Uninspired

[theogt]

3 have won Super Bowls.

Heh, true. I guess the "but it was Jimmy's team" concept is just THAT ingrained in the mind.

 

[WV Cowboy]

That's all well and good...but it's not what I'm talking about...

I am saying, I have a concern after Wade's extensive body of work (that is, 33 years in the NFL) that his plateau might be exactly where he is now.

He is older now than ever, and he raised his plateau this year, so we'll have to wait and see if he can do it again.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Heh, true. I guess the "but it was Jimmy's team" concept is just THAT ingrained in the mind.

Oh, ok, .. I never bought into the "Jimmy's team" concept.

 

[Juke99]

But, I'm right that you're only happy with two former Dallas Cowboys head coaches, correct? Maybe it's just a coincidence that those were the only two that won a Super Bowl.

Parcells won a super bowl?

I loved Parcells. He was past his prime.

Yeah and shoot me for loving Tom Landry.

So I guess I loved Barry Switzer too. He won a super bowl.

and ya think I started loving Tom Landry only when he won the Super Bowl? He was pure brilliance....long before that super bowl win.

Please.

Square peg meet round hole. You keep having a nice discussion with yourself because you have it all figured out what I'm trying to day, even though, I keep posting the same thing over and over.

'Night.

 

[Juke99]

He is older now than ever, and he raised his plateau this year, so we'll have to wait and see if he can do it again.

Wow, thank you. An answer to a discussion I was actually having.

Much appreciated.

 

[theogt]

Parcells won a super bowl?

I loved Parcells. He was past his prime.

Yeah and shoot me for loving Tom Landry.

So I guess I loved Barry Switzer too. He won a super bowl.

and ya think I started loving Tom Landry only when he won the Super Bowl? He was pure brilliance....long before that super bowl win.

Please.

Square peg meet round hole. You keep having a nice discussion with yourself because you have it all figured out what I'm trying to day, even though, I keep posting the same thing over and over.

'Night.

I think we all know you're very much on record with your disdain for Parcells.

 

[rcaldw]

Heh, true. I guess the "but it was Jimmy's team" concept is just THAT ingrained in the mind.

Are you saying that the roster building under Jones/Johnson wasn't a large part of the explanation for Barry Switzer's success?

Sometimes you aren't just arguing with us, you are arguing with the players themselves. Have you ever watched the America's Game special on the 1995 season? A guy as nice as Moose Johnston made the comment that one of the coaches said that he believed it was one of the great accomplishments he had ever seen in football because the team had to overcome the coach.

That is a PLAYERS perspective, and not a trouble making one either. One of the nicest guys (at least it seems that way) and one of the most thoughtful guys on those great 90's teams.

 

[Kangaroo]

Who's the last Cowboys head coach you were happy with?

I think the question becomes whether you'll be "happy" with any head coach until he wins a Super Bowl. And given that reality, there's no point exploring what would make you happy in terms of a head coach RIGHT NOW.

I was happy with Big Bill for changing the culture of this team that was dreadfully needed. I also think he burned out rather quickly in Dallas for many reasons. Was he perfect no because I think we got a Big Bill that like some here said was protecting his legacy; but at the same time I think he gave this organization a direction it so desperately needed and we are reaping the benefits of that structure.

I agree with the poster about Wade but like I said before it is Jerry team all I can do is voice my opinion; and hope for the best.

 

[theogt]

Are you saying that the roster building under Jones/Johnson wasn't a large part of the explanation for Barry Switzer's success?

Sometimes you aren't just arguing with us, you are arguing with the players themselves. Have you ever watched the America's Game special on the 1995 season? A guy as nice as Moose Johnston made the comment that one of the coaches said that he believed it was one of the great accomplishments he had ever seen in football because the team had to overcome the coach.

That is a PLAYERS perspective, and not a trouble making one either. One of the nicest guys (at least it seems that way) and one of the most thoughtful guys on those great 90's teams.

*sigh*

I was just saying that it made me forget he even was the coach for the third Super Bowl. For some reason I often forget that fact.

 

[theogt]

I was happy with Big Bill for changing the culture of this team that was dreadfully needed. I also think he burned out rather quickly in Dallas for many reasons. Was he perfect no because I think we got a Big Bill that like some here said was protecting his legacy; but at the same time I think he gave this organization a direction it so desperately needed and we are reaping the benefits of that structure.

I agree with the poster about Wade but like I said before it is Jerry team all I can do is voice my opinion; and hope for the best.

Almost everyone was happy with Bill at first. That's neither here nor there.

 

[sonnyboy]

You realize that every team in football that has the HC call plays (whether its offense or defense) is this scenario, right?

You would think many posting here don't.

Or that being the DC takes no less away from gameday management as a HC calling offensive plays.

Yet so many here need to make an issue of it. Without acknowledging the simple fact that our defense has been much better since the week Wade took over the role.

Just another outstanding decision by our GM who never gets credit.

 

[WV Cowboy]

*sigh*

I was just saying that it made me forget he even was the coach for the third Super Bowl. For some reason I often forget that fact.

I think he got mine and your post confused.

 

[rcaldw]

*sigh*

I was just saying that it made me forget he even was the coach for the third Super Bowl. For some reason I often forget that fact.

Ah, sorry, misunderstood you.

 

[sonnyboy]

Are you saying that the roster building under Jones/Johnson wasn't a large part of the explanation for Barry Switzer's success?

