VIDEO COMPARISON: The Phillips 3-4 vs The Parcells 3-4

[Billy Bullocks]

With pass rush it just seems Wades scheme is more team based, this guy will slant this way to create a bigger hole for tis other guy to get to the QB doesnt matter who it s but he designs holes in the OL more than blitzes and then sticks a rusher in the hole. BP's scheme said heres where I want you to rush beat the man infront of you and get to the QB so even if the player does beat his opposite man it has taken longer and the QB has already thrown the ball. We had pass rush last year it was just too slow because it relied solely on individual skill(why Ware excelled) to get to the QB not a team approach.

That's because the philosophies are different. Parcells likes to set up individual match ups with his players against the opponent, and then relies on the individuals to make plays.

 

[TEK2000]

That's because the philosophies are different. Parcells likes to set up individual match ups with his players against the opponent, and then relies on the individuals to make plays.

Not really. Parcells/Zimmer didn't adjust the defense to what the offense was doing. So you can't really say that they were setting up for individual matchups. The defense was matching up with whatever the offense gave them... instead of Wade Phillips that adjusted his defensive alignment to get his players matched up on who HE wanted instead of what the opponent wanted.

Almost every play, the Chargers defense would switch sides depending on the alignment of the offense. RARELY did the Cowboy defense ever switch based on the alignment of the offense.

 

[theogt]

They do play it.

So you can hardly rule them out of any discussion about transitioning well from run to pass, no matter how infrequently they do it.

And the Chargers, Steelers, and Ravens play it to an extent as well. They'll all sometimes 2-gap one side of the line and 1-gap another side or 1-gap both sides. None of them play a 2-gap as exclusively as Parcells, however, so it's extremely hard to make a comparison one way or the other.

Actually it was Aaron Glenn.

But Adam is also right when he says Fergie said it too. They both did.

Funny, I was thinking of Aaron when I typed it. They're both small, old, Parcells' guys.

 

[superpunk]

And the Chargers, Steelers, and Ravens play it to an extent as well. They'll all sometimes 2-gap one side of the line and 1-gap another side or 1-gap both sides. None of them play a 2-gap as exclusively as Parcells, however, so it's extremely hard to make a comparison one way or the other.

Not really. All defensive linemen, in any scheme ar e eventually gonna have to switch from playing run to pass and vice versa. A comarison of how well they do it can be made. Extent to which they play 2 gap versus 1 gap is irrelevent.

 

[theogt]

Not really. All defensive linemen, in any scheme ar e eventually gonna have to switch from playing run to pass and vice versa. A comarison of how well they do it can be made. Extent to which they play 2 gap versus 1 gap is irrelevent.

It's entirely relevant. In fact, it's the whole point of the discussion. You have to compare 2-gap to 2-gap and 1-gap to 1-gap.

 

[Alexander]

Its quite simple.

Take a few plays. Discuss what one team did on each play and then discuss what the other team did on each play.
Don't discuss HOW each PLAYER performed on each play.

The players are the ones who ultimately have to execute the play/scheme that is called.

Coach Parcells isn't the first, nor the last, to run a predominantly two-gap defense.

Whether or not we have the right talent is more relevant than just the scheme.

Someone said is there anyone who could function well in this system.

That is a very good question. It is well known it is a very very hard defense to play. Anyone can attest to that.

 

[TEK2000]

The players are the ones who ultimately have to execute the play/scheme that is called.

Coach Parcells isn't the first, nor the last, to run a predominantly two-gap defense.

Whether or not we have the right talent is more relevant than just the scheme.

Someone said is there anyone who could function well in this system.

That is a very good question. It is well known it is a very very hard defense to play. Anyone can attest to that.

You're right, but the purpose of my comparison was to simply show what is typical of what Wade Phillips did with his defense in San Diego last season and show what the Cowboys typically did on defense last season. It's not a comparison of how good or bad each group of players is.

Nor is it an attempt to put down Parcells and Zimmer. Its simply an educational piece for those people that may not have seen the kinds of things Wade Phillips did in San Diego compared to what we have seen with the Cowboys.

I believe that the production of last season's defense was a combination of personell issues as well as scheme issues. In some instances the scheme was limited because of the capabilities of the personell, while in some other instances the personell was limited by the scheme.

I look forward to seeing what our DLinemen can get done under this new style that Wade Phillips brings.

 

[adbutcher]

Best thread of the entire off season.

The uninformed would say there is not a difference between 1 gapping and 2 gapping...these videos beg the differ!

Thanks!

 

[BigDFan5]

Best thread of the entire off season.

Come on now my "Caption the Commanders fan" has to be top 5

 

[eduncan22]

2006 San Dog run defense 100.8 ypg ranked # 7
2006 Cowboys run defense 103.7 ypg ranked # 10

Total difference is only 46 yards.


Again, over the last half of the season, our pass defense died.

2006 San Dog pass D 200.8 ypg ranked # 13
2006 Cowboys pass D 219.1 ypg ranked # 24

Total difference is 294 yards.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

excellent work, the difference is astounding, watching the 2's play against the run, their linemen attack the gaps while our linemen, pause, and then fight past the line of scrimmage, albeit w/ not much success, that's how it was for basically all our plays

1 thing I noticed though w/ the clip showing San Diego's NT and DE stunt, their DE actually pushed his way into the backfield, for all the whining and crying about lack of stunting, the linemen still need to push their man back when it comes down to it, you're not always going to find a gap to run through, and that was one our DE's biggest problems, they were neutralized once the Olineman got their hands on them, so hopefully another year of strength and conditioning will help our ends

but again, excellent work

 

[theogt]

Again, over the last half of the season, our pass defense died.

