Vela: Source: Jones at CB Probably Sooner Than Later

[AbeBeta]

Wow look who can't read

I said i want to see how he can handle not starting, when he feels like he should.

You said that means i want the worse player starting.

How does that turn into that ramble above?

Again you're constant deflection and inability just admit that you made a mistake is rampant in this thread.

Yawn. What is "deflection" about asking you to clarify? I get your point, it is a stupid point, but I get it.

Son, you need to think your point through here.

A. You don't want Jones starting unless he earn it.

B. You want to see him sit so that we can see how he reacts.

If you get B, this would mean either that Jones would have to under perform or that the staff just hands him the job.

If he comes in and plays at the level he did in 2006 then he's going to have Henry's butt on the pine by the first pre-season game. This staff isn't handing anyone a job so the other outcome is totally unlikely. So, frankly, if you get B it is going to mean he didn't play well in TC and pre-season. Is that really what you want?

 

[dargonking999]

Yawn. What is "deflection" about asking you to clarify? I get your point, it is a stupid point, but I get it.

Son, you need to think your point through here.

A. You don't want Jones starting unless he earn it.

B. You want to see him sit so that we can see how he reacts.

If you get B, this would mean either that Jones would have to under perform or that the staff just hands him the job.

If he comes in and plays at the level he did in 2006 then he's going to have Henry's butt on the pine by the first pre-season game. This staff isn't handing anyone a job so that outcome is totally unlikely. So, frankly, if you get B it is going to mean he didn't play well in TC and pre-season. Is that really what you want?

you must have a very low view of Henry's play if you feel that way. 1

you must think Jones can't just walk in and jump in and play CB at top level after a year of not playing, or even conditioning (through his last interview) 2.

try again

 

[AbeBeta]

you must have a very low view of Henry's play if you feel that way. 1

you must think Jones can't just walk in and jump in and play CB at top level after a year of not playing, or even conditioning (through his last interview) 2.

try again

you must have very poor reading skills if you think that is what I believe about Henry.

I can't see how a reinstated Jones would not be starting here -- talent-wise he's one of the top 20 CBs in the league, hands down. Clearly a #1 CB guy. That is no knock on Henry, who I think is a very good player for a 2nd CB

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Point 1) OTAs, Henry has been there many times. Nothing to prove here. He might wisely be saving his energy and avoiding an injury. We all know what he can do.

Point 2) The Cowboys should be covered even if Henry's play has faltered. We have Jones, Scandrick, Jenkins, Brown etc.

 

[dargonking999]

you must have very poor reading skills if you think that is what I believe about Henry.

I am inferring that based on your last post, If Jones performs at Henry's level, then how is that a bad thing, if you think he's a top CB. He has not played in a year, if he outplays henry great, but most likely that will not happen for awhile.

 

[AbeBeta]

I am inferring that based on your last post, If Jones performs at Henry's level, then how is that a bad thing, if you think he's a top CB. He has not played in a year, if he outplays henry great, but most likely that will not happen for awhile.

No, from my post you should get that Jones has a far better upside than Henry. If Jones is at, say 90%, of where he should be then unless Henry is playing as well as he ever has, he's not winning the job.

To be more clear for you. Henry at his best is one of the league's better #2s. But Jones at his best is one of the league's better #1s. Jones isn't going to have to be at 100% to outperform Henry.

 

[dargonking999]

No, from my post you should get that Jones has a far better upside than Henry. If Jones is at, say 90%, of where he should be then unless Henry is playing as well as he ever has, he's not winning the job.

To be more clear for you. Henry at his best is one of the league's better #2s. But Jones at his best is one of the league's better #1s. Jones isn't going to have to be at 100% to outperform Henry.

Thats your opinion, not mine. And it's not fact either.

But we shall see shan't we?

 

[Nexx]

so when has henry ever looked quick and had a good burst? he was always someone who relied on positioning and instincts more than raw athletic prowess.

 

[28 Joker]

Don't underestimate Vela's sources. Nevertheless, I have seen enough of Pacman's play to know that he is a player, and he didn't come to Dallas to eat sun-flower seeds while Henry plays in the base defense.

