Uninspired

[Doomsay]

The score said 34-3, but the game was not that lopsided and in truth, was a game we still could have won in the 4th qtr.

No matter how hard some try, this years loss to Minnesota is NOT like last years loss to Philly. That game was clearly over before halftime and the team looked like a bunch of quitters in each of the last two games of the season. That wasnt the case this year.

Sorry 34-3 is 34-3, we got annihilated the only place that counts, the scoreboard.

 

[theogt]

Sorry 34-3 is 34-3, we got annihilated the only place that counts, the scoreboard.

Here comes the "simple" analysis.

 

[wileedog]

I don't dispute your facts concerning Jones/Jones/more Jones and Phillips/Garrett

I actually do think they have done a good job since Parcells left in the talent area. I give Jerry credit there. He is listening to the right people somewhere.

In terms of the player's perspectives, I would remind you that in the one case you had the perspectives being voiced by players who had already won 2 Super Bowls. They knew what it took to get there and win it. They knew that the weak handed approach was a VERY DIFFICULT way to get there. In fact, it took the strong handed approach of some of those veteran players to get it done. Thus "overcoming" the coach.

This version of our Cowboys hasn't gotten there. All they know is that they like the man. Who wouldn't? He is a very nice man. I also believe he knows football. I also believe he especially knows defense. But does he represent the very best coach we could have for this open window for success? Is our goal NFC East Championships or a Super Bowl Championship? We are 1-3 in the playoffs under Wade. Our season has now ended two years in a row with a blowout.

And though I give Wade credit for regrouping this team this year, lets face it, we were one loss away, in New Orleans, of this thing blowing up 2 years in a row.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm simply explaining why I'm not enthused with the reports of a 3 year extension.

I'm right there with you.

Its not "Wade sucks!!!" Its not "I wanted Shanny!"

Its I don't think Wade is the best coach for this team, or that enough thought was put into it.

Wade was a sloppy seconds pick up in 2007 when Parcells took too long to quit. Most people readily admit there wasn't a whole lot available at that point, and we wound up with a DC on his 4th attempt to get over the hump.

I still don't understand how he survives 44-6 - although I strongly suspect the reasoning was more financial than anything - and he was on the ropes again after the SD loss in December. But then the team goes on a 4 week run beating 1 quality team and suddenly he is The Answer.

33 years of coaching history rewritten in a month. And then reprised in Minnesota with another spanking.

I just don't get why anyone is excited about this.

 

[sonnyboy]

I don't dispute your facts concerning Jones/Jones/more Jones and Phillips/Garrett

I actually do think they have done a good job since Parcells left in the talent area. I give Jerry credit there. He is listening to the right people somewhere.

In terms of the player's perspectives, I would remind you that in the one case you had the perspectives being voiced by players who had already won 2 Super Bowls. They knew what it took to get there and win it. They knew that the weak handed approach was a VERY DIFFICULT way to get there. In fact, it took the strong handed approach of some of those veteran players to get it done. Thus "overcoming" the coach.

This version of our Cowboys hasn't gotten there. All they know is that they like the man. Who wouldn't? He is a very nice man. I also believe he knows football. I also believe he especially knows defense. But does he represent the very best coach we could have for this open window for success? Is our goal NFC East Championships or a Super Bowl Championship? We are 1-3 in the playoffs under Wade. Our season has now ended two years in a row with a blowout.

And though I give Wade credit for regrouping this team this year, lets face it, we were one loss away, in New Orleans, of this thing blowing up 2 years in a row.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm simply explaining why I'm not enthused with the reports of a 3 year extension.

Ya and on two occasions we were one win away from playing in the conference championship.

I'm not saying there aren't better HCs out their right now. But now is not the time for change.

 

[Doomsay]

Here comes the "simple" analysis.

Can't dumb it down enough for you, I know.

 

[rcaldw]

Ya and on two occasions we were one win away from playing in the conference championship.

I'm not saying there aren't better HCs out their right now. But now is not the time for change.

You are right on your first point. And believe me, I hope you are right on the 2nd.

 

[Doomsay]

I'm right there with you.

Its not "Wade sucks!!!" Its not "I wanted Shanny!"

Its I don't think Wade is the best coach for this team, or that enough thought was put into it.

Wade was a sloppy seconds pick up in 2007 when Parcells took too long to quit. Most people readily admit there wasn't a whole lot available at that point, and we wound up with a DC on his 4th attempt to get over the hump.

