Video: Bradie James & Roy Williams

[theogt]

No. I will dismiss it as a waste of time. This is not new ground for anybody who has been posting on this board for the last 3 or 4 years. However long it's been. Even this footage has been discussed previously over and over. Opinions will not be changed. It is a waste of time and effort to discuss it further. It will not change anything.

So there wasn't any point in posting what you did?

 

[CF74]

This season Roy will be under a different scheme in which he said will make life easier for him, if he tanks then what? My money is on him succeeding...:starspin

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So there wasn't any point in posting what you did?

Or at all Theo. I said that from the begining. Just not to you. Now, even though I said it to Rosh, you feel compelled to prove something you can not prove. Let it go. You will not change anybodies mind because all are resolute where this is concerned.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This season Roy will be under a different scheme in which he said will make life easier for him, if he tanks then what? My money is on him succeeding...:starspin

I would love to see this if for no other reason then to finally be rid of these tiresome arguements. Lord, please let Roy become the player we all hope he is. :laugh2:

 

[theogt]

Or at all Theo. I said that from the begining. Just not to you. Now, even though I said it to Rosh, you feel compelled to prove something you can not prove. Let it go. You will not change anybodies mind because all are resolute where this is concerned.

I like talking football. It's why I come here. I've seen lots of people change their minds on all sorts of subjects here, including myself. I just don't see the pont in saying I'm right but I won't engage anyone because I can't change their mind.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I like talking football. It's why I come here. I've seen lots of people change their minds on all sorts of subjects here, including myself. I just don't see the pont in saying I'm right but I won't engage anyone because I can't change their mind.

Clearly.

Very well, if you wish to continue with this, by all means, do so. Just remember, the point made was to Rosh. It was not to you. It was not to you for a reason.

Please, continue.

 

[theogt]

Clearly.

Very well, if you wish to continue with this, by all means, do so. Just remember, the point made was to Rosh. It was not to you. It was not to you for a reason.

Please, continue.

The funny thing is that IR made a few points, the OP clarified a few things, and IR eventually agreed with him. Just the thing you're saying can't happen. It's entirely possible to have a reasonably intelligent conversation and come away with a logical consensus. The problem is usually when people think others are simply defending or bashing a player because they've got to uphold some larger belief. A narrow mind begets obstinacy.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The funny thing is that IR made a few points, the OP clarified a few things, and IR eventually agreed with him. Just the thing you're saying can't happen. It's entirely possible to have a reasonably intelligent conversation and come away with a logical consensus.

I think I've already encouraged you to go out and do so, by all means. Why don't you go find Rosh and see if you can make him see your point of view.

I am content to watch you try.

 

[CF74]

I would love to see this if for no other reason then to finally be rid of these tiresome arguements. Lord, please let Roy become the player we all hope he is. :laugh2:

Dude either he's in position to make a play or he's out of position trying to clean up somebody else's mess, this could be said about any safety. Roy is good when used for his strengths as is any other player but Roy plays strong safety for a reason, he's a hitter plain and simple. We've also seen him make picks so he's not a total disaster in the coverage area...

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dude either he's in position to make a play or he's out of position trying to clean up somebody else's mess, this could be said about any safety. Roy is good when used for his strengths as is any other player but Roy plays strong safety for a reason, he's a hitter plain and simple. We've also seen him make picks so he's not a total disaster in the coverage area...

Dude, I understand all this. Your not saying anything many haven't said for years. However, Roy has only played SS perhaps 1 year. The rest, he has not. Roy has played very little traditional Strong Safety, which is why I hope he is able to do this now that Wade is here.
The problem is that even when he is not in the proper position, it will not be agreed upon. That is the crux of the problem where this discussion is concerned, to say nothing of when he actually is in position and does not make the play.

