Update: Dolphins agree to deal with Jeff Ireland...To leave immediately

[Concord]

And I thought Parcells scolded Sean Peyton about taking players from the Cowboys when he accepted the Saints job...and also would not pursue Adam Vinaterri because he belonged to Bellicheck...which meant we were stuck with the "idiot kicker"

This guy is who he has always been...he is the guy who sat in the parking lot in the Meadowlands and tried to secure a job with the Giants RIGHT BEFORE COACHING THE COWBOYS in a game against the Giants..and yet there are still people around here who would drop their pants at the sight of Parcells

Preaching to the choir here...I have ZERO love for Parcells.

I'm more than glad he's gone.

 

[Longboysfan]

http://www.ourlads.com/dayone.cfm

Remember it's not always about the draft.....

 

[theogt]

Sorry, I tend to not take the word of people who just randomly spout imaginary worlds invented in their own head as "fact" when it's clear they don't know what the heck they're talking about.

Good. Maybe you should believe the articles that have been written about the subject, though.

Such as people who claimed just a week ago that Ireland would never work under Bill, they barely tolerated each other, and they didn't have much of a relationship. Obviously, this has proven to be complete and utter nonsense and make believe.

Who claimed that? Not me.

This is what I know from someone who has a job with the Cowboys. It's common knowledge that Bill and Larry Lacewell got into a screaming match in the Hall of Valley Ranch. Lacewell packed his boxes and never returned. Ireland was promoted soon thereafter. Ireland was promoted to fill Lacewell's spot. Parcells and Ireland worked closely so that Parcells could give Ireland "his eyes", as he frequently put it.

All of this may be true, but contradicts nothing that was said in the thread.

I'm pretty sure Ireland didn't get his player scouting advice from Jerry.

He didn't get it for Parcells either. According to Ireland, Parcells learned as much from him and he did from Parcells.

But, no, Parcells had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Who said that?

Of course, Lacewell would have been fired anyway ... other than the fact that he returned back to the Ranch before Parcells' seat was even cold. And the fact that Lacewell still seems to be astonished and bitter that he could lose his job after a decade worth of bad drafts.

This is all great, but what does it have to do with the discussion of the thread?

 

[Concord]

This is what I know from someone who has a job with the Cowboys. It's common knowledge that Bill and Larry Lacewell got into a screaming match in the Hall of Valley Ranch. Lacewell packed his boxes and never returned.

I have no love for Parcells...but if that's true...He deserves all the credit in the world for that.

To bad he couldn't keep him away permanently.

 

[theebs]

Ireland never reported to Parcells. He reported directly to Jerry. It wasn't Parcells' decision whether or not to give Ireland the promotion. Though I'm sure he endorsed it, there's nothing indicating it was "his guy" other than the irrational belief by those that think any smart decision made in the past 4 years had to be a Parcells' decision, regardless of reports to the contrary.

IF you want to be technical, he reported to stephen.

Stephen jones is the president of player personnel, one rung up from ireland and a little more over ciskowski.

But obviously jerry is the gm, so he has the final decision.

I know this I am worried about the draft now. Last year when jerry was on the phone with cleveland about trading our pick for next years 1, jerry stared at ireland waiting for a response to which ireland gave him a big smile and a big thumbs up. He then agreed.

I am sure there are many capable people here, but it is a bit of a bummer for us to lose a guy who has talent and has spent some time here. And most importantly where does that leave the war room for this extremely important draft? And does ireland get to bring all his scouting research with him?

Ciskowski runs the college scouting basically but I am not sure if he will be the fall back guy for this draft.

Its funny, the media does nothing but bash us, our players, our coaches and here we have 13 wins and we are losing our staff and front office. Someone is off there.

 

[stealth]

Thank You

I thought I was the only one around here who did not have a hard on for the guy.

being completely biased against him is as bad or worse than the bias you so eloquently mentioned

 

[theogt]

Not sure why there's a debate as to who brought Ireland to the Cowboys and how he's a JJ guy vs a Parcells guy. This guy is a professional talent evaluator who's getting a good opportunity. Good luck to him.

As for who replaces him, whether or not Lacewell comes back on full-time, I'm a lot more confident about the organization, because of the model in place.

Which, according to Jerry, is the same model and scouting system that's been in place since he bought the team.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Which, according to Jerry, is the same model and scouting system that's been in place since he bought the team.

The model might have been in place, but I believe there have been definite tweaks to it; partially because of the adjustment to the salary cap and free agency.

 

[Big Dakota]

Does this mean we get compensation for Ireland? If they try to hire him before the draft, I believe Dallas has to get compensation. I'de swap 1st rounders with Miami thank you very much

Dude, dream on........

 

[theebs]

Which, according to Jerry, is the same model and scouting system that's been in place since he bought the team.

yeah but theogt you follow the team too closely to not realize that the model or system or whatever was parcells model. Ireland and parcells hit it off and applied what they could to that model.

Jerry has final say, and that is the model he is talking about, but the actual model is Parcells. That is why he fired a number of long time scouts and shook everything up. Putting in a new system, from the front office to the 3-4 defense, it was parcells.

