Ultimate "Hey Payton, take Zimmer with you" post...

[BrassCowboy]

ok maybe not the ultimate, but I will try and I am sure others will follow...

Zimmer is like Payton in that he is very non-creative, lack of inginuity, very vanilla in his defenses, non aggressive, and way too safe style he uses.

anyone who thinks different, watch pittsburgh and Commanders play, hell just about watch any other defense for that matter..... It has been year in and year out that we keep saying 'get rid of zimmer now'...

I was like those that spit out the "oh we are always top 10 with Zimmer", but one cannot be blind forever to realize that there is a difference between being top 10, and one who shuts teams down and does what it needs to do.

 

[neosapien23]

ok maybe not the ultimate, but I will try and I am sure others will follow...

Zimmer is like Payton in that he is very non-creative, lack of inginuity, very vanilla in his defenses, non aggressive, and way too safe style he uses.

anyone who thinks different, watch pittsburgh and Commanders play, hell just about watch any other defense for that matter..... It has been year in and year out that we keep saying 'get rid of zimmer now'...

I was like those that spit out the "oh we are always top 10 with Zimmer", but one cannot be blind forever to realize that there is a difference between being top 10, and one who shuts teams down and does what it needs to do.

Actually Payton is pretty aggressive on offense. Zimmer on the other hand uses the bend but don't break defense. If Zimmer leaves to New Orleans, he will implement a cover two. I would defintely want Dom Capers, but I don't know if he would like working with Parcells. Capers could teach our secondary coach Todd Bowles the nuisances of the 3-4. When Capers takes another HC job, we can promote Bowles to DC after his tutoring phase is over.

 

[Juke99]

My only objection to the "top ten" argument is that defense has changed...rating a defense has more to do with creating turnovers, shortening the field, rushing the QB into mistakes, than total yardage stats.

 

[Wolverine]

Hitman. Thnx for postin this. It brings a tear to my eye seein how so many other people know how Mike Zimmer sucks.

 

[neosapien23]

My only objection to the "top ten" argument is that defense has changed...rating a defense has more to do with creating turnovers, shortening the field, rushing the QB into mistakes, than total yardage stats.

Gotta agree with you. Dallas doesn't seem to register alot of sacks or interceptions.

 

[Juke99]

Gotta agree with you. Dallas doesn't seem to register alot of sacks or interceptions.

Well, yeah...ya need a cheap TD every now and then. Ya need a short field.

And in most games, the defense is the side that sets the tone.

Pressure and turnovers is what defense is all about in the current version of the NFL.

 

[Wolverine]

Well, yeah...ya need a cheap TD every now and then. Ya need a short field.

And in most games, the defense is the side that sets the tone.

Pressure and turnovers is what defense is all about in the current version of the NFL.

Mike Zimmers version of a defense in the NFL is give the QB all day to throw and never pressure him.

 

[neosapien23]

Mike Zimmers version of a defense in the NFL is give the QB all day to throw and never pressure him.

He's not the worst DC out there. I prefer an attacking defense as well, but Zimmers defense doesn't seem to give up alot of points. They just don't get sacks or turnovers either.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ok maybe not the ultimate, but I will try and I am sure others will follow...

Zimmer is like Payton in that he is very non-creative, lack of inginuity, very vanilla in his defenses, non aggressive, and way too safe style he uses.

anyone who thinks different, watch pittsburgh and Commanders play, hell just about watch any other defense for that matter..... It has been year in and year out that we keep saying 'get rid of zimmer now'...

I was like those that spit out the "oh we are always top 10 with Zimmer", but one cannot be blind forever to realize that there is a difference between being top 10, and one who shuts teams down and does what it needs to do.

little talent on D before this year, and then 1st year in a totally different scheme for him

yeah, I could see why we've been struggling on D under Zimmer, well, if you consider numerous top-10 Ds as "struggling"

 

[lane]

Mike Zimmers version of a defense in the NFL is give the QB all day to throw and never pressure him.

hilarious!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually Payton is pretty aggressive on offense. Zimmer on the other hand uses the bend but don't break defense. If Zimmer leaves to New Orleans, he will implement a cover two. I would defintely want Dom Capers, but I don't know if he would like working with Parcells. Capers could teach our secondary coach Todd Bowles the nuisances of the 3-4. When Capers takes another HC job, we can promote Bowles to DC after his tutoring phase is over.