 

[InmanRoshi]

This season Roy will be under a different scheme in which he said will make life easier for him, if he tanks then what? My money is on him succeeding...:starspin

That play of Roy getting crushed by Mack Strong is a good example of how overrated scheme and playcalling can be. Its 4th and inches late in the game with the season on the line. Everyone knows what Seattle is going to do ... run Shaun Alexander behind Walter Jones. Those are their big money players. Dallas calls the play to put their big money player in a position to win the game for them .... and Roy Williams escapes on a run blitz completely untouched into their backfield with a chance to blow up the play for a loss.

.... and gets crumpled by Mack Strong.

Our big money player didn't make the play. And it wasn't the scheme's fault. And it wasn't the system's fault. And it wasn't Bradie James' fault. And it wasn't Bill Parcells fault. He just didn't make the play. That's what it comes down to more often than not.

 

[CF74]

That play of Roy getting crushed by Mack Strong is a good example of how overrated scheme and playcalling can be. Its 4th and inches late in the game with the season on the line. Everyone knows what Seattle is going to do ... run Shaun Alexander behind Walter Jones. Those are their big money players. Dallas calls the play to put their big money player in a position to win the game for them .... and Roy Williams escapes on a run blitz completely untouched into their backfield with a chance to blow up the play for a loss.

.... and gets crumpled by Mack Strong.

Our big money player didn't make the play. And it wasn't the scheme's fault. And it wasn't the system's fault. And it wasn't Bradie James' fault. And it wasn't Bill Parcells fault. He just didn't make the play. That's what it comes down to more often than not.

Mack Strong ain't no slouch and I've seen Roy make those money plays, it's just the way the cards fall sometimes my friend...

 

[JPM]

That play of Roy getting crushed by Mack Strong is a good example of how overrated scheme and playcalling can be. Its 4th and inches late in the game with the season on the line. Everyone knows what Seattle is going to do ... run Shaun Alexander behind Walter Jones. Those are their big money players. Dallas calls the play to put their big money player in a position to win the game for them .... and Roy Williams escapes on a run blitz completely untouched into their backfield with a chance to blow up the play for a loss.

.... and gets crumpled by Mack Strong.

Our big money player didn't make the play. And it wasn't the scheme's fault. And it wasn't the system's fault. And it wasn't Bradie James' fault. And it wasn't Bill Parcells fault. He just didn't make the play. That's what it comes down to more often than not.

Sometimes it just happens that way.

 

[superpunk]

Sometimes it just happens that way.

Agreed.

We could point out those plays for every player on the team last year. Some quite a bit more than Roy.

But I do agree with IR about all the whining about the scheme, etc. That was one of Roy's worst moments. Noone else is to blame for that.

 

[dboyz]

I agree the first play is on Roy. He should have made a play on the ball.

It just looked to me that Roy was playing tentative a lot as was our whole defense late in the year. Someone want to blame B. James. Some want to play Roy. The fact is late in the year our defense wasn't cohesive, wasn't playing with confidence. It was the exact opposite and it involved many players. Hopefully Wade can fix it.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Sometimes it just happens that way.

And sometimes when your middle linebacker is covering an athletic tight end 30 yards down field he'll get burned. I like my chances with Jason Witten matched up with any middle linebacker for 30 yards ... I don't care if it's Brian Urlacher.

I just think its funny that when you show footage of three plays of Bradie James getting burned (including one that's not his fault), its time to get rid of the bum and he's worthless and his teammates hate him. But when its footage of Roy getting devastated by Mack Strong (at something Roy is supposedly "great" at), it's Que Serra Serra.

Mack Strong ain't no slouch, but if we're going to adjust our entire defense around Roy and ask our other three secondary people to cover more ground so he can play up in the box, he's going to have to make that play. You want to play up in the box with the big boys? Fine. You'll have to take on and beat guys like Mack Strong all day. If we're asking Ken Hamlin (or whoever at FS) to cover the entire secondary from sideline to sideline to put you in a position to succeed, just make the play. No excuses.

