Update: Wade Phillips Option Picked Up, Negotiations on Future Years Ongoing

[TheSport78]

Do not forget the extra curricular activities he was doing after we went 6-10.

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LMAO they don't make commercials like they used to!

 

[wileedog]

I know everybody is wearing knee pads for Rex right now, however if Indy doesnt pull their starters and tank a perfect season, Rex is sitting home watching the playoffs.

Just saying.

Maybe. But they were winning the game when the starters got pulled.

I believed this a lot more before the Jets went into SD and beat them at home.

 

[MartinRamone]

I dont mind Wade staying, he only needs to focus a bit more on punishing stupid penalties.
Best off season move would be to release Garrett, we wont win anything with him handling the offense.

 

[fan62]

I dont mind Wade staying, he only needs to focus a bit more on punishing stupid penalties.
Best off season move would be to release Garrett, we wont win anything with him handling the offense.

Please tell me who you want to take over for Garrett that is available and will do a better job. Anyone is not an acceptable answer.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

any updates

 

[Bach]

any updates

CONTINUITY!!!!!1111!!!!!!

 

[Alexander]

I guess some people are happy with just getting to the playoffs and winning a game. I remember this franchise believed in more then that. I remember when the Cowboys were bullies and not bullied. Thank god for my memories.

I feel your pain and recall when winning a playoff game was considered a disappointment, not an achievement.

But in regards to the supposed extension, I do not quite understand the angst.

This was a done deal as soon as beat the Saints. It was solidified once the Eagles were dispatched to secure a home playoff game and the NFC East title. It was further cemented after we won in the wildcard round.

I just do not get what was expected. A "see ya" to Phillips after clear progress was made?

I have very high expectations. Higher than a lot of posters around here. But I cannot find much fault at all with this situation other than it just did not work out the way I would prefer.

Phillips earned it. He deserved a shot to come back and build upon the progress made in a year just as much as he deserved to be fired after 44-6. He put his neck and his defense on the line and they delivered for the most part.

The other side of the coin is that there are no other alternatives right now. Yes, I would want another higher profile coach who Jones would defer to, but they are gone. I want a harder disciplinarian. But again, where do you find that right now.

Shanahan and Holmgren, the two front runners this time last year are gone. They were gone well before the season even ended. The Commanders and the Browns made sure of that.

Unless you think someone like Jon Gruden has the magic touch we need, then I fail to see who you would hire that is worth tearing down what has a least a slight chance of being competitive next season.

For the record, I do not feel that Wade Phillips will ever win a Super Bowl. Sorry, that is just how I feel. Conversely, there is not another coach who I think could that Jerry Jones could conceivably hire at this stage. We are not dealing with an owner who would step aside and hand over the keys to someone like Bill Cowher. That is just the way it is.

No, I am not happy. But turning out my insides over it is a waste of time. I would have been fine with just the option year and prove it again. But that is bad PR and bad business. An extension had to be done. And that still does not mean that he can't or shouldn't be fired if the team regresses next year.

The best hope is that with an extension behind him, Phillips himself can continue to progress out of his role as glorified DC and take control of the entire team. That also requires Garrett and also Jones to allow it to be his team. I am not betting on it, but I am hopeful he gets the opportunity and if I were him, I would insist upon it.

The only thing I am not keen on is the continuity concept when continuing exactly as things have functioned for the past three years might not be the best way to go about it. There still needs to be change for the better. Not doing the same "more better". I think we maxed out with this technique in 2009. Raise the bar. Improve the process and refine it.

 

[Chief]

I feel your pain and recall when winning a playoff game was considered a disappointment, not an achievement.

But in regards to the supposed extension, I do not quite understand the angst.

This was a done deal as soon as beat the Saints. It was solidified once the Eagles were dispatched to secure a home playoff game and the NFC East title. It was further cemented after we won in the wildcard round.

I just do not get what was expected. A "see ya" to Phillips after clear progress was made?

I have very high expectations. Higher than a lot of posters around here. But I cannot find much fault at all with this situation other than it just did not work out the way I would prefer.

