Umpire was out of position

[Wezsh0T]

Stop blaming the refs. That was all on the cowboys. 1. horrible play call 2. Dak ran too far and ate up too much clock. 3. You hand the ball to the ref.
Romo even said when Dak finially slid they didn't have enough time.

Actually, Nance said they might not have time and Romo assured him that they would get it clocked. (at first)

 

[TheSkaven]

We shouldn't have been in a POSITION where we had to leave it in the hands of the refs.

This is probably the best argument that I’ve seen on this thread. 14 penalties, many of them bogus, so you’re going to trust the referees to do a great job and spot the ball on time when your season is on the line?

I get what everyone is saying. Bad play calls no doubt. 14 seconds is a lot of time, they could have tried another out or even a sideline go if they thought the Niners were aggressively covering the sidelines.

But it’s also true that this umpire was daydreaming. If he ran to the play as Dak ran with the ball, we might be talking about Tampa right now.

 

[Adreme]

This is probably the best argument that I’ve seen on this thread. 14 penalties, many of them bogus, so you’re going to trust the referees to do a great job and spot the ball on time when your season is on the line?

I get what everyone is saying. Bad play calls no doubt. 14 seconds is a lot of time, they could have tried another out or even a sideline go if they thought the Niners were aggressively covering the sidelines.

But it’s also true that this umpire was daydreaming. If he ran to the play as Dak ran with the ball, we might be talking about Tampa right now.

Which ones were bogus? The pre snap false starts were gimme penalties, the offsides were of course obvious, and the holding is easy when Gregory is tackling an OLinemen. The Cowboys made it easy to call the penalties to the point where Romo was seeing all of them in real time.

 

[DogFace]

But unless you've been an umpire, my experience is more insightful than yours.

And my experience isn't just about ordering and eating burgers. It's about the intricacies of umpiring and refereeing. And because I've been one, I have more insight than a person who hasn't.

And that goes for ANY field or endeavor.

I’ve umpired and reffed basketball.

Being so into is why you’re clearly biased. Imo.

 

[DogFace]

everyone complains about bad calls.... this team lost because they well deserved to lose

Yep. I agree. That’s not the discussion though. This is about the refs.

 

[boysbeyond4ever]

Too long, didn't read beyond the first sentence.

I'll just say this: establishing proof isn't just for a court of law. If you're going to accuse a ref of bias, i.e., purposely making calls against a team he doesn't like, then, yes, I'm requiring proof.

Second, have you umpired or refereed games involving men or/and young men in which you must make a call in a split second?

If so, then we'll resume this conversation about bias as I will ask you to explain if any of your calls included bias.

If your answer is "no" you haven't officiated any sports events, then my insight trumps your lack of experience.

I KNOW what I'm talking about based on like EXPERIENCE. You can only guess.

It's obviously you lack the courage to honestly address this or you would have read what I wrote and answered my question in the first place. Save your phony condescension - it's just hubris because you're afraid to admit officials can be subconsciously biased in favor of or against teams for any number of reasons. You don't fool me one bit.It's this kind of arrogance and disingenuousness that undermined the credibility of sports official sports offciating and thus. I was a basketball coach at the same level you officiate at so you're not going to run me off. I encountered every sort official from the most conscientious and competent to the least.

Btw your insight cannot be very keen when you can't honestly answer whether or not officials can practice subconcious biases that effect their calls in games, and rely on a courtroom trial sort of standard of proof to avoid answering that question on a fricking football message board. No one's on trial here, to quote Tom Hanks , "nobody's going to jail" you're just afraid to honestly answer the question, and I don't need any special insight or experience to figure that out,,all it takes is reading your words to know that is the fact.

 

[DCwarrior]

This ranks up there with the Philly QB not knowing rules for overtime.

 

[Cmac]

This ranks up there with "The dog ate my homework."

 

[DandyDon52]

I know there’s a zillion threads about this, but I haven’t seen this posted.

I was in section C312 and I had a perfect view of the final seconds. My friend, seated next to me, was recording those last sections on his cell phone.

Yeah, it probably wasn’t the best play call but what I can tell you is that there was plenty of time still on the clock when Dak slid. He didn’t do anything wrong with the ball. There’s one referee who is charged with placing it.

Now you can call this conspiratal, you can say that this particular referee was daydreaming or maybe he just never expected a QB draw, but he was 15 yards behind the line of scrimmage when the play started and he stayed there until the moment that Dak slid.

Then, and only then, did he start sprinting toward the line to spot the ball. I watched this with my own eyes. No matter what Dak did with the ball or who he handed it to, there was a snowball’s chance in inferno that his referee was going to get there in time. None.

So go ahead and blame Kellen Moore. And trust me, I’m not one to say the fix was in. But the game was a comedy of errors by the officials and that ball should have been spotted with enough time for one more play call.

Remember one more thing:

There were controversial outcomes in the games against both the Raiders and Cardinals. If Dallas wins one of those games, they were playing Philly yesterday. If they win both, they had a bye week.

