Unreliable Rumor: Huge offer for Suh coming from Cowboys

[ABQCOWBOY]

My personal view is, we aren't winning if Romo in particular is gone, unless we luck into gold again. We have also shown we haven't been able to develop QBs at all. So we are going to lose when Romo is gone for awhile anyways. Maybe we can front load. But like I said, I think we need to shoot for a SB right now.

I don't agree with this. Romo should not be the driving factor here. Romo has maybe two season left and then he might be gone. Basing decision on Romo is not wise IMO. I am not in favor of win at all costs now. We have too good a team for that. Spending on a guy like Suh could be smart in the long term but lets say it was Murray and a 9 Million contract, that would not be wise IMO, even though you could use the same kind of justification there. Suh makes sense because of the scheme, the player production and his age but Romo has nothing to do with it IMO. We could easily be a very good team without Romo. When Tony retires, we could get a very good QB for less then what Tony is making to play football. We should be making decisions based on what is good for the franchise long term. Jerry and the organization will have to make money long after Tony retires. The way to do that is to continue to win. It's not to go broke for a year or two that may or may not net a championship and be terrible for 15 years, like we did after employing the same kind of strategy for Troy.

 

[Direwolf63]

I still have nightmares of being in a bad cap situation and not having the means to afford a quarterback. Like when Aikman was done and our cap was a mess and we were reaching for guys like Tony Banks.

At least after the glory days of the '90's we had a case full of trophies we could look to for comfort.

Understandable.

But if you can draft a QB, he's cheap for the first 5 years. If he's good. it's the second contract that becomes expensive.

Look at Russell Wilson. Seattle has benefitted from the fact that he's still on his rookie contract. Soon enough, Wilson will start counted $20M+ a year capwise and the Seahawks will have much more difficulty keeping all their guys, especially on defense.

The trick is to draft the right guy at QB and getting production from him before he becomes a cap liability.

 

[Direwolf63]

I don't agree with this. Romo should not be the driving factor here. Romo has maybe two season left and then he might be gone. Basing decision on Romo is not wise IMO. I am not in favor of win at all costs now. We have too good a team for that. Spending on a guy like Suh could be smart in the long term but lets say it was Murray and a 9 Million contract, that would not be wise IMO, even though you could use the same kind of justification there. Suh makes sense because of the scheme, the player production and his age but Romo has nothing to do with it IMO. We could easily be a very good team without Romo. When Tony retires, we could get a very good QB for less then what Tony is making to play football. We should be making decisions based on what is good for the franchise long term. Jerry and the organization will have to make money long after Tony retires. The way to do that is to continue to win. It's not to go broke for a year or two that may or may not net a championship and be terrible for 15 years, like we did after employing the same kind of strategy for Troy.

Very well said. It is possible to sign Suh and keep the franchise viable long term. It's not a "going for broke" situation if handled properly.

 

[Stash]

This is not a fact. If you look at Suh's contact, it's not a sustained 13 Million every season. I think that number is way too high. I think a more realistic number is probably 10 to 12 Million.

No, it's not a fact, but it's based on the numbers I've
seen reported:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/

A 5 year / $64,502,000 contract with the Detroit Lions, including $23,250,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,900,400.

He's not signing anywhere for anything less than that during his one big foray into free agency.

 

[Stash]

Understandable.

But if you can draft a QB, he's cheap for the first 5 years. If he's good. it's the second contract that becomes expensive.

Look at Russell Wilson. Seattle has benefitted from the fact that he's still on his rookie contract. Soon enough, Wilson will start counted $20M+ a year capwise and the Seahawks will have much more difficulty keeping all their guys, especially on defense.

The trick is to draft the right guy at QB and getting production from him before he becomes a cap liability.

Absolutely!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No, it's not a fact, but it's based on the numbers I've
seen reported:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/

A 5 year / $64,502,000 contract with the Detroit Lions, including $23,250,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,900,400.

He's not signing anywhere for anything less than that during his one big foray into free agency.

It depends on what the market will support. The contract for Suh was built with the easy out option that Detroit will likely be taking advantage of this year. The 12.9 number is inclusive of the salary he would make this year. Obviously, if Detroit does not pay him this year, that lowers the numbers significantly. If you look at his deal (restructured in 2011 I believe), if Detroit cuts ties this season, his deal is actually three years with an average Salary of 6.16 over 3 years.

 

[Stash]

It depends on what the market will support. The contract for Suh was built with the easy out option that Detroit will likely be taking advantage of this year. The 12.9 number is inclusive of the salary he would make this year. Obviously, if Detroit does not pay him this year, that lowers the numbers significantly. If you look at his deal (restructured in 2011 I believe), if Detroit cuts ties this season, his deal is actually three years with an average Salary of 6.16 over 3 years.

Can you share your numbers?

Everything I've seen shows that his contract has been completely fulfilled with nothing remaining.

Edit: Nevermind, the Sportrac info I'm looking at it shows some info for 2015.

 

[Nightman]

Can you share your numbers?

Everything I've seen shows that his contract has been completely fulfilled with nothing remaining.

Edit: Nevermind, the Sportrac info I'm looking at it shows some info for 2015.

Suh's contract for 2015 automatically voids 5 days after the Super Bowl, making him an UFA

His was also one of the last big time rookie deals under the old CBA. Things have changed and you can't base any new deals off of those old contracts. DET got hit particularly hard 3 years in a row with Stafford, CJohnson and Suh.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Can you share your numbers?

Everything I've seen shows that his contract has been completely fulfilled with nothing remaining.

