Uninspired

[rcaldw]

I know my views won't surprise anyone, but please allow me to at least express them. I believe that Jones' move to bring Phillips back is RIGHT from a conventional point of view, but is WRONG from a visionary point of view.

He won't get criticized for doing it. In fact, most people inside football and even in fandom will praise him for the decision.

But my personal opinion is that he has just sentenced us to what the Romo era will now become. Franchise QB's don't come around very often. Bus drivers you can get in abundance but guys with special qualities you really almost luck into. When you consider that we got our guy with special qualities as an undrafted free agent, it is mega luck.

I believe that a Wade Phillips led team will be just what we saw this year. Flashes of encouragement, and somewhere along the line, whether early or late, major disappointment.

I don't have to say I hope I'm wrong, every Cowboys fan, including me already knows that we hope people like me are wrong, but I just can't help it, today's news didn't encourage me an ounce.

Who else would I want? I don't know, that's not my job, but I know the KIND of person I would want, and its not Wade Phillips. Nice guy. Good coordinator. But I just don't believe he's a head coach that takes a team to the Super Bowl. Just don't.

Romo has a limited window, I think Witten has an even smaller window, and just like it was with Jay Novacek and Aikman, Cowboys fans may not know just how much that guy means to Romo.

I like Jason Garrett, ok, but I would rather have both the guys gone than to have this two headed approach.

Alright, vent is over. Looking at watching some more playoffs without the Cowboys and preparing for draft day.

 

[craig71]

I know my views won't surprise anyone, but please allow me to at least express them. I believe that Jones' move to bring Phillips back is RIGHT from a conventional point of view, but is WRONG from a visionary point of view.

He won't get criticized for doing it. In fact, most people inside football and even in fandom will praise him for the decision.

But my personal opinion is that he has just sentenced us to what the Romo era will now become. Franchise QB's don't come around very often. Bus drivers you can get in abundance but guys with special qualities you really almost luck into. When you consider that we got our guy with special qualities as an undrafted free agent, it is mega luck.

I believe that a Wade Phillips led team will be just what we saw this year. Flashes of encouragement, and somewhere along the line, whether early or late, major disappointment.

I don't have to say I hope I'm wrong, every Cowboys fan, including me already knows that we hope people like me are wrong, but I just can't help it, today's news didn't encourage me an ounce.

Who else would I want? I don't know, that's not my job, but I know the KIND of person I would want, and its not Wade Phillips. Nice guy. Good coordinator. But I just don't believe he's a head coach that takes a team to the Super Bowl. Just don't.

Romo has a limited window, I think Witten has an even smaller window, and just like it was with Jay Novacek and Aikman, Cowboys fans may not know just how much that guy means to Romo.

I like Jason Garrett, ok, but I would rather have both the guys gone than to have this two headed approach.

Alright, vent is over. Looking at watching some more playoffs without the Cowboys and preparing for draft day.

I'm not much on Wade the HC either but I guess i'm going to have to get used to him coming back.If I were Jerry I would have took a couple weeks and done some cyphering on what to do.To be honest about it I don't think Wade and Garrett compliment each other all that well.But then again that's just an opinion.I myself would have sent one or the other packing,preferably Wade.I don't think you can send both packing,I think dismissing both would leave to big a vacuum.


Craig

 

[windward]

If Jason holds up as long as Jay did, he will have a 4-5 year window to win ring , which is what I figured anyway.

If we continue to draft well, who knows?

 

[Juke99]

I dunno, it just seems that there is a long enough history and large enough body of work to feel that Wade has reached his ceiling as a coach.

It doesn't seem likely that suddenly, after all these years, he's going to become a super bowl winning coach.

But hey, who knows.

 

[craig71]

I dunno, it just seems that there is a long enough history and large enough body of work to feel that Wade has reached his ceiling as a coach.

It doesn't seem likely that suddenly, after all these years, he's going to become a super bowl winning coach.

But hey, who knows.

Blind hogs do find acorns every once in awhile.

Craig

 

[gmoney112]

I know my views won't surprise anyone, but please allow me to at least express them. I believe that Jones' move to bring Phillips back is RIGHT from a conventional point of view, but is WRONG from a visionary point of view.

I can't stop rereading this.

 

[windward]

I dunno, it just seems that there is a long enough history and large enough body of work to feel that Wade has reached his ceiling as a coach.

It doesn't seem likely that suddenly, after all these years, he's going to become a super bowl winning coach.

But hey, who knows.

And many thought he couldn't win a playoff game.

I'm sorry, I just can't be so absolute about the NFL when things that supposedly will never happen, does eventually occur.

 

[Bach]

I dunno, it just seems that there is a long enough history and large enough body of work to feel that Wade has reached his ceiling as a coach.