Just look at the high character, graduated from school draft picks we have here. That was parcells fingerprint, not jerry's. Sure jerry signed off on it, but you know as well as everyone else Parcells was the talent evaluator here. We havent drafted any drug addict criminals since parcells showed up. Just compare that simply to the 00-02 draft, where jerry and lacewell had no idea and just kept reaching for positions regardless of talent or character.

I just hope the risk taker in jerry doesnt start drafting hooligans again, because we need one more good corner to be over the top or whatever.
IF sporano and garret leave this year too, I am really not sure who the talent evaluators would be.

IN the 95 americas game show they have footage of aikman and garret warming up in training camp, the opening week of camp and jerry out there catering to all the draft picks and telling jerry how great they are. Garret and aikman are laughing at how ridiculous jerry is and how the guys had not even played a down yet. That is what worries me. If the players see that crap, then they wont believe in the team or the organization as we get further and further away from what parcells brought here.

 

[theogt]

yeah but theogt you follow the team too closely to not realize that the model or system or whatever was parcells model. Ireland and parcells hit it off and applied what they could to that model.

Jerry has final say, and that is the model he is talking about, but the actual model is Parcells. That is why he fired a number of long time scouts and shook everything up. Putting in a new system, from the front office to the 3-4 defense, it was parcells.

Just look at the high character, graduated from school draft picks we have here. That was parcells fingerprint, not jerry's. Sure jerry signed off on it, but you know as well as everyone else Parcells was the talent evaluator here. We havent drafted any drug addict criminals since parcells showed up. Just compare that simply to the 00-02 draft, where jerry and lacewell had no idea and just kept reaching for positions regardless of talent or character.

I just hope the risk taker in jerry doesnt start drafting hooligans again, because we need one more good corner to be over the top or whatever.
IF sporano and garret leave this year too, I am really not sure who the talent evaluators would be.

IN the 95 americas game show they have footage of aikman and garret warming up in training camp, the opening week of camp and jerry out there catering to all the draft picks and telling jerry how great they are. Garret and aikman are laughing at how ridiculous jerry is and how the guys had not even played a down yet. That is what worries me. If the players see that crap, then they wont believe in the team or the organization as we get further and further away from what parcells brought here.

No, I'm talking about the method of scouting. The grading systems. The structure of the scouting staff. The system. It's all the same system. Obviously Parcells and the scouting director had some influence on who the final picks were, but the system is still the same.

 

[theebs]

No, I'm talking about the method of scouting. The grading systems. The structure of the scouting staff. The system. It's all the same system. Obviously Parcells and the scouting director had some influence on who the final picks were, but the system is still the same.

Maybe the process is the same, but there is no way the model is the same. If it is then why did jerry let parcells fire a number of long time scouts? Howcome in one year we went from drafting the derek ross's and antonio bryants of the world to the bradie james and jason witten's?

I just hope it works it out, whoever ends up calling the shots. This is a critical draft I think, and it could set the tone for the next 5 years.

 

[superpunk]

Sway me slowly.

 

[khiladi]

OK, we passed on Randy Moss before Parcell's got here. We hired Calvin Hill before Parcell's got here. There was already a concerted effort to draft 'goody goodies' before Parcells got here, because of all the hype surrounding the DC players in the 90s...

 

[Chief]

It's common knowledge that Bill and Larry Lacewell got into a screaming match in the Hall of Valley Ranch.

"And I woulda dropped that big sum***** if Jerry hadn't jumped in between us."

 

[khiladi]

BTW, LL left in 2006. He was in this organization for 50 percent of BP's tenure. He was 68 years old, and had already sold his house in Dallas the year prior, and bought property in Arkansas. He was planning on retiring, so they were already grooming JI to be the replacement.

To think that he is going to have a significant role at 70 years old is just foolish.

 

[Duane]

Well best of luck to Jeff and God save the Cowboys scouting department.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I just hope Parcells chokes on a chicken bone and never realizes a winning season in Miami. Did not like the guy with Giants, Jets or Patriots, did not like him being hired in Dallas, did not like him in Dallas and like him less then ever now. He's a freaking Diva who can't survive with out the spot light on him but will chastise any player who does the same thing. His time has passed and soon Miami will see that just as he does every where he goes once the fun has worn off and the heat is turned up he will leave for some other place that will stroke his ego.

His time has passed? Do you know our record before he arrived and passed some time on the Boys? Maybe it's passed as a coach but Miami just turned their franchise around.

 

[superpunk]

Oh hilarious thread. It strikes me as funny how Parcells is so far in some poster's heads. If any opportunity arises to discredit any of the work he did here, they hop right on it and defend it with the zeal of a crusader.

Hell, you would think we could just look at pre-2002 history, and where we are now, and just assume some magical voodoo occurred that transformed us into the cream of the NFC. Me, I tend to say "what happened in those four years that changed the face of this team?" To me, the answers pretty clear, but I'm not a deep thinker, nor do I have any idea whether or not Jerry or Parcells was at Jeff Ireland's coming of age party.

Good for Jeff. It's a good opportunity to again work under one of the most brilliant football minds of our time. Welcome back to legitimacy Miami - it's as good as done.

 

[Everlastingxxx]

This bothers me because Parcells came to lay a foundation for the Cowboys...but now he is ripping it out? I dunno, i don’t understand it all and i guess if nobody else is bothered by it then i shouldn’t.