Yeah, but it's really included in your link. Suh was restructured in 2011. If you take the salaries for 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014 and divide by 4, it will give you the average of what Suh's contract yields. Of course, this assumes that Detroit doesn't pick up his option and also, I neglected to add in 2014 in my previous post so the revised is actually as follows:

2011 - 11,904,706
2012 - 6,562,500
2013 - 10,492,500
2014 - 22,412,500

So yeah, you are correct, in that it is much higher then the 6.16 number. That's actually 2011, 2012 and 2013 totals but the salary for 2011 was already set. His extension, I believe, was kicked in at 2012 forward. The total salary paid out for 11,12,13 and 14 was 51, 372,206. That works out to 12,843,051.5 per season. A bit higher then the 6.16 I posted earlier but less then the 15 per year.

I said earlier that I think it would be 10 to 12 so I think that's in the ball park.

Sorry for my obvious error earlier thou.

 

[Stash]

Suh's contract for 2015 automatically voids 5 days after the Super Bowl, making him an UFA

His was also one of the last big time rookie deals under the old CBA. Things have changed and you can't base any new deals off of those old contracts. DET got hit particularly hard 3 years in a row with Stafford, CJohnson and Suh.

No doubt Detroit really paid heavily for those 'old' rookie contracts.

But, let's take a look at the JJ Watt contract:

J.J. Watt signed a 6 year / $100,005,425 contract with the Houston Texans, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $51,876,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $16,667,571

Does anyone here actually think that Suh is going to sign a deal for $10 - $12 million per year right after Watt signed a deal like that?

Really?

There's the market.

So, I ask again, who wants the Cowboys to sign on for something like that?

 

[tico]

Continuing to eat my cereal & will read the back of the box for more interesting news..lol

 

[Avery]

Willing to sig bet anyone that Suh won't be coming in.

Once we wrap up Dez, we'll focus on upgrading a few positions vs. a big splash.

 

[Nightman]

No doubt Detroit really paid heavily for those 'old' rookie contracts.

But, let's take a look at the JJ Watt contract:

J.J. Watt signed a 6 year / $100,005,425 contract with the Houston Texans, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $51,876,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $16,667,571

Does anyone here actually think that Suh is going to sign a deal for $10 - $12 million per year right after Watt signed a deal like that?

Really?

There's the market.

So, I ask again, who wants the Cowboys to sign on for something like that?

I wasn't saying the market wouldn't go up, just that you shouldn't make any league wide assumptions off of those old deals. DET was forced to pay through the nose for all of them and it even skewed CJohnson's and Stafford's extensions.

Suh won't get quite as much as Watt IMO, because of his reputation.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No doubt Detroit really paid heavily for those 'old' rookie contracts.

But, let's take a look at the JJ Watt contract:

J.J. Watt signed a 6 year / $100,005,425 contract with the Houston Texans, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $51,876,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $16,667,571

Does anyone here actually think that Suh is going to sign a deal for $10 - $12 million per year right after Watt signed a deal like that?

Really?

There's the market.

So, I ask again, who wants the Cowboys to sign on for something like that?

I don't think it's what Suh will sign. I think it's what teams will offer. Suh is not Watt. Both are very good players but Watt is the golden boy of the NFL. Suh, not so much. Suh will get paid but I don't believe he will get paid what Watt did.

 

[Stash]

I wasn't saying the market wouldn't go up, just that you shouldn't make any league wide assumptions off of those old deals. DET was forced to pay through the nose for all of them and it even skewed CJohnson's and Stafford's extensions.

Suh won't get quite as much as Watt IMO, because of his reputation.

Even if it's not 'quite as much', that seems to fall into the $15 million average I referred to earlier.

 

[Stash]

I don't think it's what Suh will sign. I think it's what teams will offer. Suh is not Watt. Both are very good players but Watt is the golden boy of the NFL. Suh, not so much. Suh will get paid but I don't believe he will get paid what Watt did.

But that's what he'll be looking for to be sure.

And what he ends up getting will be a lot closer to the $15 million I mentioned than to your earlier mention of $10-$12 million, don't you?

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Also, Watt's deal is really only a 5 year deal. If you look at what Watt is making over those 5 years, his average salary is really only 12.9 Million a year. If you look at it further, if Houston wanted to cut him in 2017, they save themselves a boat load of money and are only on the hook for 4 Million against their cap. Heck, if Suh would sign a deal like that, I would have to say it's a pretty good deal IMO and I expect it will be slightly less then the deal Watt signed.

I don't think Suh is going to get 15 Million a year over a long term contract. I don't see it.

JMO

 

[AsthmaField]

Willing to sig bet anyone that Suh won't be coming in.

Once we wrap up Dez, we'll focus on upgrading a few positions vs. a big splash.

I think you are likely correct here. I won't rule it out completely because he is a special player and still young (which I think Garrett will insist upon), but I seriously doubt it happens.

 

[Nightman]

But that's what he'll be looking for to be sure.

And what he ends up getting will be a lot closer to the $15 million I mentioned than to your earlier mention of $10-$12 million, don't you?

And yes, I would still sign Suh to a 7yr/105m deal.

 

[Direwolf63]

Also, Watt's deal is really only a 5 year deal. If you look at what Watt is making over those 5 years, his average salary is really only 12.9 Million a year. If you look at it further, if Houston wanted to cut him in 2017, they save themselves a boat load of money and are only on the hook for 4 Million against their cap. Heck, if Suh would sign a deal like that, I would have to say it's a pretty good deal IMO and I expect it will be slightly less then the deal Watt signed. JMO

Also a deal like that will be easier to swallow as the salary cap continues to rise. A $13M cap hit on a $140M salary cap is big, but more reasonable when the cap starts getting into the $160M or $170 range, which it will very soon as TV reveunes continue to increase.