Update: Dolphins agree to deal with Jeff Ireland...To leave immediately

[CowboyJeff]

The problem is, Parcells is taking away the guy that JJ hired and made known to Parcells, i.e. JJ's guy...

JJ's guy is Lacewell. Parcells convinced Jerry to give Ireland his position and Parcells is the main reason Lacewell "retired" from his first stinct with the Cowboys. Besides, if Parcells is so bad, the Cowboys will have no problem filling any and all staff positions and players that are raided. Parcells sucks, remember?

 

[MetalHead]

He'll be the GM there in name only.
Duane will still make all decisions and have as his scout.
I wonder why Ireland would want to move from a clearly better situation to work under Blubberman.
He may get a bump in pay and title,but his functions will remain the same as in Big D.

 

[SDogo]

and how, exactly, is Jerry to blame?

ego...he could of kept Ireland with out giving up any power and just handling Ireland a label like Parcells did but someone who might not know any better would think different.

 

[theogt]

JJ's guy is Lacewell. Parcells convinced Jerry to give Ireland his position and Parcells is the main reason Lacewell "retired" from his first stinct with the Cowboys. Besides, if Parcells is so bad, the Cowboys will have no problem filling any and all staff positions and players that are raided. Parcells sucks, remember?

This isn't true. It was Lacewell who urged Jerry to give Ireland the promotion. And that was when they both hired him -- back before Parcells was even in the picture.

 

[khiladi]

JJ's guy is Lacewell. Parcells convinced Jerry to give Ireland his position and Parcells is the main reason Lacewell "retired" from his first stinct with the Cowboys. Besides, if Parcells is so bad, the Cowboys will have no problem filling any and all staff positions and players that are raided. Parcells sucks, remember?

What are you talking about?

Ireland was hired before Parcells even got here, and was seen as the eventual replacement for LL. Lacewell is old and is on the verge of retirement. They were already grooming Ireland in. It had nothing to do with Parcells.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

He'll be the GM there in name only.
Duane will still make all decisions and have as his scout.
I wonder why Ireland would want to move from a clearly better situation to work under Blubberman.
He may get a bump in pay and title,but his functions will remain the same as in Big D.

Hmm....

I got a question about the GM title.

Are we losing Ireland because Jerry wouldnt make him GM? Duh, right?
Are we going to go back to the Jerry picks... bad ones?

 

[Wimbo]

I think Miami will have to convince the NFL that Ireland will be a real GM, not just in name only, in order for the hiring to be approved. Parcells will have to surrender personnel control.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Either some of you think Ireland is a complete moron or you don't know what the heck you're talking about. You guys are making this sooo complicated, and it's really not. Ireland is getting a promotion where he'll have more power and more say. He would be an idiot not to take the job.

Yeah, Parcells had nothing to do with Ireland ... except for the fact that Ireland was promoted after Parcells ran off Lacewell to get "his guy" in there. Other than that, Parcells played absolutely no part. Why, he barely knew who Jeff Ireland even was .. other than the fact that he ran off Ireland's boss to give the spot. If you think Lacewell left on his own accord, you're either crazy or uninformed.

 

[TNCowboy]

I think Miami will have to convince the NFL that Ireland will be a real GM, not just in name only, in order for the hiring to be approved. Parcells will have to surrender personnel control.

Why? Jones is apparently giving it his complete blessing.

 

[Wimbo]

Why? Jones is apparently giving it his complete blessing.

According to Spagnola, there is an NFL rule about it... "Ireland would have primary control over personnel matters if hired by Miami. NFL rules ensure a candidate can't assume a general manager position in title only, and commissioner Roger Goodell can confirm whether a candidate indeed would assume total personnel authority. "

 

[Concord]

Uh...THEY ACTUALLY WON SOMETHING BEFORE THEY WERE RAIDED....WE HAVE NOT WON ANYTHING...uneless you are one of the guys who is wetting their pants over going 13 - 3

Yeah I was going to post that.

They won 3 Super Bowls by the time these guys left.

 

[theogt]

Either some of you think Ireland is a complete moron or you don't know what the heck you're talking about.

Yeah, Parcells had nothing to do with Ireland ... except for the fact that Ireland was promoted after Parcells ran off Lacewell to get "his guy" in there. Other than that, Parcells played absolutely no part. Why, he barely knew who Jeff Ireland even was.

Ireland never reported to Parcells. He reported directly to Jerry. It wasn't Parcells' decision whether or not to give Ireland the promotion. Though I'm sure he endorsed it, there's nothing indicating it was "his guy" other than the irrational belief by those that think any smart decision made in the past 4 years had to be a Parcells' decision, regardless of reports to the contrary.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Ireland never reported to Parcells. He reported directly to Jerry. It wasn't Parcells' decision whether or not to give Ireland the promotion. Though I'm sure he endorsed it, there's nothing indicating it was "his guy" other than the irrational belief by those that think any smart decision made in the past 4 years had to be a Parcells' decision, regardless of reports to the contrary.

Sorry, I tend to not take the word of people who just randomly spout imaginary worlds invented in their own head as "fact" when it's clear they don't know what the heck they're talking about. Such as people who claimed just a week ago that Ireland would never work under Bill, they barely tolerated each other, and they didn't have much of a relationship. Obviously, this has proven to be complete and utter nonsense and make believe.

