(Video) Pat Watkins no PI call on Calvin Johnson

[Doomsday101]

I thought it would be called because it was close and looked like PI, whenever you see a DB and WR collide it almost always looks like PI on the DB. What I meant to say was, on replay I didn't think it was PI. If I was a Lion's fan I would have wanted it called also... that's the nature of being a fan. There has been a lot of games this year where I felt the close calls have gone against more often then not, I'm glad this time it didn't.

Now the Roy play, I think he may have gotten away with a little something. It wasn't big but, IMO he was closer to PI then Watkins was. Watkins just made a great play and lucky the refs saw it as such, sometimes Refs get a little flag happy (for any game).

I understand the nature of being a fan and even though I felt it was a PI I was also glad that the flag did not get thrown. What I don't care for is how quick people are to accuse the refs of cheating or having a bias and claiming games are fixed because the call did not go the way they saw it or if the refs just flat out got the call wrong or missed it.

 

[03EBZ06]

Watkins shoulder bumped Johnson's shoulder while Watkins was trying to intercept the ball from what I saw. It wasn't as blant as announcers were trying to make it out to be.

 

[AbeBeta]

As I saw that play, Watkins simply got to the spot where the route was going before Johnson did - really, the rule is stated and called, it is all about making a play for the ball. Watkins was clearly after the ball and in a good position to get it. No PI.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Can somone do me a favor and tell me if the below video of the Watkins play is better quality than the one in the original post? They block Youtube at work, so I am unable to check for myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxQfZi5rw6Y

I tried using some of the techniques in this article to get better video quality on Youtube.

 

[adamknite]

I understand the nature of being a fan and even though I felt it was a PI I was also glad that the flag did not get thrown. What I don't care for is how quick people are to accuse the refs of cheating or having a bias and claiming games are fixed because the call did not go the way they saw it or if the refs just flat out got the call wrong or missed it.

It seems to be happening more ever since the Patriots got caught cheating and the NFL swept it under the rug, and the NBA official getting caught trying to fix/ifluence games. When things like that are going on it must be hard for fans to see something fishy and naturally wonder if there was something going on behind the scenes.

I'm not agreeing with that mentallity just trying to put a theory out there.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Really, he didn't even "go through" Johnson. He hit his arms, but he only hit his arms reaching for the ball, which is completely legal. That was a great play by Watkins.

Thanks for that. Understood.

The key is the playing of the ball. Because our defenders rarely play the ball or even look back on the bombs, we don't see this rule come into effect much. If the defender is making a play on the ball or at least looking back, the refs typically allow a LOT of contact they would not allow if you're facing the receiver.

I know what you mean... it ALWAYS drove me nuts that our defenders didnt look back for the ball.... it seemed that EVERY TIME we played a Randy Moss team and he was thrown the ball deep(surrounded by 3 of our defenders) if just one of our DB's looked back... they usually had a chance to ATLEAST deflect the pass.

I am glad that they are looking for the ball. It gives the BIG PLAY a fighting chance to be a NEGATIVE.

 

[Rampage]

Can somone do me a favor and tell me if the below video of the Watkins play is better quality than the one in the original post? They block Youtube at work, so I am unable to check for myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxQfZi5rw6Y

I tried using some of the techniques in this article to get better video quality on Youtube.

it's a little better. hey mick you got the vid of the no call PI that shoulda been on roy in the endzone?

 

[Oh_Canada]

That's fine I saw it the other way. I'm glad we did not get the flag but I was suprised that it was not thrown. And before you post it yes I know the rules of the game. Like Aikman I saw it as PI yet my fellow Cowboy fans saw it as a great no-call. I got it!!!

I am not saying you don't know the rules....but none of us know them all and sometimes that includes referees. I do think eight out of ten times that play would have drawn a flag, but not because it was, but rather refs seem to want to call any kind of contact against defensive backs which to me, is a misinterpretation of the rules as they were written.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

it's a little better. hey mick you got the vid of the no call PI that shoulda been on roy in the endzone?

Thanks

I posted the Roy video last night, below is the thread:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105961

 

[theogt]

it's a little better. hey mick you got the vid of the no call PI that shoulda been on roy in the endzone?

Should have been? Why should it have been called? Do you not understand the phrase "making a play on the ball?"

 

[Doomsday101]

I am not saying you don't know the rules....but none of us know them all and sometimes that includes referees. I do think eight out of ten times that play would have drawn a flag, but not because it was, but rather refs seem to want to call any kind of contact against defensive backs which to me, is a misinterpretation of the rules as they were written.

I will say that some crews will allow more contact than others, in other words allowing the players to play and I have never had an issue with that as long as they are calling it both ways. In this game I did feel that there were some close and yes questionable calls that went our way but no I did not feel as the Refs were being bias just as I don't think the refs are bias against us when these same types of close calls have gone against us.

 

[Rampage]

Should have been? Why should it have been called? Do you not understand the phrase "making a play on the ball?"

hey was grabbing the wr back arm before the ball got there. i love how you guys spin everything to make it seem our star player can do no wrong. you lost all credibility with me after you said in another thread "i though the secondary stepped up in this game"

 

[theogt]

hey was grabbing the wr back arm before the ball got there. i love how you guys spin everything to make it seem our star player can do no wrong. you lost all credibility with me after you said in another thread "i though the secondary stepped up in this game"

He didn't grab is arm at all. And the secondary stepped up on those last few drives when they needed to score to put the game away. The defense stopped them and got the ball to the offense.

 

[AmishCowboy]

It very well could have been called. Watkins got there before the ball and ran into the WR. I'm glad it was not called but had they threw the flag I don't think I could have argued with the call.

After watching the Clip i'm assuming the flag wasn't thrown because the Ref thought he was making a play on the ball the whole way, however it could have gone either way.

 

[Rampage]

He didn't grab is arm at all. And the secondary stepped up on those last few drives when they needed to score to put the game away. The defense stopped them and got the ball to the offense.

Originally Posted by theogt
He never pulled down on his back arm. It looks like he did form the angle facing toward the endzone, but from the angle facing from the side of the endzone you can see that he did not.

In the view from behind the right cornor of the endzone between second 29 through 31 of the clip you can clearly see Roy pulling on the receivers arm. this was nyc response to you being blind

 

[theogt]

Originally Posted by theogt
He never pulled down on his back arm. It looks like he did form the angle facing toward the endzone, but from the angle facing from the side of the endzone you can see that he did not.

In the view from behind the right cornor of the endzone between second 29 through 31 of the clip you can clearly see Roy pulling on the receivers arm. this was nyc response to you being blind

That's great. Too bad visual evidence shows otherwise.

 

[Rampage]

That's great. Too bad visual evidence shows otherwise.

you can clearly see roy grab the recievers arm. get some glasses man

 

[deepBLUE]

watkins had as much right to the ball as the receiver......it should have been a pick (went right through watkins arms). they didn't throw a flag because watkins was going for the ball: it looked like a good play to me.....

 

[lurkercowboy]

On the Watkins play, they never showed a good replay angle. Rather, they showed reaction shots from Martz and Kitna (whose comments drew a verbal warning from the ref). Watkins was playing the ball and bumped the WR but the officials were right there and decided not to throw the flag. No PI.

Just looking back at the ball will make a big difference in the eyes of the officials. This is a lesson that Dallas DBs could not grasp for years. Remember all those PI calls when Zimmer was the defensive coach?

 

[Idgit]

This was a really good non-call by the officials. Nine times out of ten this play gets flagged, and I'd be sitting at home complaining about it. But that was a tough call to get right at full speed.

I'd be complaining more about Gurode's fumble recovery if I were Detroit.