Sometimes you aren't just arguing with us, you are arguing with the players themselves. Have you ever watched the America's Game special on the 1995 season? A guy as nice as Moose Johnston made the comment that one of the coaches said that he believed it was one of the great accomplishments he had ever seen in football because the team had to overcome the coach.

That is a PLAYERS perspective, and not a trouble making one either. One of the nicest guys (at least it seems that way) and one of the most thoughtful guys on those great 90's teams.

Very true. I've seen this America's game.

Are you saying that our team hasn't continued to improve/add talent under Phillips/Jones?

You can feel, think or believe anything you want.

But the facts are that Wade has:
Won the NFC East twice
Advanced to the final 8 twice
Has improved the defense significantly

While you're listening to players, you might want to hear what they have to say about our current HC.
The defensive guys think he's a genius.
The team as a whole respect him and his abilities.

 

[craig71]

Very true. I've seen this America's game.

Are you saying that our team hasn't continued to improve/add talent under Phillips/Jones?

You can feel, think or believe anything you want.

But the facts are that Wade has:
Won the NFC East twice
Advanced to the final 8 twice
Has improved the defense significantly

While you're listening to players, you might want to hear what they have to say about our current HC.
The defensive guys think he's a genius.
The team as a whole respect him and his abilities.

I would take the players comments about Wade with a grain of salt.I think the players like Wade and their comments reflect that.However if the players knew that he was just as good as out the door I would almost guarantee that the players comments would change.You see it all too many times when a coach is dismissed.


Craig

 

[theogt]

I would take the players comments about Wade with a grain of salt.I think the players like Wade and their comments reflect that.However if the players knew that he was just as good as out the door I would almost guarantee that the players comments would change.You see it all too many times when a coach is dismissed.


Craig

Strange that the San Diego players spoke so highly of him. I remember Shawn Merriman telling Ware at that pro bowl that he'd love playing for Wade.

I think we all know how strongly Keith Brooking feels about him as well.

 

[jobberone]

Juke may be right in Wade has reached his zenith. I on the other hand think that sometime in the next three years and I suspect next year will give him his greatest chance at a SB.

All three years has revealed a flaw(s).

My worry is this years flaws of not scoring on a par with the yardage gained and the possible exposure of the OL may prove to be too challenging for the Cowboys. And I say Cowboys and not just Wade. I think the defense is close to being dominating. We are a ball hawking FS away from that IMO. No matter what I think next year shows some improvement on defense. My main worry is the offense. And I don't see that as much Wade's problem as I do Jason Garrett. And Wade has had no say so on that aspect of the Cowboys from day one. We failed to score 80 points per 1000 yards of offense or the magic number of 25+ points per game. We met the goal of 17 points a game given up.

It's not a simple question of having a HC to put us over the hump. We need continued excellence by the defense, continued good play by STs (minus field goal kicking) and improvement of the offense if we want to win a championship.

And no one here has even talked about the talent needed or lacking on this club which is more important than the coaching IMO.

 

[rcaldw]

Very true. I've seen this America's game.

Are you saying that our team hasn't continued to improve/add talent under Phillips/Jones?

You can feel, think or believe anything you want.

But the facts are that Wade has:
Won the NFC East twice
Advanced to the final 8 twice
Has improved the defense significantly

While you're listening to players, you might want to hear what they have to say about our current HC.
The defensive guys think he's a genius.
The team as a whole respect him and his abilities.

I don't dispute your facts concerning Jones/Jones/more Jones and Phillips/Garrett

I actually do think they have done a good job since Parcells left in the talent area. I give Jerry credit there. He is listening to the right people somewhere.

In terms of the player's perspectives, I would remind you that in the one case you had the perspectives being voiced by players who had already won 2 Super Bowls. They knew what it took to get there and win it. They knew that the weak handed approach was a VERY DIFFICULT way to get there. In fact, it took the strong handed approach of some of those veteran players to get it done. Thus "overcoming" the coach.

This version of our Cowboys hasn't gotten there. All they know is that they like the man. Who wouldn't? He is a very nice man. I also believe he knows football. I also believe he especially knows defense. But does he represent the very best coach we could have for this open window for success? Is our goal NFC East Championships or a Super Bowl Championship? We are 1-3 in the playoffs under Wade. Our season has now ended two years in a row with a blowout.

And though I give Wade credit for regrouping this team this year, lets face it, we were one loss away, in New Orleans, of this thing blowing up 2 years in a row.

I'm not saying I'm right, I'm simply explaining why I'm not enthused with the reports of a 3 year extension.

 

[Kangaroo]

Almost everyone was happy with Bill at first. That's neither here nor there.

I was still happy with Bill when he left in the end of the day he set the stage that does not mean he did not frustrate the fans and the last year he looked like toast.

 

[craig71]

Strange that the San Diego players spoke so highly of him. I remember Shawn Merriman telling Ware at that pro bowl that he'd love playing for Wade.

I think we all know how strongly Keith Brooking feels about him as well.

I'll clarify my remark.I think that the players usually talk highly of a HC while he is still the coach of record.As soon as the HC is dismissed you will start to hear players recant their previous remarks before all is said and done.It seems to happen everytime that their is a coaching change.No matter how popular a coach is,there is always someone that doesn't see eye to eye with him on the team.

Craig