2006 San Dog pass D 200.8 ypg ranked # 13
2006 Cowboys pass D 219.1 ypg ranked # 24

Total difference is 294 yards.

That's strange considering we have a better secondary but they had a better pass-rush. Clearly we should replace our secondary rather than upgrade the pass-rush.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Thanks for posting this. I knew last night when I read what you did that it was a must see video. Is it Sept. yet???

 

[CF74]

I put up a page on my site showing what I have posted elsewhere.

You can go to the page directly by clicking HERE
You can also find it under the "2007 Clips" at www.cowboysvids.com

Basically, its 2 videos.
1 video shows 4 plays from the Chargers 2006 defense
Another video shows 4 plays from the Cowboys 2006 defense.
(they are flash videos and will play directly in the webpage... no downloading necessary)

I go through a brief description of how different things are done in each defense on the different plays. Specifically, its focusing on the different blitzing and attacking styles of the Front 7 defenders.

If you haven't seen any of Wade Phillips' 3-4 defense and are curious to see what kind of stuff the 2007 Cowboys defense will be doing... YOU MUST SEE THIS!!!

I hope everyone enjoys it and I welcome any discussion about any of it.

I like the play where Faneca gets blown off the line:laugh2:

Nice work TEK..

 

[superpunk]

It's entirely relevant. In fact, it's the whole point of the discussion. You have to compare 2-gap to 2-gap and 1-gap to 1-gap.

Go back and read it again. Alexander said they didn't transition well from run to pass mode - which is true. You questioned whether there were any defensive players that DID do that well, and then went off on some irrelevent tangent about Bellichick. All players have to transition from run to pass. All players will play the different styles. The extent to which they do so is irrelevent in a comparison of how well they do it.

 

[theogt]

Go back and read it again. Alexander said they didn't transition well from run to pass mode - which is true. You questioned whether there were any defensive players that DID do that well, and then went off on some irrelevent tangent about Bellichick. All players have to transition from run to pass. All players will play the different styles. The extent to which they do so is irrelevent in a comparison of how well they do it.

My point was that the ends that have been successful overall in Belicheck's system don't necessarily transition from run to pass any better than our ends. Their "success" may be the result of being able to play 1-gap and 2-gap. We would have to look at their success only while playing 2-gap. Some people think that the Belicheck system = the Parcells system. That is completely untrue. They're very different sytems, so you can't just compare ends that easily. That's why it's relevant.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

The thing that I noticed on the clips, is what I have complained about for years about our defense, and blitzing.

When we blitz, it is never to the path of least resistance. Our blitzers always run straight into a blocker. It is almost as if the blitzing scheme calls for them to run into a blocker first to make sure that blocker doesn't block anyone else, and then go for the QB. We very seldom had a straight shot at the QB unless the rusher beat his blocker right off the bat.

 

[superpunk]

My point was that the ends that have been successful overall in Belicheck's system don't necessarily transition from run to pass any better than our ends. Their "success" may be the result of being able to play 1-gap and 2-gap. We would have to look at their success only while playing 2-gap. Some people think that the Belicheck system = the Parcells system. That is completely untrue. They're very different sytems, so you can't just compare ends that easily. That's why it's relevant.

Your point is a tangent.

Point about our ends: They do not transition from playing run to pass well.

Theo's point: Who does? And don't say Bellichick's players, because he runs less two gap scheme.

See the disconnect yet? All players have to transition from playing run to pass. The gap assignment was not in Alexander's original observation, you set it up in some fallacy. ALL players must transition at some point in every game from playing the run on a run call to pass, and vice versa. Our ends do it poorly. Leave your tangents at the door.

 

[theogt]

Your point is a tangent.

Point about our ends: They do not transition from playing run to pass well.

Theo's point: Who does? And don't say Bellichick's players, because he runs less two gap scheme.

See the disconnect yet? All players have to transition from playing run to pass. The gap assignment was not in Alexander's original observation, you set it up in some fallacy. ALL players must transition at some point in every game from playing the run on a run call to pass, and vice versa. Our ends do it poorly. Leave your tangents at the door.

In what context did our players have to transition from playing run to pass? In what context do other players have to transition from playing run to pass?

The split second you give O-line in a 2-gap system allows them to set up and be ready for the pass-rush. They have a huge advantage over the D-line as compared to a 1-gap system. The more a player is forced to play 2-gap the worse he is going to appear at transitioning from run to pass. Other players may appear better at the transition, but that may be the result of playing more 1-gap vs. 2-gap.

How can you not see how relevant this is?

 

[superpunk]

In what context did our players have to transition from playing run to pass? In what context do other players have to transition from playing run to pass?

The split second you give O-line in a 2-gap system allows them to set up and be ready for the pass-rush. They have a huge advantage over the D-line as compared to a 1-gap system. The more a player is forced to play 2-gap the worse he is going to appear at transitioning from run to pass. Other players may appear better at the transition, but they may be the result of playing more 1-gap vs. 2-gap.

How can you not see how relevant this is?

You're setting up a litany of strawman arguments to attempt (and fail) to make a point. Not interested....