I still don't understand how he survives 44-6 - although I strongly suspect the reasoning was more financial than anything - and he was on the ropes again after the SD loss in December. But then the team goes on a 4 week run beating 1 quality team and suddenly he is The Answer.

33 years of coaching history rewritten in a month. And then reprised in Minnesota with another spanking.

I just don't get why anyone is excited about this.

I think that the short answer is that people believe that the 4 game streak is the true trajectory of this team, not the three catastrophic season endings. Wade has certainly done enough on the defensive side of the ball to warrant hope, but I'm not sure that that is the same as being a HC that can motivate and strategically guide an entire team (offense + defense) through the playoffs.

 

[Joe_Fan]

The score said 34-3, but the game was not that lopsided and in truth, was a game we still could have won in the 4th qtr.

No matter how hard some try, this years loss to Minnesota is NOT like last years loss to Philly. That game was clearly over before halftime and the team looked like a bunch of quitters in each of the last two games of the season. That wasnt the case this year.

No offense but after Flo went down and seeing how our offense was responding, even with it being close for a while score wise, I had no feeling that we were going to win.

It just wasn't our day.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

FEELIN' UN-INSPIRED....think I'll start a fire.

EVERYBODY RuuUUN .... Bobbys' got a GUuuuN.

I think your KINDA neaaat...then she tells me I'm a freak..friends don't MEAN a THAaANG....think I'll leave it up to mehh....








TAKE TIiiime WITH A wounded HAaanD, cause it likes to heal...take TiiiiME with a woundeed HaaanD ...cause it LIiikes to STEAL...I like to heal!!


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[SilverStarCowboy]

FEELIN' UN-INSPIRED....think I'll start a fire.

EVERYBODY RuuUUN .... Bobbys' got a GUuuuN.

I think your KINDA neaaat...then she tells me I'm a freak..friends don't MEAN a THAaANG....think I'll leave it up to mehh....








TAKE TIiiime WITH A wounded HAaanD, cause it likes to heal...take TiiiiME with a woundeed HaaanD ...cause it LIiikes to STEAL...I like to heal!!


:

I'm HALF THE MAN I USED TO BE,....I''m FEELIN' stoned and dazed ....HALF ........HALF the man I used to be.....half the man I used to beee.....1/2 tha man I USED TO BEeeeEEEee!


:starspin :starspin

 

[kramskoi]

Juke may be right in Wade has reached his zenith. I on the other hand think that sometime in the next three years and I suspect next year will give him his greatest chance at a SB.

All three years has revealed a flaw(s).

My worry is this years flaws of not scoring on a par with the yardage gained and the possible exposure of the OL may prove to be too challenging for the Cowboys. And I say Cowboys and not just Wade. I think the defense is close to being dominating. We are a ball hawking FS away from that IMO. No matter what I think next year shows some improvement on defense. My main worry is the offense. And I don't see that as much Wade's problem as I do Jason Garrett. And Wade has had no say so on that aspect of the Cowboys from day one. We failed to score 80 points per 1000 yards of offense or the magic number of 25+ points per game. We met the goal of 17 points a game given up.

It's not a simple question of having a HC to put us over the hump. We need continued excellence by the defense, continued good play by STs (minus field goal kicking) and improvement of the offense if we want to win a championship.

And no one here has even talked about the talent needed or lacking on this club which is more important than the coaching IMO.

right...and i think expectations for this team soared with the emergence of Austin and everybody starting thinking playoffs and superbowls but if that kid did'nt suddenly breakout then there'd have been no playoffs this year...the offense would've crashed and burned...it was teetering on the brink of disaster mid-season...Roy Williams with a catch rate around 40% just won't cut it...he's a drag on the offense...Romo is not going to target this guy 15 times a game...he's a liability and unless the Cowboys solve this problem then the offense won't return to 07 form...put the 07 offense with the 09 defense and the Cowboys become a frightening team...a team capable of winning 12 or more games to get home field advantage and a first round bye...

...if you look around the conference...five teams are going to be there next year...GB...NY...PHI...MIN and NO...Dallas will butt heads with all of them and those games will be crucial to how the season goes [7 crucial games]...so next year it is imperative that the offense is operating at a higher level...if not then Dallas could actually miss the playoffs even with the talent level...just look at the schedule...i see a LOT of good offenses on that list...6 playoff teams and 2 more potential and who knows what happens with the Commanders next year...i see three or four cupcakes at most...Dallas could lose more than half of their away games...the iron was hot in 2007 but Dallas did'nt take advantage, though i don't think that they would've beaten New England that year...not with Roy Williams at SS and Henry at CB...now the conference is MUCH more competitive than it was then...