Pacman could be a little rusty early on and give up a couple of catches to Blinky and Inky, and he would still be a better player than Henry. Get your quarters ready.

 

[AbeBeta]

Don't underestimate Vela's sources. Nevertheless, I have seen enough of Pacman's play to know that he is a player, and he didn't come to Dallas to eat sun-flower seeds while Henry plays in the base defense.

I like Vela but for as long as I've read him -- and we go back like 10 years on some of the original listservs -- he's always been a total Pollyanna. I have no doubt he's got sources, but sometime he focuses on positive statements that jibe with what he thinks is going to be good for the team while ignoring negatives.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

TO abused Henry when he 1st got here in OTAs

not worried about him at this point, he's a solid corner, and one of the top #2s in the league

 

[dargonking999]

TO abused Henry when he 1st got here in OTAs

not worried about him at this point, he's a solid corner, and one of the top #2s in the league

T.O. abused everyone.

But i get your point

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Yeah well everyone will see if this so called "source" is right now not because training camp is next week!

 

[dbair1967]

Source: Jones at CB Probably Sooner Than Later

I spoke to couple of sources tonight who offered some interesting news on the Cowboys and the Brett Favre situation.

– One source told me he’s convinced Adam Jones will win one of the CB spots in Dallas. That’s hardly shocking news. What did surprise me was his assessment of incumbent Anthony Henry, who he claimed looked “so bad” at the team’s OTA workouts. He thinks Henry may be still be ailing and that “he looked slow… no burst or quickness.”

I think Jones will start opp Newman, thats not anything really surprising...he's younger, faster and better

but what Vela is saying is the opp of everything we heard about Henry and the OTA/mini camp...many said he looked pretty good, including hsi time at safety in the nickel/dime

David

 

[theogt]

I think Jones will start opp Newman, thats not anything really surprising...he's younger, faster and better

but what Vela is saying is the opp of everything we heard about Henry and the OTA/mini camp...many said he looked pretty good, including hsi time at safety in the nickel/dime

David

He didn't play any safety in the dime (and we don't play nickel).

 

[ZeroClub]

Adam Jones is a very good return man.

Even if Jones is an upgrade over Henry at CB, it may be smarter to use Jones as a full time returner who plays a (somewhat) limited number of snaps at CB.

I'd like to see how Adam Jones, as a returner, compares to Miles Austin and Felix Jones. (I assume that Adam Jones is easily better than Crayton). Maybe Adams Jones is a bigger upgrade in the kicking game than he is at CB.

Also, if we accept the old school idea that punt and kickoff return duty is especially dangerous, a strong argument could made that an injury to Adam Jones hurts the team less than an injury to Felix Jones.

 

[theogt]

No, from my post you should get that Jones has a far better upside than Henry. If Jones is at, say 90%, of where he should be then unless Henry is playing as well as he ever has, he's not winning the job.

To be more clear for you. Henry at his best is one of the league's better #2s. But Jones at his best is one of the league's better #1s. Jones isn't going to have to be at 100% to outperform Henry.

I thought you were an INT man, rather than coverage. Henry's an INT machine, and his coverage stats are average. Jones is a Newman clone, as in he won't get very many INTs at all.

 

[dogunwo]

Henry has enough speed to cover the T.E.

I dont know about that.

 

[dogunwo]

Don't underestimate Vela's sources. Nevertheless, I have seen enough of Pacman's play to know that he is a player, and he didn't come to Dallas to eat sun-flower seeds while Henry plays in the base defense.

Pacman could be a little rusty early on and give up a couple of catches to Blinky and Inky, and he would still be a better player than Henry. Get your quarters ready.

Memebers of the media always stick together

 

[AbeBeta]

I thought you were an INT man, rather than coverage. Henry's an INT machine, and his coverage stats are average. Jones is a Newman clone, as in he won't get very many INTs at all.

I think the discuss you recall was about whether yards per attempt was a good indicator of CB quality -- and I thought we both agreed that something like passer rating - i.e., a statistic that gave credit for ints and penalized for TDs given up as well as YPA - would be better.

I wouldn't call Henry an INT machine -- he's got 3 more than Newman over the last 3 years. He sure looked that way early last season though.