Phillips earned it. He deserved a shot to come back and build upon the progress made in a year just as much as he deserved to be fired after 44-6. He put his neck and his defense on the line and they delivered for the most part.

The other side of the coin is that there are no other alternatives right now. Yes, I would want another higher profile coach who Jones would defer to, but they are gone. I want a harder disciplinarian. But again, where do you find that right now.

Shanahan and Holmgren, the two front runners this time last year are gone. They were gone well before the season even ended. The Commanders and the Browns made sure of that.

Unless you think someone like Jon Gruden has the magic touch we need, then I fail to see who you would hire that is worth tearing down what has a least a slight chance of being competitive next season.

For the record, I do not feel that Wade Phillips will ever win a Super Bowl. Sorry, that is just how I feel. Conversely, there is not another coach who I think could that Jerry Jones could conceivably hire at this stage. We are not dealing with an owner who would step aside and hand over the keys to someone like Bill Cowher. That is just the way it is.

No, I am not happy. But turning out my insides over it is a waste of time. I would have been fine with just the option year and prove it again. But that is bad PR and bad business. An extension had to be done. And that still does not mean that he can't or shouldn't be fired if the team regresses next year.

The best hope is that with an extension behind him, Phillips himself can continue to progress out of his role as glorified DC and take control of the entire team. That also requires Garrett and also Jones to allow it to be his team. I am not betting on it, but I am hopeful he gets the opportunity and if I were him, I would insist upon it.

The only thing I am not keen on is the continuity concept when continuing exactly as things have functioned for the past three years might not be the best way to go about it. There still needs to be change for the better. Not doing the same "more better". I think we maxed out with this technique in 2009. Raise the bar. Improve the process and refine it.

These are my thoughts as well.

Thanks for saving me from having to write all that.

 

[Bach]

For the record, I do not feel that Wade Phillips will ever win a Super Bowl. Sorry, that is just how I feel. Conversely, there is not another coach who I think could that Jerry Jones could conceivably hire at this stage. We are not dealing with an owner who would step aside and hand over the keys to someone like Bill Cowher. That is just the way it is.

No, I am not happy. But turning out my insides over it is a waste of time. I would have been fine with just the option year and prove it again. But that is bad PR and bad business. An extension had to be done. And that still does not mean that he can't or shouldn't be fired if the team regresses next year.

The best hope is that with an extension behind him, Phillips himself can continue to progress out of his role as glorified DC and take control of the entire team. That also requires Garrett and also Jones to allow it to be his team. I am not betting on it, but I am hopeful he gets the opportunity and if I were him, I would insist upon it.

The only thing I am not keen on is the continuity concept when continuing exactly as things have functioned for the past three years might not be the best way to go about it. There still needs to be change for the better. Not doing the same "more better". I think we maxed out with this technique in 2009. Raise the bar. Improve the process and refine it.

That just about sums it up.

And I agree about the Super Bowl. Other than maybe catching lightning in a bottle at some point, I don't see a Wade team being able to win multiple postseason games and win a Super Bowl. But I guess as long as Jerry is running things while maintaining full control over the staff and personnel then what we have now is about as good as it's going to get.

Obviously it could be worse, we've already been there. But at the same time, no one can convince me Wade as HC with Jerry as GM is the best we can do. What I wouldn't give to actually have an owner that would hire the best GM and HC he can find, open his wallet, and then sit back in his suite and watch the show.

 

[Draegerman]

I like your style FRIEND-O

One of my favorite movies of all-time.

 

[Draegerman]

I didn't grow up in the Landry era nice try though.

Too bad, it's your loss. Coach Landry was the greatest head coach we've ever had for this organization. Between Coach and Tex, both share equal responsibility for making the Cowboys "America's Team". Tex would promote them and sign the talent, Landry would take 'em out and win (hmm...I need to add Gil Brandt in here as well since he found the talent).