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[dbair1967]

That's all well and good...but it's not what I'm talking about...

I am saying, I have a concern after Wade's extensive body of work (that is, 33 years in the NFL) that his plateau might be exactly where he is now.

But he hasnt been a HC all those years Juke, he's only bee a HC for 8 of them. As I noted yesterday, several coaches who people have fairly high opinions of took longer than that to get to or win a championship.

It seems you are trying to draw a correlation between a coaches age and his ability to win a championship, and I'm not sure that is the case at all. Correct me if I'm wrong, but several of your posts hint at that.

 

[dbair1967]

No offense but after Flo went down and seeing how our offense was responding, even with it being close for a while score wise, I had no feeling that we were going to win.

It just wasn't our day.

It was 17-3, and had our kicker made those two fg's it would have been 17-9.

As bad as things were going after Flo went down I did believe we had a chance to come back, until they scored that TD to Rice to make it 27-3. Not saying I expected it, but I did believe we had a chance.

 

[dbair1967]

My main worry is the offense. And I don't see that as much Wade's problem as I do Jason Garrett. And Wade has had no say so on that aspect of the Cowboys from day one. We failed to score 80 points per 1000 yards of offense or the magic number of 25+ points per game. We met the goal of 17 points a game given up.

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I think some are reading alot more into this than whats there. We scored 361 pts and some are acting like that is some horribly low figure. Just averaging 2pts a game more would have got us to 393. You do realize in 1993 we had a team some considered the best of the Jerry Jones era, we won a 2nd super bowl under Jimmy and had the guy many considered to be the best offensive coordinator in football. That season we scored not even 1pt per game more than this one. We totaled 376 pts for the season. We scored 38 offensive tds that year. This year we scored 40 offensive tds.

There are alot of factors that go into why we didnt score more points. None of which cant be corrected. We had too many untimely penalties. We missed too many field goals (11 during the regular season, 13 total counting the playoffs). We had a few untimely turnovers. The OL's inability to run block consistently is also a factor, and that unit almost solely lost the playoff game the other day. Too many times we needed a yard or two, and couldnt get it because of breakdowns on the OL.

I also dont see how 25pts per game and 400 total is a "magic number". It looks nice, but it doesnt guarantee success. 2007 we scored 455 pts, the 2nd highest total in franchise history in a 16 game season, and it didnt guarantee postseason success. The last year Parcells was coach, we scored 425, and all that got us was a 9-7 record and a one and done postseason.

 

[jobberone]

I think some are reading alot more into this than whats there. We scored 361 pts and some are acting like that is some horribly low figure. Just averaging 2pts a game more would have got us to 393. You do realize in 1993 we had a team some considered the best of the Jerry Jones era, we won a 2nd super bowl under Jimmy and had the guy many considered to be the best offensive coordinator in football. That season we scored not even 1pt per game more than this one. We totaled 376 pts for the season. We scored 38 offensive tds that year. This year we scored 40 offensive tds.

There are alot of factors that go into why we didnt score more points. None of which cant be corrected. We had too many untimely penalties. We missed too many field goals (11 during the regular season, 13 total counting the playoffs). We had a few untimely turnovers. The OL's inability to run block consistently is also a factor, and that unit almost solely lost the playoff game the other day. Too many times we needed a yard or two, and couldnt get it because of breakdowns on the OL.

I also dont see how 25pts per game and 400 total is a "magic number". It looks nice, but it doesnt guarantee success. 2007 we scored 455 pts, the 2nd highest total in franchise history in a 16 game season, and it didnt guarantee postseason success. The last year Parcells was coach, we scored 425, and all that got us was a 9-7 record and a one and done postseason.

Those magic numbers do guarantee success but not a SB. And it doesn't guarantee you are even going to be in every game. It's a general guideline at having success in the NFL.

But the fact does remain we did not score enough off our offense. We traveled up and down the field yet too many times did not score. We settled for too many FGs, too. When we made them.

The better teams will score 80 points off of 1000 yards of offense. To score less reveals problems in your team. And I do agree it was multiple problems that led to our anemic offense. And I mean anemic in points scored which is after all the reason to be for an offense. Yards by themselves don't win games. Points do.