Underclassmen QB leaving early

[Doomsday101]

That article wasn't about Drew but the theme of the article was "stay in school" - several points were made, only a few of those who came out early were succesful was one point -- within that point there was information about how many played in an SB and how many were going to the HoF.

The author downplayed Drew's accomplishments to make the stay in school point -- and I dispute that claim.

I did not take it as down playing Bledsoe he shows Bledsoe is one of the few that have went on to have a long career and mentioned Bledsoe and Dilfer were the only 2 to get their teams to the SB. Even you said “Bledsoe just might end up in the hall. If he has 3 more seasons like this last one -- not impossible given his age, he's going to be among the top 5passers in just about every category.” So is appears your not sure about it either. You act as if this whole article is to pick on Bledsoe and that is not the case nor am I against Bledsoe god knows I have stuck up for Drew while many around here have attacked him from the start.

 

[AbeBeta]

I did not take it as down playing Bledsoe he shows Bledsoe is one of the few that have went on to have a long career and mentioned Bledsoe and Dilfer were the only 2 to get their teams to the SB. Even you said “Bledsoe just might end up in the hall. If he has 3 more seasons like this last one -- not impossible given his age, he's going to be among the top 5passers in just about every category.” So is appears your not sure about it either. You act as if this whole article is to pick on Bledsoe and that is not the case nor am I against Bledsoe god knows I have stuck up for Drew while many around here have attacked him from the start.

No, actually it was just a point of interest. but also a point that takes some of the air out of the stay in school bit.

My main issue with the article - if you look at my other posts is that the author cites statistics for underclassmen but not for seniors -- which is an idiotic way to make a claim because it leaves the intelligent reader unsure as to whether underclassmen have less or even more success than seniors.

 

[Verdict]

I love that article. It coincides with a sermon I've been preaching here all season long about the value of the Senior year for QBs.

I think Brady Quinn made the right choice and Young the wrong choice. I understand he felt his value might never be higher, but value doesn't help your career go anywhere, experience and maturity does.

I agree that if all things are equal that staying in school is the much better decision long term. It might also be more financially beneficial, in the long run. On the other hand, if Heath Shuler got $24 million of GUARANTEED MONEY for coming out early, it is hard to argue against coming out early. If he had been injured or had a bad year the following year, it could ultimately make him of no value, such as Jason White from OU.

If my own child was offered $24 million to come out early, or stay and risk injury, I'd tell him to take the $24 million and not look back. I guess my thought is if you are pretty much guaranteed a top five pick, come on out as a general rule, unless you just really dont want to play for any of the teams that have a chance at taking you. Not everyone has the leverage that the "whiner" Eli Manning had.

Conversely though, for the player that can go back to school who would not be a top five pick, staying in school would net him millions of dollars more by just bumping his draft position five spots.

These are tough decisions these kids have to make, with sketchy information. I think how good the players are around them also should enter into that equation. I believe that is why there are a couple of underclassmen from USC jumping ship early (other than Reggie Bush). They see a dropoff in talent (leadership) coming at USC next year and are betting their draft position next year wont be as high as it will be this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

No, actually it was just a point of interest. but also a point that takes some of the air out of the stay in school bit.

My main issue with the article - if you look at my other posts is that the author cites statistics for underclassmen but not for seniors -- which is an idiotic way to make a claim because it leaves the intelligent reader unsure as to whether underclassmen have less or even more success than seniors.

If you got some time here is a link of QB's drafted since 1983. 1989 is the 1st year that underclassmen are able to enter the draft. This artical also was talking about 1st rd picks
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/positions/QB

 

[AbeBeta]

If you got some time here is a link of QB's drafted since 1983. 1989 is the 1st year that underclassmen are able to enter the draft.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/positions/QB

yes but it isn't clear to me who came out as juniors -- the article mentions only about half of those who were juniors draft in the first. I've got a list of the 40 since 1989. Just don't know who came out early.

