Underclassmen QB leaving early

[Hostile]

Link Hos.

I'm at work. At home I could go right to the page. I am 100% positive Aikman was a Sr. and so was Rodney Peete. I remember the Heisman hype out here in Pac 10 country.

 

[joseephuss]

An even better sight for Troy Aikman's career(I learn something every day):

http://www.aikman.com/foot_college.shtml

Milestones

1984
Aikman is invited to a summer football camp at Oklahoma University. Head coach Barry Switzer offers him a scholarship on the spot. Aikman accepts.

1985
Aikman breaks his ankle in the fourth game of his sophomore season at OU. Jamelle Holieway takes over at quarterback and leads Oklahoma to the national championship.

1986
With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decides to transfer to UCLA. He's required to sit out the 1986 season.

1987
Aikman is named UCLA's starting QB the day before the 1987 season opener against San Diego State.

1989
Aikman finishes his UCLA career with a 20-4 record and a victory over Arkansas in the 1989 Cotton Bowl. As a Bruin, Aikman completed 64.8 percent of his passes for 5,298 yards and 41 touchdowns. He finished his career as the third-rated passer in NCAA history.

 

[Doomsday101]

An even better sight for Troy Aikman's career(I learn something every day):

http://www.aikman.com/foot_college.shtml

Milestones

1984
Aikman is invited to a summer football camp at Oklahoma University. Head coach Barry Switzer offers him a scholarship on the spot. Aikman accepts.

1985
Aikman breaks his ankle in the fourth game of his sophomore season at OU. Jamelle Holieway takes over at quarterback and leads Oklahoma to the national championship.

1986
With Holieway established as the starting quarterback at OU, Aikman decides to transfer to UCLA. He's required to sit out the 1986 season.

1987
Aikman is named UCLA's starting QB the day before the 1987 season opener against San Diego State.

1989
Aikman finishes his UCLA career with a 20-4 record and a victory over Arkansas in the 1989 Cotton Bowl. As a Bruin, Aikman completed 64.8 percent of his passes for 5,298 yards and 41 touchdowns. He finished his career as the third-rated passer in NCAA history.

Yep, and I remember him and Tom Landry standing at the 50 yard line talking right after the game. I knew Troy was going to be a Cowboy at that moment. I still have the tape from that Cotton Bowl game.

 

[Alexander]

Link Hos.

That was quite some time ago, long before Al Gore invented the internet. So finding a link might be difficult.

Mr. Hostile is correct on this.

 

[joseephuss]

Yep, and I remember him and Tom Landry standing at the 50 yard line talking right after the game. I knew Troy was going to be a Cowboy at that moment. I still have the tape from that Cotton Bowl game.

I often wonder if Tex and Tom would have drafted Aikman. Seemed like the logical choice, but it is possible that those two could have gone a different direction. Especially with the great Steve Peuller already on the team.

 

[Chuck 54]

A sensible response but this is a bit harsh and idealistic. This is life afterall, so why should we begrudge people who come from relatively modest backgrounds wanting to provide financial security for themselves and their families?

I don't begrudge them at all...I think they foolishly miss the boat in life. Since most of these guys do indeed fail to live up to their potential in the NFL, what I'm saying is they should have a wider/longer vision. Being successful in one's career will bring more money over the long haul.

These QBs are not going to go from being a top 10 pick to being a 3rd rounder by coming back for their senior years.

We always hear about the risk of injury, but I wish someone would name 1 player who was going to be in the top 10 his junior year who fell out of the money by coming back and playing his senior year. With the insurance all these top players take out on themselves for their senior years, I just don't see the risk, and I don't think they see the money they are giving up over a lifetime if they don't prepare themselves fully.

 

[Hostile]

I often wonder if Tex and Tom would have drafted Aikman. Seemed like the logical choice, but it is possible that those two could have gone a different direction. Especially with the great Steve Peuller already on the team.

Not a doubt in my mind Aikman was the Cowboys guy regardless of who captained the ship. In fact, I told my Grandmother we would long before the season was over.

 

[Doomsday101]

I often wonder if Tex and Tom would have drafted Aikman. Seemed like the logical choice, but it is possible that those two could have gone a different direction. Especially with the great Steve Peuller already on the team.