It doesn't seem likely that suddenly, after all these years, he's going to become a super bowl winning coach.

But hey, who knows.

He had a lengthy slighly above average resume when he was hired. He's now been here three years and has done about what he always does: gets teams in or near the playoffs and not much more. He did finally get his first playoff win, but then followed that up with an enormous thud.

So I don't know what makes people think after all this time that he'll suddenly string 3-4 playoff wins together in one season. But like you said, who knows? It's just the odds aren't stacked in our favor. Let's just keeping doing the same thing and hope for a different result.

 

[Bach]

And many thought he couldn't win a playoff game.

I'm sorry, I just can't be so absolute about the NFL when things that supposedly will never happen, does eventually occur.

Yeah, he's now 1-5 in the playoffs. That's a far cry though from winning 3-4 in a row in the same postseason, which is what it'd take to win a Super Bowl.

The question is, can we do better? I think yes. But obviously Jerry isn't interested in the best, he apparently likes the status quo setup for some reason (power/control issues).

 

[dbair1967]

I dunno, it just seems that there is a long enough history and large enough body of work to feel that Wade has reached his ceiling as a coach.

It doesn't seem likely that suddenly, after all these years, he's going to become a super bowl winning coach.

But hey, who knows.

So IF he did win a Super Bowl next year or the year after next, does Wade then become labeled an elite coach, or even just a quality coach?

Also, I'm not sure if he has a long enough body of work to make a definite judgement on him. He got only 2yrs in Denver. He got 3 in Buffalo. With limited talent in both those places he didnt have a losing season and got both teams to the playoffs. He's been a playoff coach and NFC East winner twice in three years here.

Tom Landry is arguably the best coach in NFL History, he didnt coach in a super bowl until he'd been on the job 10 years. So many in this forum have a hard-on for Bill Cowher, it took him FIFTEEN years to win a championship. Some love Tony Dungy, he never got a team to a super bowl until his 11th year as a head coach. Jeff Fisher has 1 super bowl season in about 16yrs as a head coach.

Again I'm not a huge Wade fan, in fact I was very adament after last season's debacle that I thought he should be canned. After a slow start this yr, I think he showed he can be a winning HC.

I guess I'm not so much on the replace Wade bandwagon because I'm not convinced that whoever replaces him will be an obvious upgrade. People will be thrilled with a new coach the day we hire him, but three years later if/when he still hasnt won a championship, what was gained?

 

[Juke99]

And many thought he couldn't win a playoff game.

I'm sorry, I just can't be so absolute about the NFL when things that supposedly will never happen, does eventually occur.

I would have been a lot more comfortable with that playoff win IF the team didn't implode like it did against the Vikings.

34-3.

Yikes.

But hey, we're here because we're fans...so lets hope for the best.

 

[dbair1967]

I would have been a lot more comfortable with that playoff win IF the team didn't implode like it did against the Vikings.

34-3.

Yikes.

But hey, we're here because we're fans...so lets hope for the best.

The score said 34-3, but the game was not that lopsided and in truth, was a game we still could have won in the 4th qtr.

No matter how hard some try, this years loss to Minnesota is NOT like last years loss to Philly. That game was clearly over before halftime and the team looked like a bunch of quitters in each of the last two games of the season. That wasnt the case this year.

 

[Juke99]

So IF he did win a Super Bowl next year or the year after next, does Wade them become labeled an elite coach, or even just a quality coach?

Also, I'm not sure if he has a long enough body of work to make a definite judgement on him. He got only 2yrs in Denver. He got 3 in Buffalo. With limited talent in both those places he didnt have a losing season and got both teams to the playoffs. He's been a playoff coach and NFC East winner twice in three years here.

Tom Landry is arguably the best coach in NFL History, he didnt coach in a super bowl until he'd been on the job 10 years. So many in this forum have a hard-on for Bill Cowher, it took him FIFTEEN years to win a championship. Some love Tony Dungy, he never got a team to a super bowl until his 11th year as a head coach. Jeff Fisher has 1 super bowl season in about 16yrs as a head coach.

Again I'm not a huge Wade fan, in fact I was very adament after last season's debacle that I thought he should be canned. After a slow start this yr, I think he showed he can be a winning HC.

I guess I'm not so much on the replace Wade bandwagon because I'm not convinced that whoever replaces him will be an obvious upgrade. People will be thrilled with a new coach the day we hire him, but three years later if/when he still hasnt won a championship, what was gained?

Hey look....I'm not getting on the guy...I'm just voicing a concern. I never said to replace him. I voiced a concern that I simply don't know if he has the capacity to win a championship. Everyone has limitations. I am suspecting that Wade's limitations place him short of a super bowl.

Problem with this place at times is, ya can't state an opinion without it being responded to in black and white fashion...everything around here becomes extremes.