 

[pgreptom]

I don't think he could ever make you guys happy. If he was giving up a ton of 4-6 yard plays with a possibility with a big play, you would complain. The cover-2 is not, and should not, be a featured main defense vs. the pass. There's holes - and it was exploited a lot last year.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Kind of funny how "Cover 2" has become this rallying cry for Roy's worshipers as some inherently evil and flawed defense.

Especially considering the two teams in the Superbowl last year specialize in it as their base defense.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And sometimes when your middle linebacker is covering an athletic tight end 30 yards down field he'll get burned. I like my chances with Jason Witten matched up with any middle linebacker for 30 yards ... I don't care if it's Brian Urlacher.

I just think its funny that when you show footage of three plays of Bradie James getting burned (including one that's not his fault), its time to get rid of the bum and he's worthless and his teammates hate him. But when its footage of Roy getting devastated by Mack Strong (at something Roy is supposedly "great" at), it's Que Serra Serra.

Mack Strong ain't no slouch, but if we're going to adjust our entire defense around Roy and ask our other three secondary people to cover more ground so he can play up in the box, he's going to have to beat the big boys.

And this is what I'm talking about. People are so intent on blaming James, a player I am not in love with BTW, for not being able to cover one of the most athletic TEs in the NFL 40 yards down the field when in truth, there aren't 3 LBs IMO, who could cover that pattern the way the defense was designed to play it. I mean, the only way Brady has a chance on that play is if he's 20 yards off the ball playing where a safety should be lining up. The chuck on the TE also sucked but that's fine. I guess what I'm saying is if you expect James to be able to cover that, then you gotta give him a chance to cover it and in the location on the field James was lined up, there is no way he could not have been in a trailing position on that play. You would have to have help from the Safety. BTW, we don't play a Tampa2, which is the defense designed for the MLB to play the deep deep zone. Cover2 and Tampa2 are two different coverages. This has all been gone over and explained but to no avail. So, if Brady was so far out of position on the play, why didn't anybody call it out? Why didn't the team call a TO to get the alignment right? My guess is because that's the way it was designed to be played. Brady James is not my ideal player but I think it's rediculouse to throw him under the bus for that play. James was in about as good a trailing position as you can be for that play if your a MLB. The only way that play is completed is if the ball is out in front of the TE. In a situation like that, you must have a Safety coming up to lay the wood. Otherwise, your asking to get beat. Basically, your designing a defense that can not succeed. Or could it be, that there should have been help for James over the top on the deep seam?

 

[superpunk]

And sometimes when your middle linebacker is covering an athletic tight end 30 yards down field he'll get burned. I like my chances with Jason Witten matched up with any middle linebacker for 30 yards ... I don't care if it's Brian Urlacher.

I just think its funny that when you show footage of three plays of Bradie James getting burned (including one that's not his fault), its time to get rid of the bum and he's worthless and his teammates hate him. But when its footage of Roy getting devastated by Mack Strong (at something Roy is supposedly "great" at), it's Que Serra Serra.

Mack Strong ain't no slouch, but if we're going to adjust our entire defense around Roy and ask our other three secondary people to cover more ground so he can play up in the box, he's going to have to make that play. You want to play up in the box with the big boys? Fine. You'll have to take on and beat guys like Mack Strong all day. If we're asking Ken Hamlin (or whoever at FS) to cover the entire secondary from sideline to sideline to put you in a position to succeed, just make the play. No excuses.

Has anyone tried to excuse the Mack Strong play?

Or is this just one long Roy Williams *****-fest?

There's a whole season worth of James being worthless and making about zero plays to write home about - it's hardly three plays that are making people's minds over. These plays just evidence how inept James is in coverage, and how people can look at these plays and wail "Oh, Roy Williams!" when the thing that is getting exploited is an inherent flaw in the scheme, but can only be exploited when your ILB is as inept as Bradie James.