I never had a doubt that Dallas would take Troy. Tom had gone through several QB's once Danny broke his wrist. This pick seemed like a no brainier to me. I was a bit concerned when Jimmy Johnson entered the picture but was damn happy when it became apparent that Troy was going to be the man.

 

[Jarv]

Back in 1989 were underclassmen even eligible for the draft ?

 

[joseephuss]

Back in 1989 were underclassmen even eligible for the draft ?

Barry Sanders was a junior in that draft.

 

[Doomsday101]

Back in 1989 were underclassmen even eligible for the draft ?

That was the 1st year underclassmen were allowed to enter the draft but it was also the year that the NFL would place an age limit which is what hurt Clarett

 

[joseephuss]

That was the 1st year underclassmen were allowed to enter the draft but it was also the year that the NFL would place an age limit which is what hurt Clarett

It is not an age limit. It is a life experience limit.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm at work. At home I could go right to the page. I am 100% positive Aikman was a Sr. and so was Rodney Peete. I remember the Heisman hype out here in Pac 10 country.

OK, I understand. Lets get passed the Sr vs Jr for a sec. If you look at Aikman, he really only played 3 seasons. Now, I will grant you, he had time to mature based on how old he was when he was drafted but in so far as actual football knowledge, he was not any more prepared, IMO, then a Jr. All I'm saying here is that if your great, I don't think it matters. You will be great regardless, assuming the situation you come into is conducive to your developement. You can be as matured and polished as is possible but if you get drafted into the wrong situation, IE Carr in Houston, Vinnie or Williams or Young in Tampa Bay, it's going to be much more detramental to your long term success. At least, that's the way I view it.

 

[Alexander]

Not a doubt in my mind Aikman was the Cowboys guy regardless of who captained the ship. In fact, I told my Grandmother we would long before the season was over.

Link?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Link?

Well, that was some time ago Al.

 

[Hostile]

Link?

Best I can do.

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46843

 

[AbeBeta]

Um. That would be EVERY OTHER QB taken.

If you're not a junior, you're a senior.

Off the top of my head:

Peyton and Eli Manning
Palmer
Rothlesburger

We also took a senior QB in the first that ended up being pretty good....

ummm -- but how does that compare in terms of the number that busted? the issue isn't whether there were some successful first round seniors -- rather what the ratio was. 3 of 14 juniors have been succesful (actually this is inflated as it includes recent draftees like Alex Smith who hasn't had a chance to be succesful).

Since that time there have been 40 total QBs drafted in the first. Seniors busted as well. Dan McGwire, David Klingler, Rick Mirer, Jim Drukenmiller, Akili Smith.

I'm not saying that the analysis is wrong -- only that the writer provided data that hangs in space without any comparative context. If a writer wants to claim that junior QBs are bad picks and presents a success rate for them it is not meaningful -- unless we know what the average success rate for senior is.

 

[AbeBeta]

This artical is not about Bledsoe only showing how QB who were underclassmen have faird since they were allowed to enter the drafter in 1989.

Actually, it states "None of the 14 appears headed for the Professional Football Hall of Fame" -- and I said that might not be an accurate statement.

What, you don't like me picking apart an article that supports what you want to say?

 

[Doomsday101]

Actually, it states "None of the 14 appears headed for the Professional Football Hall of Fame" -- and I said that might not be an accurate statement.

What, you don't like me picking apart an article that supports what you want to say?

I don't care if you pick it apart but it was not about Bledsoe per say, yes he was mentioned in the artical and if you want to pick apart an artical that is your choice. I guess the writer put in the word "appears" for a reason.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't care if you pick it apart but it was not about Bledsoe per say, yes he was mentioned in the artical and if you want to pick apart an artical that is your choice. I guess the writer put in the word "appears" for a reason.

That article wasn't about Drew but the theme of the article was "stay in school" - several points were made, only a few of those who came out early were succesful was one point -- within that point there was information about how many played in an SB and how many were going to the HoF.

The author downplayed Drew's accomplishments to make the stay in school point -- and I dispute that claim.