I get it - play well enough that the outcome can’t come down to a play decided by the referees. OK. But we were robbed yesterday, pure and simple.

Flame away.

no
1 dak has to know to give the ball to that ref
2 the OL guys need to know to let him thru
if they did that there would have been 1 or 2 sec left.
3 dak ran too far, with 14 sec 10 yds is where he should have went down, not 15-16
that way ref is there quicker and less time is off the clock.

Cowboys made 3 mistakes there. I think dak would have ran 20 yds had the guys not come up to tackle him at 15

 

[Swagger]

I appreciate that this has been discussed into the ground but there's one final point about the last drive that seemed weird to me. Shanahan called a timeout with 38 seconds remaining. Why was this increased to 40 seconds before they punted the ball to us?

 

[GroundZero1970]

Excuse me if I dont listen to Orlovsky when he talks about lack of awareness. He is the one that ran out the back of the endzone due to lack of awareness

 

[G2]

 

[tyke1doe]

I’ve umpired and reffed basketball.

Being so into is why you’re clearly biased. Imo.

Huh? to the second sentence.

To the first, so when you call plays, you're giving consideration to the teams/players you like and dislike and are making calls accordingly?

 

[tyke1doe]

You don't want the ref moving that fast. Dak might have thrown him the football.

 

[tyke1doe]

It's obviously you lack the courage to honestly address this or you would have read what I wrote and answered my question in the first place. Save your phony condescension - it's just hubris because you're afraid to admit officials can be subconsciously biased in favor of or against teams for any number of reasons. You don't fool me one bit.It's this kind of arrogance and disingenuousness that undermined the credibility of sports official sports offciating and thus. I was a basketball coach at the same level you officiate at so you're not going to run me off. I encountered every sort official from the most conscientious and competent to the least.

Btw your insight cannot be very keen when you can't honestly answer whether or not officials can practice subconcious biases that effect their calls in games, and rely on a courtroom trial sort of standard of proof to avoid answering that question on a fricking football message board. No one's on trial here, to quote Tom Hanks , "nobody's going to jail" you're just afraid to honestly answer the question, and I don't need any special insight or experience to figure that out,,all it takes is reading your words to know that is the fact.

I'm not reading your long-winded post.
If you have something relevant to say in shorter paragraphs, I'll read.
If you have officiated games, I'll read.
If you can offer proof without waxing into lengthy prose, I'll read.
But unless you have actual experience officiating games other than toddlers, my insight is more valuable than yours.

 

[G2]

You don't want the ref moving that fast. Dak might have thrown him the football.

Lmao!!!!
I wouldn't have been mad to see that.

 

[Big_D]

Shouldn't the guy spotting the ball in those time crunch situations be in front of the LOS not 30 yards behind it?

 

[Big_D]

I have a still from the video we took from the seat. Look at where he is.

He certainly don't look like he's in a hurry either.

 

[MarcusRock]

Dak started to slide at the 25, so that's where the ball should have been spotted. But when the Cowboys lined up, they were at like the 23.5-yard-line. So technically, the ref should have not only touched the ball, the ball should have been moved to the 25. But the ump only moved the ball back about 1/2 yard in all the commotion (but you can see him TRYING to move the ball back further, but he couldn't stretch that far with the Center standing right there).

So, sure, the ump may been out of position and cost the Cowboys a few seconds...but if the ump would have picked up the ball and moved it back to the 25 as he should have, and then the Cowboys offense would have had to walk back as well to reset at the 25, they still wouldn't have had time to spike it.

This is the great point that got ignored earlier (and will continue to). I estimated the 26 myself so as you say, if the ref was doing his job correctly, he should have spotted the ball backwards 2 more yards which would have used clock anyways when everyone had to back up. In the video below you even see the Line Judge at the top of the screen on the sideline at 0:10, showing the spot to be on the other side of the 25 and then hops forward 1+ yard after the spotting official puts it at about the 24 to try to hurry things along. They tried helping us but Dak needed to go down around the 30 to account for all that could happen.

 

[boysbeyond4ever]

I'm not reading your long-winded post.
If you have something relevant to say in shorter paragraphs, I'll read.
If you have officiated games, I'll read.
If you can offer proof without waxing into lengthy prose, I'll read.
But unless you have actual experience officiating games other than toddlers, my insight is more valuable than yours.

Your insight is meaningless because you are too much of an intellectual coward to honestly answer a question that had no bearing whatsoever on what kind of official you may or may not be> Your refusal to answer tells me fairly or otherwise that you indeed may have those same flaws in your performance because all you had to say was yes or no. One of those words was way too much forr you too say, apparently.. The only insight I see you having is into being afraid to be honest.

Don't bother reading my posts I won't waste my time with yours. Your arrogant" I can never be wrong and even if I am I'll never admit it" attitude is the only thing you have any real insight into. I don't need to have any more insight into you than I already have. It's more than enough.