Vick Indicted

CanadianCowboysFan · Jul 17, 2007

bobtheflob;1553679 said:
There's no way the NFL can't come down hard on this. They'd be called hypocrites by everyone and their dog if they don't.

Don't you think the NFL should wait to see if he is found guilty before doing anything?

5Stars · Jul 17, 2007

CanadianCowboysFan;1553685 said:
Don't you think the NFL should wait to see if he is found guilty before doing anything?

Once again...how many freaking times must it be said that NFL punishment is not the equivelent of law and order punishment!

Did you not listen in your law school, Mr. Barristor and Solicitor?

Big Dakota · Jul 17, 2007

CanadianCowboysFan;1553685 said:
Don't you think the NFL should wait to see if he is found guilty before doing anything?

Like Punkman?

Big Dakota · Jul 17, 2007

5Stars;1553687 said:
Once again...how many freaking times must it be said that NFL punishment is not the equivelent of law and order punishment!

Did you not listen in your law school, Mr. Barristor and Solicitor?

Supreme Court of Canada

GimmeTheBall! · Jul 17, 2007

CanadianCowboysFan;1553685 said:
Don't you think the NFL should wait to see if he is found guilty before doing anything?

I find the defecadent Michael Vick guilty as indicted!

And if this dog torturer starts the first game of Atlanta's season, I look foward to legions of fans throwing dog biscuits out in the field. (Biodegradable, biscuits, of course. I don't want no real littering, ahem.)

jackrussell · Jul 17, 2007

This calls for an emergency meeting of the DVS.

Where's our fearless Lord Muckity when you need him?

cobra · Jul 17, 2007

CanadianCowboysFan;1553676 said:
In all fairness, it is just an indictment, in no way is it a finding of guilt.

One ought not overlook the old adage that "you can indict a ham sandwich."

Nevertheless, this does not portend well for Vick for two reasons:

1. It's a clear indication that the Feds have looked at this and want to proceed with it. If they didn't have the stomach for it, they wouldn't have gone with the indictment. Since they want to go forward, you can bet they have some smoking guns and some further indictments going forward. And that is where RICO might come in.

2. Other individuals were indicted, and they are going to be put in position to potentially "roll over" on others, especially the high-value-target Vick. If some people place him involved after plea bargaining, Vick is in some deep poo.

5Stars · Jul 17, 2007

GimmeTheBall!;1553694 said:
I find the defecadent Michael Vick guilty as indicted!

And if this dog torturer starts the first game of Atlanta's season, I look foward to legions of fans throwing dog biscuits out in the field. (Biodegradable, biscuits, of course. I don't want no real littering, ahem.)

:laugh2: Now, the dog biscuit throwing would be a good and funny idea!

But, I think the fans in Atlanta love Senior Mexico so much that they would cheer loudly when he runs his first 10 yards for a first down....

, then they will forget about the dogs like it never happened!

theogt · Jul 17, 2007

He better be out for at least a year. Federal charges, man.

AbeBeta · Jul 17, 2007

burmafrd;1553638 said:
What happened to that thread "Vick Indictment Unlikely"?

That was a piece of wishful thinking -- the evidence cited for an unlikely indictment was that Vick wasn't named -- but nobody was named in the filing so that was non-evidence that a sportswriter misinterpreted.

bobtheflob · Jul 17, 2007

Other players have gotten in trouble because they were issued a breathalizer test, I'd say an indictment is worse.

THUMPER · Jul 17, 2007

Juke99;1553585 said:
They kept Vick and got rid of Schaub.

OOOOooops.

That was my first thought when this first surfaced a few months ago. They will rue the day they made that move. :lmao2:

jackrussell · Jul 17, 2007

5Stars;1553698 said:
But, I think the fans in Atlanta love Senior Mexico so much that they would cheer loudly when he runs his first 10 yards for a first down.... , then they will forget about the dogs like it never happened!

That shouldn't come as any surprise...

bbgun · Jul 17, 2007

5Stars;1553687 said:
Once again...how many freaking times must it be said that NFL punishment is not the equivelent of law and order punishment!

Even the NFL has to maintain standards. Otherwise they run the risk of looking completely arbitrary. Goodall can't dispense wildly different sentences on a whim. If he did, activists like Sharpton would camp outside his office with a bullhorn.

THUMPER · Jul 17, 2007

theogt;1553700 said:
He better be out for at least a year. Federal charges, man.

He might be "in" for at least a year. Federal charges man.

AbeBeta · Jul 17, 2007

CanadianCowboysFan;1553685 said:
Don't you think the NFL should wait to see if he is found guilty before doing anything?

The news is going to be thick with this for days. that hurts the league's image and Vick could have avoided the situation.

That sir = suspension.

5Stars · Jul 17, 2007

bbgun;1553705 said:
Even the NFL has to maintain standards. Otherwise they run the risk of looking completely arbitrary. Goodall can't dispense wildly different sentences on a whim. If he did, activists like Sharpton would camp outside his office with a bullhorn.

Very true...that's why I don't think anything really harsh is going to happen to this scumbag!

Chocolate Lab · Jul 17, 2007

cobra;1553697 said:
One ought not overlook the old adage that "you can indict a ham sandwich."

Nevertheless, this does not portend well for Vick for two reasons:

1. It's a clear indication that the Feds have looked at this and want to proceed with it. If they didn't have the stomach for it, they wouldn't have gone with the indictment. Since they want to go forward, you can bet they have some smoking guns and some further indictments going forward. And that is where RICO might come in.

2. Other individuals were indicted, and they are going to be put in position to potentially "roll over" on others, especially the high-value-target Vick. If some people place him involved after plea bargaining, Vick is in some deep poo.

103.3 has a copy of the indictment, and Mosley is reading bits of it as he gets time. Apparently the Feds cite specific instances of "Bad Newz Kennels" dogs fighting other dogs from other dogfighting clubs from 2001 to 2007. They've got the actual genders and names of the dogs involved.

I don't know anything about dogfighting, but it sounds like a sick to-the-death version of a dual match, like you'd have with another school in tennis or track.

And maybe this was already common knowledge, and not specific to this case. But when the dogs lived, they'd often strangle, hang, or drown them.

They also had the specific dollar amount used to start the organization, and Vick is one of the three along with "T" and "Q". So it's not like he was just the owner of the property.

Even if he isn't convicted, he's in very deep caca.

Big Dakota · Jul 17, 2007

jackrussell;1553704 said:
That shouldn't come as any surprise...

:laugh1: Blank and Petrino

AbeBeta · Jul 17, 2007

bbgun;1553705 said:
Even the NFL has to maintain standards. Otherwise they run the risk of looking completely arbitrary. Goodall can't dispense wildly different sentences on a whim. If he did, activists like Sharpton would camp outside his office with a bullhorn.

Goodie has free reign on this one - it isn't like someone got hit with a DUI -- we can be reasonably sure that there is no comparison case here nor will there likely ever be one.

And lay off the Sharpton biz - he's got nothing to do with this - you are just trying to start something.

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