Up until now I have steered clear of the Roy Williams debate...

[Cochese]

He is still top 10 SS in the entire league, dont be ********, everyone expected the moon and got less than that and wants to throw him under the bus.

Guess how many players on the team actually have lived up to the draft position expectations, be it for the positive or the negative. Roy will and should retire as a cowboy. This crap is getting old. We lost, its all roy's fault.

Why should he retire as a Cowboy? What has he done recently? 1 tackle in the biggest game of the year. I dont really believe that he has defenders today.

 

[Bleu Star]

This crap is getting old. We lost, its all roy's fault.

Nah. It's not all Roy's fault man. However, his new act is getting very old.

 

[Cowboyz88]

not sure its really a debate any more

Sadly, for some, it's still a debate.

If form holds, tomorrow someone will come in here with TIVO "breakdown" of Roy's play and start espousing his stats and gibberish about how Roy actually played very well. (I guess it's too hard to actually watch a game with a nose buried in a stat book or a football almanac.)

Then, you'll have said poster's fan club coming in here praising the poster, his infallible stats, and of course, Roy's play, while telling the rest of us that we're idiots and don't understand football.

You can bank on it.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I'm all for Roy retiring as a Cowboy, as long as it happens this off season.

 

[Kangaroo]

not sure its really a debate any more...more of how do we get rid of him now

Can not for at least a year or 2 does not mean we have to start him

 

[khiladi]

The point is he has become a NON-FACTOR in games, when he was suppose to be the super-star. Even Jerry said that part of the reason they brought in Wade was to cater to Roy's specific talents. Sadly, he no longer has any talent to cater to. He has been non-existent this whole year, and he has had no big plays.

He just fills a roster spot like any other average SS in the league.

The guy has become a cry-baby, making excuses for his play, and even when he admits it's his fault, it is a holier-than-thou admittance as if it happens only rarely.. And if it is because of Kelly Rowland, than he is a whuss, and all the more reason to cut him. Because if a girl can get in his head this much, it's not wonder he's now curling up, not trying to make the big-hit any more... it's no wonder he's worried about 'extending his career' to prevent injury...

 

[UVAwahoos]

All we can hope is that a dumb GM sees that he's "all-pro" and has made the pro bowl and decides to give us a good package of players for him. Perhaps a Matt Millen type would straight him straight up for the other Roy.

 

[SDogo]

It's not even that he is just a liability in the passing game, he is now a liability no matter the down or situation.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Just sit his *** on the bench if we can't cut him. I mean the killer is better than him.

I'm not defending Roy. But Killer Davis is NOT better. Go check the tape.

 

[stealth]

Why should he retire as a Cowboy? What has he done recently? 1 tackle in the biggest game of the year. I dont really believe that he has defenders today.

why, cause you can point to a play or a game where he didn't do enough to prove your bias wrong?
What about the good coverages he had today?
What about his supposed bad angle on a tackle today where his own man tripped him up and two other guys missed?

he isn't ronnie lott, so what, he is a damned good football player.

 

[Cochese]

why, cause you can point to a play or a game where he didn't do enough to prove your bias wrong?
What about the good coverages he had today?
What about his supposed bad angle on a tackle today where his own man tripped him up and two other guys missed?

he isn't ronnie lott, so what, he is a damned good football player.

A damned good football player that makes 1 tackle?

 

[trickblue]

He is still top 10 SS in the entire league, dont be ********, everyone expected the moon and got less than that and wants to throw him under the bus.

Guess how many players on the team actually have lived up to the draft position expectations, be it for the positive or the negative. Roy will and should retire as a cowboy. This crap is getting old. We lost, its all roy's fault.

I haven't taken a position on this for a while, but he is a DEFINITE liability...

I would package him on draft day for what I can get. If he remains on this team he will be a "hurt feelings" liability...

He flat out has to go. He has been bad for three years now...

How many times do we have to hear how teams plan to isolate him to realize it?

They telegraph it, then do it...

