. And it wasn't the first fight he has looked like this.
 

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this is a quote taken from an article after the Leites-Silva fight

"Anderson Silva fascinates me. He fascinates me now more than ever.

Since his metamorphosis into the human weapon in 2005, Silva has been largely a counterstriker whose penchant for brutality is only coaxed out through fighters who attempt to draw first blood, such as Chris Leben, Rich Franklin, Travis Lutter and so on. At this point, Silva's reputation is almost cancerous. Fighters are too hesitant to engage him without the most meticulous planning of every single body movement, which results in long periods of nothingness in the cage.
 

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Lyota Machida is the worst at trying to counter and he seems to be getting much praise on this board.



LOL @ Thales not trying to get takedowns and just falling on his back.

If he would've gone for more takedowns I would be more upset with Silva but Thales was just falling, and falling, and falling.
 

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TheCount;2737063 said:
Undercard? :lmao2::lmao2::lmao2:

You agree with the promoter and owner and ignore what a legendary fighter said about the fight, that's fine.

We just don't agree, that's also fine. If the world wants to see Silva's best, Dana has got to pair him against someone that will go after him and put the pressure on or someone that can actually, I don't know, execute a takedown and do something on the ground when the fight goes there?

The only real knock on Silva in the fight is that he wasn't aggressive enough, he could have ended it early and didn't. That doesn't make him any less of a skilled fighter.
I didn't ignore what he said.

I just don't agree with him.

I am not saying the guy isn't skilled. I am saying that fight was not impressive.
 

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CATCH17;2737450 said:
Lyota Machida is the worst at trying to counter and he seems to be getting much praise on this board.
No one praised him besides me.

Hyperbole doesn't suit you.
 

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Hostile;2737982 said:
No one praised him besides me.

Hyperbole doesn't suit you.

I don't know how many Machida fights you've seen but other than his most recent one, where I was super excited and impressed with him, he's one of the absolutely most boring fighters I've ever seen in the UFC.

All he does is back up, back up, back up, hop in and hit a punch or two, maybe a kick, and then back up, back up, back up, all fight long.

Watch his boring fight with Tito Ortiz. Just horrificly boring.

That said Silva could have tried more to make that match more exciting, I'll agree, but I also always say this.

It's not the champs place to beat himself it's his challengers place to take the belt from him. The way Thales went about that was just disgraceful.

I'd give the kid some credit if he was attempting takedowns and they just weren't sticking but he was just absolutey pathetic in those flops to his back. He wanted no part of that fight and it showed.

Sadly I'm afraid we're going to see this happen often now when it comes to Silva because of people being unwilling to strike him with, and if they have trouble getting him down to the ground then fights are going to continue to be boring like this.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2738028 said:
I don't know how many Machida fights you've seen but other than his most recent one, where I was super excited and impressed with him, he's one of the absolutely most boring fighters I've ever seen in the UFC.

All he does is back up, back up, back up, hop in and hit a punch or two, maybe a kick, and then back up, back up, back up, all fight long.

Watch his boring fight with Tito Ortiz. Just horrificly boring.

That said Silva could have tried more to make that match more exciting, I'll agree, but I also always say this.

It's not the champs place to beat himself it's his challengers place to take the belt from him. The way Thales went about that was just disgraceful.

I'd give the kid some credit if he was attempting takedowns and they just weren't sticking but he was just absolutey pathetic in those flops to his back. He wanted no part of that fight and it showed.

Sadly I'm afraid we're going to see this happen often now when it comes to Silva because of people being unwilling to strike him with, and if they have trouble getting him down to the ground then fights are going to continue to be boring like this.
One. I've already admitted in this thread that I am a neophyte at this. Hence why I am not all gaga over Anderson Silva. I haven't seen him fight before. If I haven't seen him it is unlikely that I have seen much of Machida. What I saw of him was a good fight. I was impressed.
 

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Hostile;2738162 said:
One. I've already admitted in this thread that I am a neophyte at this. Hence why I am not all gaga over Anderson Silva. I haven't seen him fight before. If I haven't seen him it is unlikely that I have seen much of Machida. What I saw of him was a good fight. I was impressed.
yeah you just happened to catch Machida's only non-boring fight of his career though.
 

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Rampage;2738179 said:
yeah you just happened to catch Machida's only non-boring fight of his career though.
So?

I answered the question honestly. I have not acted like I am some kind of MMA expert. I'm not.
 

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Hostile;2738202 said:
So?

I answered the question honestly. I have not acted like I am some kind of MMA expert. I'm not.
whoa, whoa, whoa! ease up don't be getting all hostile. I was just passing along some info.
 
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