Vick Indicted

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abersonc;1553718 said:
And lay off the Sharpton biz - he's got nothing to do with this - you are just trying to start something.

Actually, abersonic...I don't think BBGun is trying to start something, I think you are taking it wrong...because that is most likely exactely what would happen...

It's true...it's been done before.

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abersonc;1553718 said:
Goodie has free reign on this one - it isn't like someone got hit with a DUI -- we can be reasonably sure that there is no comparison case here nor will there likely ever be one.

Yes, the charge is very serious, but the NFL has to project some semblance of fairness.

And lay off the Sharpton biz - he's got nothing to do with this - you are just trying to start something.

Sharp is known for sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Ever heard of Duke? Plus, Vick's defenders have already played the race card, so I'm on solid ground.
 

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5Stars;1553721 said:
Actually, abersonic...I don't think BBGun is trying to start something, I think you are taking it wrong...because that is most likely exactely what would happen...

It's true...it's been done before.

:eek::

I'm sorry, where has Sharpton been for these other suspensions then?
 

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bbgun;1553724 said:
Yes, the charge is very serious, but the NFL has to project some semblance of fairness.

How can you have "fairness" if you have no comparable situation to establish that?


bbgun;1553724 said:
Sharp is known for sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Ever heard of Duke? Plus, Vick's defenders have already played the race card, so I'm on solid ground.

Yawn.
 

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abersonc;1553725 said:
I'm sorry, where has Sharpton been for these other suspensions then?

He was too busy trying to frame, defame, and imprison three innocent student athletes. There's only so many hours in a day.
 

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bbgun;1553729 said:
He was too busy trying to frame, defame, and imprison three innocent student athletes. There's only so many hours in a day.

Yawn.
 

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Here is a link to the indictment.

I'll read it over and give my off-the-cuff impressions. I haven't fooled with indictments since I did some time in the clinic during law school years ago, but I should be able to give some insight in a few.
 

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I wonder how Poindexter is going to be involved in all this mess? Isn't he the one that did not want the search warrent to take place because of "the wording" or something like that?

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By SAEED AHMED
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution


A federal grand jury on Tuesday indicted Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick for his alleged role in a dogfighting operation in Virginia where breeders fought pitbulls for purses as high as $20,000 and losing dogs were electrocuted, drowned, hanged or shot to death.

In addition to Vick, 27, the 18-page federal indictment, filed in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virgina, also names three other defendants: Purnell A. Peace,35, of Virgina Beach; Quanis L. Phillips, 28, of Atlanta; and Tony Taylor, 34, of Hampton, Va.

The grand jury charged that the four purchased a parcel of land to serve as the main staging area to house and train pit bulls and to host fights.

The indictment said the four established a kennel, purchased pitbulls, trained and bred them and went to several locations to engage them in fights. The location also played host to several dog fights attended by competitors from several states.

And when the dogs didn't perform well in initial testing, they met a cruel fate. The indictment says "In or about April 2007, Peace, Phillips and Vick executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions at 1915 Moonlight Road by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

If convicted on the travel portion of the charges, each of the four face a maximum of five years in prison. If convicted on the animal fighting charge, each face one year in prison.

According to prosecutors, Vick paid $34,000 to purchase a property in Smithfield, Va., in June 2001, and the four men formed a dogfighting enterprise that they named "Bad Newz Kennels." Urban Dictionary lists Bad Newz as the street name for Newport News, Va., Vick's hometown.

They set about purchasing dogs and puppies from several sellers, paying -- in one case -- about $1,000 for four pit bull puppies.

The men, aided by others, then set about making alterations to the property, such as erecting a fence to shield the back of the compound from public view. Also included in the alterations: "kennels and buried car axles with chains for the pit bulls. The buried car axles allow the dog chains to pivot, allowing the pit bulls to avoid getting tangled in the chains."

Testing the dogs

The following year, Peace and Vick "rolled" or tested some of the fighting dogs, the indictment said.

The men placed the dog in a short fighting match to see how well it fared.

That February, Peace killed a poor-performing pit bull by shooting with a 0.22 caliber pistol. And as the months went on, various defendants are accused of shooting dogs that didn't live up to fighting standards.

The fights begin

At this point, page after page of the indictment details several fights that the defendants either hosted at the property or took their dogs to. The fights involved dogs with names such as "Seal," "Maniac," and "Zebro."

The men hosted dog fighting competitions at the location where participants and dogs traveled from South Carolina, North Carolina, Maryland, New York, Texas, Alabama and elsewhere.
The purse for each fight would range into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and each bout would last until one of the dogs died or surrendered. A purse for one such fight was established at $10,000 per side, meaning that the winner stood to win $20,000.

