Uh oh, tight end trouble

[CoCo]

I read a story somewhere on Fishers observations. The OP here seems like it is embellishing. Think I'll wait til the pads come on before panicking but I know some like to beat the crowds.

 

[CoCo]

I agree. While Hanna hasn't done much and Escobar nothing, I don't see them both failing. And Witten and Rosario are solid vets are in Witten's case HOF bound. Not worried about TE. It's generally a position you haven't worried about a great deal that bites you in the fanny anyway.

I think the biggest risk with Escobar/Hanna is not so much that our offense is doomed without them. Rather a waste of draft resources if they don't pan out. And there the primary focus will be on the 2nd round pick. Escobar was already a controversial pick. He's not going to get much grace from the fans if he fails to contribute.

 

[jobberone]

I think the biggest risk with Escobar/Hanna is not so much that our offense is doomed without them. Rather a waste of draft resources if they don't pan out. And there the primary focus will be on the 2nd round pick. Escobar was already a controversial pick. He's not going to get much grace from the fans if he fails to contribute.

I don't disagree at all with this fair or not.

 

[conner01]

Exactly. Let's at least see a preseason game or two for crying out loud before all the sky is falling articles and posts start up.

really, we have'nt had the first day of training camp. hanna will be fine and escobar will learn to block. blocking is not about strength, it's about technique. all you have to do is keep the guy out of the play. pancaking is fun to watch but walling off a player is just as effective

 

[CowboyGil]

Wow, the proverbial ledge is getting crowded earlier this year.

 

[KB1122]

The more basic objection I have to the pick ..... this team needs the ball in Dez's hands. That is how we are going to succeed. Taking two more receiving targets in the 2nd and 3rd means more mouths to feed. That is what I most disliked about the picks.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

It is funny though... If Fisher had said that Escobar looked great, no one would be calling him a know-nothing media knee jerker.

Fisher is about 90% positive on what he says about the Cowboys. He's the unofficial-official insider of the Cowboys' own flagship radio station. If he says something less than positive, there might be some truth to it.

I don't even know who fisher is so I couldn't care less how positive or negative he is. I'm not going to give a whole lot of weight to his opinion based off watching people run around in shorts and helmets.

 

[iceman117]

I cannot imagine Jerra drafting poorly performing players.

Garret has drafted really well, I have faith

 

[AsthmaField]

Garret has drafted really well, I have faith

That is very true, and like you, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[LatinMind]

Problem with writers in sports in today is that the try to make the story, instead of reporting stories. Creating something on their own perceptions and assumptions. Instead of just reporting what they know.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Garret has drafted really well, I have faith

Since when has Jerra given up the draft day duties? LOL. Ever thang goes through Jerra.

 

[joseephuss]

The more basic objection I have to the pick ..... this team needs the ball in Dez's hands. That is how we are going to succeed. Taking two more receiving targets in the 2nd and 3rd means more mouths to feed. That is what I most disliked about the picks.

They got the ball to Dez just fine last season(10th in receptions, 14th in targets) and didn't have team success( i.e. playoffs). Having better 4th, 5th and 6th receiving options on the team only helps the offense and Dez. And it doesn't only have to come from the guys drafted(Escobar, Williams and Randle). Improved play from Dwayne Harris, Cole Beasley and James Hanna will help. It will also help if DeMarco Murray and Miles Austin can staying healthy.

 

[gimmesix]

Mike Fisher reported some troubling news last night while browsing the local airwaves. (For the record, Fisher is a good reporter, though his commentary is difficult to stomach unless you're left of Fidel Castro.)

According to Fisher, we've got major issues at the tight end position currently.

First, Escobar has the strength of a sophomore girl in high school. He can block no one, and he's getting pushed around at the line of scrimmage like a ragdoll. He only pressed 225 a total of 12 times at the combine, which is extremely weak. There are literally gobs of high school football players that can do that.

Second, Hanna ain't getting it. The 12 and 13 scheme packages are apparently not soaking into his brain pan in Callahan's zone blocking scheme. It's apparently been preached to him for months now, but it might as well be written in Klingon crayon, because the dude is lost.

Hanna might be fixable in a long camp, but this Escobar thing is troubling. Strength is an offseason gain. To make things more dicey, Vickers was cut, so unless this McSurdy experiment works, there probably won't be a fullback on the roster.

Mostly, I think this means that Dante Rosario is going to be the #2 tight end on the roster.

On a good note, Fisher also said that Will Allen looks tremendous so far, and the coaches think he'll be a big contributor this season.

I don't think there's enough evidence from the few OTA and minicamp practices Fisher has seen to determine this. But I wouldn't be surprised if Rosario ends up with a bigger role because of his experience vs. the growth needs for Escobar and Hanna.

We cut Vickers, so obviously Dallas believes more in the personnel it has at tight end than Fisher does.

 

[iceman117]

Since when has Jerra given up the draft day duties? LOL. Ever thang goes through Jerra.

Garret has a ton of input... Otherwise Sharif Floyd would have been our 1st rd pick

 

[Idgit]

Garret has a ton of input... Otherwise Sharif Floyd would have been our 1st rd pick

Wut?

 

[jobberone]

Garret has a ton of input... Otherwise Sharif Floyd would have been our 1st rd pick

This isn't the rumor but who knows who made the call. I actually think this one was Jerry's and Stephan's call but it could have been consensus. I don't know the real truth.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I don't think there's enough evidence from the few OTA and minicamp practices Fisher has seen to determine this. But I wouldn't be surprised if Rosario ends up with a bigger role because of his experience vs. the growth needs for Escobar and Hanna.

We cut Vickers, so obviously Dallas believes more in the personnel it has at tight end than Fisher does.

I totally agree gimme on Fisher not having a enough of a sample rate to form his conclusion. I also question the supposed statements erod said Mike made. I searched the internet looking for Mike's podcast from when he made those comments and found nothing even close to the supposed statements that erod posted. Also, wouldn't you think that Mike would have wrote a column if he had inside info that the Boys had voiced such concerns with their TE situation?

What I believe is that erod read the following twitter post from Mike and then he highly embellished it!

Quote from the twitter posting:

mike fisher ‏@fishsports 15 Jul
#cowboys issue of the day 5) TE Escobar's lack of upper-body strength getting him pushed around inside + when lining up as FB.

There was some back and forth between Mike and other posters, but nothing was posted as to the damning statements that erod said were made by Mike.
In fact Jason stated yesterday that he was very happy with the TE situation and that is what lead them to cutting Vickers.

 

[Idgit]

This isn't the rumor but who knows who made the call. I actually think this one was Jerry's and Stephan's call but it could have been consensus. I don't know the real truth.

It was fairly apparent if you were watching on game day how everything broke down. I think iceman's pretty clearly got this one backwards. It was Garrett and Ciskowski who wanted to stick to the draft board.

 

[jobberone]

It was fairly apparent if you were watching on game day how everything broke down. I think iceman's pretty clearly got this one backwards. It was Garrett and Ciskowski who wanted to stick to the draft board.

I was trying to be diplomatic.

 

[iceman117]

Wut?

I was saying if Garrett and the coaching staff didn't have huge influence on who we drafted Jerry would have made a pick that didn't make a lot of sense... I just used Floyd as an example.