Uh oh, tight end trouble

[iceman117]

It was fairly apparent if you were watching on game day how everything broke down. I think iceman's pretty clearly got this one backwards. It was Garrett and Ciskowski who wanted to stick to the draft board.

I don't have it backwards as all, you'd have to go back and read how this started, I said Garrett has drafted well, then someone said to me Jerry runs the draft still... So my reply was to indicate that Garrett has a lot of influence about how this roster is shaped... You can just see how different the roster is and the types of players Garrett likes, so I don't really know what you are talking about

 

[dcstands4]

we knew he could block when we drafted him, he has hands tho...

 

[Bowdown27]

I like fisher but I don't see Escobar being the block tight end he's thinking he's going to be pass catching tight end flanked out. This was all a romo pick and I guarantee he's used to his ability. I bet he will have more Tds then Jason or Hanna

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Garret has a ton of input... Otherwise Sharif Floyd would have been our 1st rd pick

Yes, Garrett has a ton of input. Jason has given his play-calling duties to Callahan so Cally can eventually take over. Jason was really happy in the war room when Frederick the Giant's name was called. Next I look forward to Jason banning jerra from the sidelines and making personnel decisions.

You seem to half a sense of humor. I like it. Garret has a ton of input . . . I laff so hard the 1% milk came up mah nose. LOL.

 

[Redball Express]

Once again, bench press is measurement not a benchmark of strength. True strength comes from the core and legs. He may be lacking in all areas of strength but I have a feeling he was drafted for talents other than blocking ability.

Absolutely. To complement the WRs and help Witten who is starting to show some speed issues. The guy can catch about anything. I think he and Romo start to play alot of pitch and catch soon.

We'll see.

What I don't see is panic like this writer indicates..ain't happening unless an injury occurs..oops..zip my lips.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

While that is true, Escobar is still fairly weak all around. Now, I don't know all of his measurable, but it was well known when he was drafted that he would struggle as a blocker. I'm still not worried about it this year, because if we're throwing a three tight end rotation out there on a consistent basis, then you can leave Hanna home to block more on the line of scrimmage, while splitting Escobar out wide more often and still not be all that predictable.

And the whole point of a 3TE set or a 12 set is that you have guys who can block and catch passes. Apparently, Escobar is one dimensional. I have a feeling we're going to regret not taking Eifert. That guy will be a star in this league.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Fischer is typically one of the better reporters. He actually seeks to find out the things that are important to the level of success the Cowboys have instead of peripheral, tabloid-esque nonsense. He's subject to the latter, but it's a once in a while thing.

The thing about Fischer is I don't doubt if what he's reporting is true. We often hear nonsense from writers that ends up not being true and it never made sense to begin with. Then when we read more reports of nonsensical stuff that ends up not being true, the reader who does not have an anti-Jerry bias should question the reporter's credibility.

I wouldn't doubt if Escobar is having blocking troubles. He was not known for his blocking in college and I don't think he ever saw time at the F-Back spot. But, this would also explain the Cowboys going after Escobar as they already had Hanna. Hanna is an impressive athlete, but if he's not grasping the playbook then that is probably a big reason for them drafting Escobar.

The only reason why I didn't like the Escobar pick is I don't see Witten getting usurped anytime soon, unless he gets injured. We've tried the 2 TE set twice and have failed both times. IMO, if we are going to do that, then we need to do it with a TE we draft in the 4th round to play along with Witten; rather than continually drafting 2nd round TE's.

It's not the end of the world though. We can always go to a 11 personnel. I'd rather have us try and put the best players on the field at once rather than force 12 personnel.







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For us, 2TE set would be for the red zone. We have way too many good receivers to run a 12 otherwise.

 

[TwentyOne]

Mike Fisher reported some troubling news last night while browsing the local airwaves. (For the record, Fisher is a good reporter, though his commentary is difficult to stomach unless you're left of Fidel Castro.)

According to Fisher, we've got major issues at the tight end position currently.

First, Escobar has the strength of a sophomore girl in high school. He can block no one, and he's getting pushed around at the line of scrimmage like a ragdoll. He only pressed 225 a total of 12 times at the combine, which is extremely weak. There are literally gobs of high school football players that can do that.

Second, Hanna ain't getting it. The 12 and 13 scheme packages are apparently not soaking into his brain pan in Callahan's zone blocking scheme. It's apparently been preached to him for months now, but it might as well be written in Klingon crayon, because the dude is lost.