The losing dog would be put to death by drowning, hanging, gunshot, electrocution or a different method, the indictment alleged.

"In or about March of 2003, Peace, after consulting with Vick about the losing female pit bull's condition, executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal," the indictment said.

The situation this year

As late as April of 2007, the four men continued fighting the dogs -- "approximately 54 American Pit Bull Terriers, some of which had scars and injuries appearing to be related to dog fighting; a 'rape stand,' a device in which a female dog who is too aggressive to submit to males for breeding is strapped down with her head held in place by a restraint," and more.

Vick's denials

Vick, one of the highest-paid players in the National Football League, has denied any involvement in dogfighting. In his one statement on the issue, speaking from New York before the NFL Draft, Vick told the AJC he was not involved in dogfighting and claimed relatives were responsible for his trouble.

Vick has bred and sold pitbulls and other breeds through two companies: Mike Vick K-9 Kennels and MV7 Inc. (named for his initials and his football jersey number). The companies' Web site -- recently taken offline -- described their animals as "family pets."

"We do not promote, support or raise dogs for fighting, " the Web site said, "and will not knowingly sell, give or trade any dog that may be used for fighting."

Vick and the Falcons report to training camp on July 25, with the first practice set for July 26.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/s...indict_0717.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
 

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Juke99;1553585 said:
They kept Vick and got rid of Schaub.

OOOOooops.

credit that moron Blank for that too...

this is just hilarious...th only way it could be better is if Vick played for the Commanders or Eagles...I hope the piece of garbage gets 20 yrs...I'm sure some of that 130 million he has will be used to buy his way out of this, but he is, and always will be a piece of trash loser

David
 

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Yabba Dabba Doo, I hope this punk gets screwed, for making the pit bulls fued!
 

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cobra;1553731 said:
Here is a link to the indictment.

I'll read it over and give my off-the-cuff impressions. I haven't fooled with indictments since I did some time in the clinic during law school years ago, but I should be able to give some insight in a few.


:eek: Damn, you are going to read 18 pages of gobbled-de-gock! :laugh2:

I could read it too, but I would not know what the hell I was reading!

But, thanks, I cannot wait for your take on this.
 

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abersonc;1553581 said:
Lot of evidence there -- his house, tons of evidence of fighting. This may not end well for him -- he may avoid jail time but he's going to get nailed by the league and his agent is probably receiving numerous faxes right now from sponsors who no longer need Vick's services.

Federal Indictment = Jail

Everything is based on sentencing guidelines.

There is no parole.

Vick is going to jail.
 

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cobra;1553731 said:
Here is a link to the indictment.

I'll read it over and give my off-the-cuff impressions. I haven't fooled with indictments since I did some time in the clinic during law school years ago, but I should be able to give some insight in a few.
Page 1

"MICHAEL VICK, also known as Ookie..."

LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love reading stuff like this in federal court documents.
 

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I think Wonderdog is on the case, just saw a commercial for the movie. Brings me back to my childhood.

Does Vick even have any endorsements left to lose ???
 

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MichaelWinicki;1553598 said:
If he's found guilty I hope the NFL does what's right...

they should do whats right regardless...Vick is an embarrassment to the league and a disgrace...people who take part in dogfighting are just about the lowest forms of life

David
 

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dbair1967;1553743 said:
they should do whats right regardless...Vick is an embarrassment to the league and a disgrace...people who take part in dogfighting are just about the lowest forms of life

David

yep.

Anyone who is into this sorta things needs some help.

In any case, Vick will be going to jail.

99.99 of Federal Indictments end with a conviction/plea agreement.

Vick is going to jail.
 

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Yep, they got him on RICO.

He was indicted for violating this statute.

Here is the RICO act.

It's up to 20 years per violation of the Act. He was indicted for at least 10 separate acts.

Screw suspension. He is in deep, deep poop federally.
 

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Hostile;1553601 said:
That groan you hear is Arthur Blank all the way in Atlanta.

Now comes the backlash.

its his own fault...he's been slamming him down everyone's throat for years, and doing everything he can to keep all of Vick's garbage under the rug...he gave him a ridiculous contract, ran off the only coach who has ever done anything positive on the field for the loser, hired another college coach and vastly overpaid to egt im, then proclaimed that the coach would decide who the QB would be, followed that up by promptly trading away the competition at QB before said coach ever saw him take one snap on the field...

Blank deserves whatever he gets

David
 
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