Caper runs a zone-blitzing 3-4, I thought you guys wanted aggressive playcalling on D?

btw, Caper's Houston D has sucked arse, and this is the "3-4 defensive guru" y'all want?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

My only objection to the "top ten" argument is that defense has changed...rating a defense has more to do with creating turnovers, shortening the field, rushing the QB into mistakes, than total yardage stats.

that's hard to do when you have little, to no talent on D

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Zimmer is a good coach but I am always looking to upgrade areas I perceive as problem areas like Mr. Parcells says he is always doing.

If a good 3-4 Coach is available and has had some success in this league, I would not mind just looking into it.

Maybe Zimmer will be more aggressive, innovative, better disguise his blitzes and move playmakers like Roy Williams and Demarcus Ware around next year.

Of course I would really like to see:
Parcells dole out Offensive Playcalling to someone else, possibly do the same for the defense and handle game management, key decisions, motivation etc etc.

Or

Parcells dole out Offensive Playcalling to someone else and really get up close and personal with the defense this year as he has alot of experience in the 3-4, which Zimmer doesn't.

- Mike G.

 

[Juke99]

that's hard to do when you have little, to no talent on D

I just noticed your sig. Funny stuff.

I don't think we have little to no talent.

My gripe is...how difficult is it for the opposing offense to look at Ware, standing and KNOW he's going to drop into coverage...to see with his hand on the ground and KNOW he's gonna rush the QB....and in 95% of those cases, he's gonna be on the right side.

The idea of the 3-4, in part, is to create confusion so that the QB doesn't know where the rush is coming from.

 

[Wolverine]

that's hard to do when you have little, to no talent on D

That excuse for Zimmer wore out before I was even born.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

that's hard to do when you have little, to no talent on D

Why on earth do you keep saying this?

Do not go mosey over to NFL.com, just go by what you saw on the field.

Were you not impressed with:
Anthony Henry, when he was healthy
Greg Ellis
Demarcus Ware
Chris Canty
Roy Williams
Terence Newman
Aaron Glenn

This team has just as much talent on it as the Commanders do.

Gregg Williams has Omar Stoutmire, a former Cowboy looking pretty good, just like he had Matt Bowen looking pretty good last year.

Schemes, teaching, technique etc etc is just as important as the talent on the field.

The Cowboys have just as much talent as most other teams in the NFL.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't think we have little to no talent.

we sho' did before this year, which I was talking about, sorry for not clarifying what I meant

The idea of the 3-4, in part, is to create confusion so that the QB doesn't know where the rush is coming from.

trying to confuse opposing offenses, in the 1st year in a new scheme, is likely to confuse your D even more than they are

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why on earth do you keep saying this?

Do not go mosey over to NFL.com, just go by what you saw on the field.

Were you not impressed with:
Anthony Henry, when he was healthy
Greg Ellis
Demarcus Ware
Chris Canty
Roy Williams
Terence Newman
Aaron Glenn

This team has just as much talent on it as the Commanders do.

Gregg Williams has Omar Stoutmire, a former Cowboy looking pretty good, just like he had Matt Bowen looking pretty good last year.

Schemes, teaching, technique etc etc is just as important as the talent on the field.

The Cowboys have just as much talent as most other teams in the NFL.

BEFORE THIS YEAR! sorry, didn't clarify here, but I've said it in numerous other threads

you remember how pitiful our front 4 was

our secondary

shoot

 

[Bob Sacamano]

before I was even born.

no wonder you can't argue intelligently

 

[neosapien23]

Caper runs a zone-blitzing 3-4, I thought you guys wanted aggressive playcalling on D?

btw, Caper's Houston D has sucked arse, and this is the "3-4 defensive guru" y'all want?

Dude Houston's GM sucks. They have no talent on defense. I never said I wanted a balls to the walls attacking defense. Just a little creativity. Do you remeber what Capers did in Carolina? Do you think Dick Lebeau what make a good head coach, I'd take him for a DC though. Sometimes people are better coordinators than head coaches.