Anyway, with that said, I don't believe Landry's coaching style would be as successful in this modern era. These young punks today need hand-holding, bro-hugging "player coaches" that they can dump buckets of gatorade on their heads and get away with it (I shudder to think what Landry would've done if that had happened to him).

He was truly the definition of ol' school and was mere seconds/yards away from winning the first two Superbowls and having the trophy named after him instead of it being named after a short pudgy, near-sighted, eye-talian pasta eater.

 

[Alexander]

These young punks today need hand-holding, bro-hugging "player coaches" that they can dump buckets of gatorade on their heads and get away with it (I shudder to think what Landry would've done if that had happened to him).

It did. Sort of.

It was right after the fad started, but the players were too afraid to do it with Gatorade. The bucket was full of towels. Lame.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I feel your pain and recall when winning a playoff game was considered a disappointment, not an achievement.

But in regards to the supposed extension, I do not quite understand the angst.

This was a done deal as soon as beat the Saints. It was solidified once the Eagles were dispatched to secure a home playoff game and the NFC East title. It was further cemented after we won in the wildcard round.

I just do not get what was expected. A "see ya" to Phillips after clear progress was made?

I have very high expectations. Higher than a lot of posters around here. But I cannot find much fault at all with this situation other than it just did not work out the way I would prefer.

Phillips earned it. He deserved a shot to come back and build upon the progress made in a year just as much as he deserved to be fired after 44-6. He put his neck and his defense on the line and they delivered for the most part.

The other side of the coin is that there are no other alternatives right now. Yes, I would want another higher profile coach who Jones would defer to, but they are gone. I want a harder disciplinarian. But again, where do you find that right now.

Shanahan and Holmgren, the two front runners this time last year are gone. They were gone well before the season even ended. The Commanders and the Browns made sure of that.

Unless you think someone like Jon Gruden has the magic touch we need, then I fail to see who you would hire that is worth tearing down what has a least a slight chance of being competitive next season.

For the record, I do not feel that Wade Phillips will ever win a Super Bowl. Sorry, that is just how I feel. Conversely, there is not another coach who I think could that Jerry Jones could conceivably hire at this stage. We are not dealing with an owner who would step aside and hand over the keys to someone like Bill Cowher. That is just the way it is.

No, I am not happy. But turning out my insides over it is a waste of time. I would have been fine with just the option year and prove it again. But that is bad PR and bad business. An extension had to be done. And that still does not mean that he can't or shouldn't be fired if the team regresses next year.

The best hope is that with an extension behind him, Phillips himself can continue to progress out of his role as glorified DC and take control of the entire team. That also requires Garrett and also Jones to allow it to be his team. I am not betting on it, but I am hopeful he gets the opportunity and if I were him, I would insist upon it.

The only thing I am not keen on is the continuity concept when continuing exactly as things have functioned for the past three years might not be the best way to go about it. There still needs to be change for the better. Not doing the same "more better". I think we maxed out with this technique in 2009. Raise the bar. Improve the process and refine it.

 

[Draegerman]

Unless you think someone like Jon Gruden has the magic touch we need, then I fail to see who you would hire that is worth tearing down what has a least a slight chance of being competitive next season.

<sigh>

That would be me, I wanted Gruden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden

An effort in futility now, I guess. But the man does have pedigree and I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that Al wishes he never made that deal with Tampa (even though it robbed the Bucs of sheckles and draft paicks that eventually led to Gruden's firing).

 

[Alexander]

<sigh>

That would be me, I wanted Gruden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden

An effort in futility now, I guess. But the man does have pedigree and I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that Al wishes he never made that deal with Tampa (even though it robbed the Bucs of sheckles and draft paicks that eventually led to Gruden's firing).

All that Gruden would provide is more scowls and some questionable personnel input. If we had to start from scratch, perhaps. But right now, he would bring very little else with him to the table. We would take a step back defensively for sure and probably would on offense as well.

If there is one thing Phillips has shown is that he has a pretty decent eye for defensive talent and knows what he wants from a player. We also know he can field a very respectable unit for his area of expertise.