That said, can we please not do things like compare Wade Phillips to Tom Landry?

We know our Cowboy history better than that. Landry started off without a draft and taking scrubs off of every NFL roster.

He was a lot younger and a lot less experienced when he took over the Cowboys.

Also, the league wasn't parity driven then. Teams can turn their fortunes in very short order in today's NFL....not so back when Landry was the coach.

 

[Juke99]

The score said 34-3, but the game was not that lopsided and in truth, was a game we still could have won in the 4th qtr.

No matter how hard some try, this years loss to Minnesota is NOT like last years loss to Philly. That game was clearly over before halftime and the team looked like a bunch of quitters in each of the last two games of the season. That wasnt the case this year.

Again, db, I'm not "trying" to prove anything.

The score was 34-3.

Now we're going to start to excuse final scores by saying that the game wasn't that lopsided?

Like I said, I'm not coming at this with an agenda.

I'm not excited about Wade Phillips as the head coach. Shoot me.

I think it's very possible that just like a player has a ceiling, so do coaches. I am concerned that Wade has reached his.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I guess I'm not so much on the replace Wade bandwagon because I'm not convinced that whoever replaces him will be an obvious upgrade. People will be thrilled with a new coach the day we hire him, but three years later if/when he still hasnt won a championship, what was gained?

That's the thing right there. People act like if a coach wins a Superbowl, he has some kind of special magic that ordinary coaches don't have, and I don't believe that. Some coaches are better than others, sure. But the players are everything.

I think there's a fair chance the Colts win it all this year. Were the Colts just lucky to have a special coach under their noses all these years in Caldwell? No, he just has Peyton Manning, exactly like Dungy did -- the same Dungy who got the "can't win it all" tag in Tampa.

Heck, even rcaldw's fave Norv has done things you never could've predicted based on his record in Washington and Oakland. Did he suddenly become a great coach? No, he got a really good QB and other good players found by their good GM. That's about it.

 

[theogt]

Novel thread.

 

[dbair1967]

Hey look....I'm not getting on the guy...I'm just voicing a concern. I never said to replace him. I voiced a concern that I simply don't know if he has the capacity to win a championship. Everyone has limitations. I am suspecting that Wade's limitations place him short of a super bowl.

Did Barry Switzer appear to have the capacity to be a championship coach? Weeb Ewbank? Brian Billick? I mean there's only so many exceptional coaches out there. Not every great coach wins a super bowl, and not every coach thats won a super bowl is great.

Problem with this place at times is, ya can't state an opinion without it being responded to in black and white fashion...everything around here becomes extremes.

I dont think my response was an extreme. I'm in the middle on him.

That said, can we please not do things like compare Wade Phillips to Tom Landry?

I wasnt hinting Wade would ever be a Landry, I just said it took Landry 10 years to get to a Super Bowl. And those first 4 or 5 years were with lesser teams, but many believed our talent from the mid 60's onward was the best in football.

Also, the league wasn't parity driven then. Teams can turn their fortunes in very short order in today's NFL....not so back when Landry was the coach.

Thats why I gave a few other examples as well.

 

[dreghorn2]

It really makes one wonder what, if any, changes would be made if Jerrys 'perfect' coaching setup wasn't in place.

Are there any other competent coaches that would work under a similar system. Head coach offense, head coach defense, GM/owner/spokesman.

The perception that this is Jerrys ideal setup may be untrue, but if it is real, then people are dreaming if there could be any other scenario.

Phillips accepts being head coach under the conditions required, Garrett gets big money and offensive autonomy, and Jerry gets the limelight.

Tough to break up the team when nobody else will play by your rules.

Have to wonder if the 'continuity' is really best for the team or best for Jerry.

Go Cowboys.

 

[dbair1967]

Again, db, I'm not "trying" to prove anything.

The score was 34-3.

Now we're going to start to excuse final scores by saying that the game wasn't that lopsided?

Like I said, I'm not coming at this with an agenda.

I'm not excited about Wade Phillips as the head coach. Shoot me.

I think it's very possible that just like a player has a ceiling, so do coaches. I am concerned that Wade has reached his.

And you may well be right, not blasting you at all for it.

 

[theogt]

Again, db, I'm not "trying" to prove anything.

The score was 34-3.

Now we're going to start to excuse final scores by saying that the game wasn't that lopsided?

Like I said, I'm not coming at this with an agenda.

I'm not excited about Wade Phillips as the head coach. Shoot me.

I think it's very possible that just like a player has a ceiling, so do coaches. I am concerned that Wade has reached his.

Who's the last Cowboys head coach you were happy with?

I think the question becomes whether you'll be "happy" with any head coach until he wins a Super Bowl. And given that reality, there's no point exploring what would make you happy in terms of a head coach RIGHT NOW.