This is what I know from someone who has a job with the Cowboys. It's common knowledge that Bill and Larry Lacewell got into a screaming match in the Hall of Valley Ranch. Lacewell packed his boxes and never returned. Ireland was promoted soon thereafter. Ireland was promoted to fill Lacewell's spot. Parcells and Ireland worked closely so that Parcells could give Ireland "his eyes", as he frequently put it. I'm pretty sure Ireland didn't get his player scouting advice from Jerry. But, no, Parcells had absolutely nothing to do with it. Of course, Lacewell would have been fired anyway ... other than the fact that he returned back to the Ranch before Parcells' seat was even cold. And the fact that Lacewell still seems to be astonished and bitter that he could lose his job after a decade worth of bad drafts.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Yeah I was going to post that.

They won 3 Super Bowls by the time these guys left.

And I thought Parcells scolded Sean Peyton about taking players from the Cowboys when he accepted the Saints job...and also would not pursue Adam Vinaterri because he belonged to Bellicheck...which meant we were stuck with the "idiot kicker"

This guy is who he has always been...he is the guy who sat in the parking lot in the Meadowlands and tried to secure a job with the Giants RIGHT BEFORE COACHING THE COWBOYS in a game against the Giants..and yet there are still people around here who would drop their pants at the sight of Parcells

 

[khiladi]

Ireland never reported to Parcells. He reported directly to Jerry. It wasn't Parcells' decision whether or not to give Ireland the promotion. Though I'm sure he endorsed it, there's nothing indicating it was "his guy" other than the irrational belief by those that think any smart decision made in the past 4 years had to be a Parcells' decision, regardless of reports to the contrary.

That is what is termed 'agenda'. It doesn't fit well with the notion that Parcells alone evaluated the talent that turned the team around.

The argument originally was that Ireland was brought in by Parcells. But since that has proven to be wrong, the argument has conveniently shifted to Parcells making Ireland what he is.

People know that if Ireland was a major player in the evaluation of talent, than this simply predicates the idea that Parcells alone was the savior is false.

 

[khiladi]

This is what I know from someone who has a job with the Cowboys. It's common knowledge that Bill and Larry Lacewell got into a screaming match in the Hall of Valley Ranch. Lacewell packed his boxes and never returned. Ireland was promoted soon thereafter. Ireland was promoted to fill Lacewell's spot. Parcells and Ireland worked closely so that Parcells could give Ireland "his eyes" so to speak.

Common knowledge? Sounds more like a soap opera...

Who brought in Ireland?

 

[SDogo]

And I thought Parcells scolded Sean Peyton about taking players from the Cowboys when he accepted the Saints job...and also would not pursue Adam Vinaterri because he belonged to Bellicheck...which meant we were stuck with the "idiot kicker"

This guy is who he has always been...he is the guy who sat in the parking lot in the Meadowlands and tried to secure a job with the Giants RIGHT BEFORE COACHING THE COWBOYS in a game against the Giants..and yet there are still people around here who would drop their pants at the sight of Parcells

Thank You

I thought I was the only one around here who did not have a hard on for the guy.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Not sure why there's a debate as to who brought Ireland to the Cowboys and how he's a JJ guy vs a Parcells guy. This guy is a professional talent evaluator who's getting a good opportunity. Good luck to him.

As for who replaces him, whether or not Lacewell comes back on full-time, I'm a lot more confident about the organization, because of the model in place.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Common knowledge? Sounds more like a soap opera...

Who brought in Ireland?

Brought him in as a road scout? Jerry. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be where he is today without Parcells. Which is why he's going to rejoin him in Miami, despite the horrified gasps and shock by the "insiders" on this messageboard who seemingly know all the ins and outs of Valley Ranch. If it weren't for Parcells, that country doofus Lacewell would still be his boss.

If Ireland is such a "Jerry Guy", why is he jumping ship to Parcells again? Oh yeah, because either he's an idiot or Parcells is "deceiving him" .. which also implies that he's an idiot and you know his situation better than he does.

 

[khiladi]

Brought him in as a road scout? Jerry. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be where he is today without Parcells. Which is why he's going to rejoin him in Miami, despite the horrified gasps and shock by the "insiders" on this messageboard who seemingly know all the ins and outs of Valley Ranch. If it weren't for Parcells, that country doofus Lacewell would still be his boss.

If Ireland is such a "Jerry Guy", why is he jumping ship to Parcells again? Oh yeah, because you know his situation better than he does.

Interesting. I thought Jeff Ireland was being groomed to be Lacewell's replacement prior to Bill even coming here, considering LL is pretty damn old. Is that why LL brought him in here, to simply be a road scout? And he, within a matter of minutes, just vaulted to VP of Scouting, because LL got angry at BP, and stormed ouf of the office? It makes plenty of sense in the soap opera world....

He is going to Miami, because it is a promotion to be GM. It happens everyday in the work-force, and it is legally binding that the transition can't simply be a name-change. And Miami is a damn nice place to live in. Just because JI is going to Miami, doesn't mean he is jumping ship, or hates JJ and the Cowboys. It is called making a move up, and it happens all the time in the work-force.