Take a box of kleenex and some burn relief medicine for him...

 

[ScipioCowboy]

He is still top 10 SS in the entire league, dont be ********, everyone expected the moon

I wasn't expecting the moon.

I was only expecting a player who wasn't such a liability in coverage that no scheme was capable of hiding his deficiencies. After all, Roy is a safety, right?

I was only expecting a player who was capable of preventing a first down conversion when he contacts his opponent a yard shy of the first down marker. After all, Roy's alleged strength is his tackling ability, right?

Am I really expecting the moon here? Is it so unreasonable to expect a saftey to provide adequate coverage (even if coverage isn't his forte) and sure tackling (when he's supposed to excel at tackling)?

 

[UVAwahoos]

why, cause you can point to a play or a game where he didn't do enough to prove your bias wrong?
What about the good coverages he had today?
What about his supposed bad angle on a tackle today where his own man tripped him up and two other guys missed?

he isn't ronnie lott, so what, he is a damned good football player.

This guy has a lot of the same qualities that we need to look for in a GM in order to dump Roy off for some good players in return. It can happen

 

[mannt88]

If I recall right Roy haven't been the same since we let go Aron Glenn.

He really sucks.

 

[CowboyChris]

He doesn't want to get hurt. That's exactly the way he plays! When a player loses his heart for the game and is just collecting a paycheck this is the kind of performance you get.

i couldnt agree anymore, the man cant cover, and cant tackle unless he is dragging someone from behind. we need to keep Hamlin though.

 

[LarryCanadian]

There were a couple of plays where Roy didn't show up much on camera, but he didn't do well on also:

1. The Toomer long TD, he took a questionable angle getting to Toomer and then slipped and whiffed on him, not coming close.

2. Canty made a nice play batting down a ball, but Roy was way behind his guy, trying to cover him running across the middle. Would have been a good gain.

When I saw Roy blitz he didn't get much penetration although he had a big guy on him each time.

Somehow on all the pass plays in the middle, the ball seems to go over Roy's head into a receiver hands who is covered by Reeves. Time after time. Seems he should be farther forward, or deeper back, or that QBs just know how to drop it in there on us.

I don't get it. I don't think the coaches have the answer either?

LarryCanadian

 

[IndianaCowboyFan]

He doesn't want to get hurt. That's exactly the way he plays! When a player loses his heart for the game and is just collecting a paycheck this is the kind of performance you get.

I have to admit I have been thinking the same thing. Years ago he was the center of highlight films. I cannot think of 1 single play this year that made me say wow.

 

[stealth]

I haven't taken a position on this for a while, but he is a DEFINITE liability...

I would package him on draft day for what I can get. If he remains on this team he will be a "hurt feelings" liability...

He flat out has to go. He has been bad for three years now...

How many times do we have to hear how teams plan to isolate him to realize it?

They telegraph it, then do it...

Take a box of kleenex and some burn relief medicine for him...

a quandry, say we do get rid of him and put a guy pack there that can play the pass like an animal. Then, teams run the ball down our throats, what then? Roy is a good to great overall player, the coaches believe he can play one on one with extremely huge and very athletic TEs in the league and people want a miracle. I just don't see the argument against him, there is next to no chance we could sign someone better as a whole.

 

[stealth]

There were a couple of plays where Roy didn't show up much on camera, but he didn't do well on also:

1. The Toomer long TD, he took a questionable angle getting to Toomer and then slipped and whiffed on him, not coming close.

2. Canty made a nice play batting down a ball, but Roy was way behind his guy, trying to cover him running across the middle. Would have been a good gain.

When I saw Roy blitz he didn't get much penetration although he had a big guy on him each time.

Somehow on all the pass plays in the middle, the ball seems to go over Roy's head into a receiver hands who is covered by Reeves. Time after time. Seems he should be farther forward, or deeper back, or that QBs just know how to drop it in there on us.

I don't get it. I don't think the coaches have the answer either?

LarryCanadian

he tripped over another player, that isn't slipping.