 

[Doomsday101]

yes but it isn't clear to me who came out as juniors -- the article mentions only about half of those who were juniors draft in the first. I've got a list of the 40 since 1989. Just don't know who came out early.

That is why I said if you have some time because the link I gave does not indicate if the player came out early or not. If I can find any info on this I'll be more than happy to post it.

 

[AbeBeta]

That is why I said if you have some time because the link I gave does not indicate if the player came out early or not. If I can find any info on this I'll be more than happy to post it.

Did some looking -- the first thing that immediately comes to my attention is that Ben Rothlisberger came out early.

Seems like that point is kinda important. And completely ignored by the article's author. You would almost have to guess that the author is either ignorant to this fact or intentionally avoiding it to make his point.

 

[AbeBeta]

hmm. Vick too. you'd have to put him in the succesful category. not great so far but has had considerable success.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

hmm. Vick too. you'd have to put him in the succesful category. not great so far but has had considerable success.

I thought about mentioning him in my initial post but elected not to. At this point, even though he's had some success, I just don't think he's a good NFL QB yet. I'd view him as "Jury still out." JMO

 

[AbeBeta]

I thought about mentioning him in my initial post but elected not to. At this point, even though he's had some success, I just don't think he's a good NFL QB yet. I'd view him as "Jury still out." JMO

but if you are going to write an article stating that underclassmen don't have success it seems a little suspicious to not mention a) Rothlisberger who will play in the SB next week (especially if you say "only 3 have played in SB") and b) Vick who led his team to the NFC championship game.

really, I think this article is kinda b.s. -- the author omits some important information to make his point stronger.

 

[Rack]

I love that article. It coincides with a sermon I've been preaching here all season long about the value of the Senior year for QBs.

I think Brady Quinn made the right choice and Young the wrong choice. I understand he felt his value might never be higher, but value doesn't help your career go anywhere, experience and maturity does.

I still think Young will be just fine if he gets the "Steve McNair" treatment. Let him sit on the bench for 2 years and learn how it's done. In fact, I think the Titans would be the perfect team for him to go to. He can get the Steve McNair treatment and learn from Steve McNair himself in the process.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

but if you are going to write an article stating that underclassmen don't have success it seems a little suspicious to not mention a) Rothlisberger who will play in the SB next week (especially if you say "only 3 have played in SB") and b) Vick who led his team to the NFC championship game.

really, I think this article is kinda b.s. -- the author omits some important information to make his point stronger.

I agree and as I'm sure you can see, I am definatly in the minority on Young. I just think if your talented and you get the right opportunity, it will work out for you. This of course assumes your not Quincy Carter or Marcus Vick.

 

[DallasCowpoke111]

I agree and as I'm sure you can see, I am definatly in the minority on Young. I just think if your talented and you get the right opportunity, it will work out for you.

I'd like to take this op, to point out that my very 1st post here (at the old .net site actually) was concerning C. Simms, and how mistaken folks have been regarding his talent and potential.

I'd like to go on record again here, that in three years, more than likely less, I'll be posting the same type thread concerning V. Young. If the Titans get him, with their coaching staff and picks, they'll be back in the AFC Championship final-4 by 09 easily.

 

[Hostile]

I still think Young will be just fine if he gets the "Steve McNair" treatment. Let him sit on the bench for 2 years and learn how it's done. In fact, I think the Titans would be the perfect team for him to go to. He can get the Steve McNair treatment and learn from Steve McNair himself in the process.

There are several ways that he can be fine. I just think it would help his development to have another year of college ball under his belt.

 

[Doomsday101]

hmm. Vick too. you'd have to put him in the succesful category. not great so far but has had considerable success.

As an athlete yes as a QB no, Atl is now getting Musgrave to come to Atl with the hope he will help turn Vick around as a QB. They have blamed everyone under the moon for Vick short coming as a QB from the offense being ran to the WR and the fact remains as a QB Vick still has a ways to go.