Gruden could not even make a quality decision for his area of specialty (QBs and offense) when he was with the Buccaneers. More bark than bite. I like him enough, just not for here, this team, right now.

 

[Coakleys Dad]

<sigh>

That would be me, I wanted Gruden.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Gruden

An effort in futility now, I guess. But the man does have pedigree and I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that Al wishes he never made that deal with Tampa (even though it robbed the Bucs of sheckles and draft paicks that eventually led to Gruden's firing).

gruden is a big nothing, won with dungys talent, had the raiders number in the super bowl because it was still his system, did NOTHING ever since but scowl and look angry...ill pass.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

For all the love for Cowher, lets remember he was a lot of bad calls away from never winning the Super Bowl.

Before that ridiculously reff'd game, Cowhers teams had lost multiple AFC Champ games at home. And they should have lost to Seattle, making him 0-2 for the Super Bowl.

I'll grant you he looks the part, and his teams almost always competed.... but he isn't some sure fire head coaching candidate that wouldn't fail.

And there is no telling how well he would or would not perform with added responsibility.

 

[Draegerman]

All that Gruden would provide is more scowls and some questionable personnel input. If we had to start from scratch, perhaps. But right now, he would bring very little else with him to the table. We would take a step back defensively for sure and probably would on offense as well.

I'm going to hate myself for arguing about this - again. But it's like I said before, I might as well argue about the waterboy replacing Wade (has just as much merit). Regardless, isn't it fair to say that Wade started from scratch, too? Not only that, he had the offensive coordinator shoved down his throat, didn't he?. How did his first year start out? 13-3, right? And you don't think Gruden could take this same team to the next level, next year?

Okay.

If there is one thing Phillips has shown is that he has a pretty decent eye for defensive talent and knows what he wants from a player. We also know he can field a very respectable unit for his area of expertise.

You mean until his defenses' played Minny (this season), Philly (2nd season) and the midgets (1st season), where each of those teams were responsible for ending the Cowboys seasons, right? Would it matter if I bring up the fact that 2 out of those 3 season-ending games, we were blown out the water? What if I regard Wade's first playoff loss (where the score was more respectable) with the Cowboys losing to a division foe that they only dominated twice in the regular season and then he gets outcoached when it really counted?

Gruden could not even make a quality decision for his area of specialty (QBs and offense) when he was with the Buccaneers. More bark than bite. I like him enough, just not for here, this team, right now.

You mean other than blowing out the Raiders in Superbowl Ex-Ex-Ex-Vee-Eye-Eye, 48-21, with the absolute worst backup qb to have ever played for Dallas (with the exception of Laughenberg)?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVII

The thing is it doesn't really matter now, does it? Especially since all of this is merely speculative conjecture at this point, right?

But I'll pose a simple question to you. Do you believe that Wade is a better coach than Gruden?

You can choose to answer it or not. But I'm definitely not going to waste any more brain cells on something as moot a subject as this, that's what beers are for.

 

[Draegerman]

gruden is a big nothing, won with dungys talent, had the raiders number in the super bowl because it was still his system, did NOTHING ever since but scowl and look angry...ill pass.

Good for you, C-Daddy-O.

And thanks for the well thought out post. Perhaps, one day, we can get together over a beer and discuss quantum physics, ok?

 

[wileedog]

Gruden could not even make a quality decision for his area of specialty (QBs and offense) when he was with the Buccaneers. More bark than bite. I like him enough, just not for here, this team, right now.

Except he'd be coming in with all of the pieces in place already. QB, RBs, WR, TE. Plus he got hamstrung by his owners who went cheap on him,

The guy coached Rich Gannon to a Superbowl, I'd be willing to see what he could do with Romo. Its not like Garrett is setting the world on fire with his game plans or personnel decisions. And I think Romo has lacked good QB coaching since Lee left.

Would have liked if they grabbed Nolan as the DC and bribed Chucky out of the booth personally, although I couch all of this with my full realization that that was never a realistic scenario.