Hanna might be fixable in a long camp, but this Escobar thing is troubling. Strength is an offseason gain. To make things more dicey, Vickers was cut, so unless this McSurdy experiment works, there probably won't be a fullback on the roster.

Mostly, I think this means that Dante Rosario is going to be the #2 tight end on the roster.

On a good note, Fisher also said that Will Allen looks tremendous so far, and the coaches think he'll be a big contributor this season.

From what i've read Hana is coming along well. So i for myself skip posts from Fisher on this one. Way too negativ to be real.

 

[jobberone]

We run the 12 set a lot and do very well with it. Having good WRs makes 2 to 5 WR sets work better and help the 12 and 13. Move TEs aren't inline blockers. They do need to block though although you run different plays for different skill sets of players. That's how coaches play to player's strengths. Escobar should be able to be a H back some but that's an assumption. I'm not counting on Escobar to inline block or play a lot of snaps as a F Back. It'll be interesting to see how they use Hanna and Rosario.

 

[iceman117]

You seem to half a sense of humor. I like it. Garret has a ton of input . . . I laff so hard the 1% milk came up mah nose. LOL.[/quote]

Glad you got a kick out of it but I was serious, The way this roster is built is very different from years past, so I think your being a little bit naive to think Garrett had nothing to do with that.

 

[FiveRings]

I have a feeling we're going to regret not taking Eifert. That guy will be a star in this league.

UGH I know. And it could have worked out for us to have taken Eifert in the first and still gotten Fred in the second.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That's what I'm saying.

UGH I know. And it could have worked out for us to have taken Eifert in the first and still gotten Fred in the second.

 

[Bowdown27]

Honestly bench press doesn't mean all that much in the NFL. I'm 6 foot and bench 225 13 times. Does that mean I'm stronger than Escobar ? No probably not. It's just really a bench mark for these guys to go by which is bull to be honest

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

You seem to half a sense of humor. I like it. Garret has a ton of input . . . I laff so hard the 1% milk came up mah nose. LOL.

Glad you got a kick out of it but I was serious, The way this roster is built is very different from years past, so I think your being a little bit naive to think Garrett had nothing to do with that.[/quote]


I did not means to be flip. Well, actually, i was flip with that. But, dude! Me naive to think Garrett had nothing to do with the roster? There might be some truth in that. I just think that Garrett is overshadowed way too much by Jerra.
A ton of input? I would say a smidgen of input. Can we shake on that?

 

[Doomsday101]

Have been impressed with what I have seen from Gavin Escobar since he has taken over the role as the second tight end for James Hanna in this “12” personnel package. Escobar has done a solid job in his route running in regards to clearing space to create routes behind him but also managing to work himself when he has been the primary receiver in the route. He has shown dependable hands underneath but down the field as well. He took a big hit from Barry Church during practice on Tuesday in the 7-on-7 period and managed to secure the ball.

His hands have been outstanding and his blocking on the move has been good. Where he will need to get better is learning how to position his hands inside, not to allow any separation with the defender. The really good tight ends in this league know how to hold and that is something that he will pick up. What might be Escobar’s best trait at this moment is that the game has not looked too big for him. He has look comfortable and for a rookie with a ton on his plate, that is at times difficult to do.


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Escobar has never been asked to block, he may never be a great blocker but through practice and technique I think he can become effective. Novacheck was a guy people claimed could not block but did a decent job at it. Give this kid some time.

 

[ufcrules1]

I was extremely surprised we took a TE with our 2nd pick. I hope it doesn't backfire on us.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

UGH I know. And it could have worked out for us to have taken Eifert in the first and still gotten Fred in the second.

Assuming we could have landed Frederick in the second (and I'm very skeptical), you would rather have Eifert over Escobar AND Williams?

 

[German Corner]

Escobar is a Cowboy now, so I'm 100% behind him to succeed.
But given all of our needs, using a 2nd rounder on him was a real head-scratcher for me.

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[German Corner]

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escobar was drafted to catch the ball just like hanna, not to block. they will be fine. they will not make definitive blocks on run plays but will make first downs through the air...my prediction.

 

[German Corner]

I was extremely surprised we took a TE with our 2nd pick. I hope it doesn't backfire on us.

I was counting down the picks to our second pick just begging for us to draft lacy the Alabama running back then go after escobar. I think we could have done that. with lacy relieving murray about a third of the time we would have the dynamite offense we all are hoping for. I'm convinced the offense will be potent but much better with lacy. I've talked to some green bay people and they are ecstatic they got lacy. my take is he was the best pick in the draft hands down...

go cowboys!