(Video) Pat Watkins no PI call on Calvin Johnson

[Bob Sacamano]

I never said that you can say or believe whatever you choose but after a while it seems that some can't watch a game without their own personal bias. People love to cast stones at the refs and make accusations of unfairness yet when the shoe is on the other foot they play if off as it was alright or it was a good call. I doubt many Lion fans feel that way I'm sure they are talking about how the refs were bias towards the Cowboys and how they got hosed of course no one here is going to see that point of view. I don't think the refs were bias towards us but I think we had a few close calls that went our way.

this thread isn't about personal biases, it's about whether Watkins pass-interfered

he didn't

 

[Bob Sacamano]

he didnt raise it as a question...he said Owens pushed off and knocked him down, even though Owens was nowhere near him

if he didnt see it, he shouldnt have said anything...instead he made himself look stupid, and continued to do it even while they were showing the replay

David

Is there some part of "He should have phrased it as a question" that I'm not making perfectly clear?

I'm sorry to interject, but this is one of the stupidest arguments I have ever seen

but carry on

 

[03EBZ06]

Both offensive and defensive players have rights to the ball and when they both are trying to get to the ball, incidental contact is allowed.

I've seen that video about 20 times not and Watkins did not go through Johnson as some stated, at worst, shoulders made contact while Watkins was trying to catch the ball.

I'm sure NFL will give ruling on this incident very soon so we'll see what their ruling is.

 

[Doomsday101]

this thread isn't about personal biases, it's about whether Watkins pass-interfered

he didn't

I know what it is about and in my view and other view yes Watkins did. Sorry I agree with Aikman that it was PI if you feel otherwise great. As for the bias comments it is because of the constant whinning many around here do when it comes to the refs always blaming them when thing don't go the way you want them to so all of a sudden the fix is in and how everyone hates the Cowboys or loves the Pats.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I know what it is about and in my view and other view yes Watkins did. Sorry I agree with Aikman that it was PI if you feel otherwise great. As for the bias comments it is because of the constant whinning many around here do when it comes to the refs always blaming them when thing don't go the way you want them to so all of a sudden the fix is in and how everyone hates the Cowboys or loves the Pats.

whining is not a substitute for being right, all fans whine, doesn't mean that they are whining legitimately all the time, note key phrase: all the time, because sometimes the whining is legitimate, but not in this instance IMO, I'd wait to hear Mike Perriaria's(SP) explanation on NFLN before siding w/ Aikman and declaring yourself the victor

 

[Oh_Canada]

Just about any slant that is intercepted.

Pretty much yeah.

 

[Doomsday101]

whining is not a substitute for being right, all fans whine, doesn't mean that they are whining legitimately all the time, note key phrase: all the time, because sometimes the whining is legitimate, but not in this instance IMO, I'd wait to hear Mike Perriaria's(SP) explanation on NFLN before siding w/ Aikman and declaring yourself the victor

But are you not sitting there declaring yourself as the victor, didn't you just say it was not PI? I saw the play as well and feel that it was at PI I also feel like Williams as well got away with a PI that could have been called. I am not saying the refs handed us anything I think they made a judgment call on 2 close plays that went our way I have also seen these same judgment calls go against us and hear the gripping about how we got cheated just as many Lion fans probably feel they got cheated. The main thing I'm trying and failing to get across is the refs do the best job they can and do miss these calls from time to time regardless of the games or teams they are working.

 

[BrassCowboy]

That call wasn't as bad as the earlier no-call PIs and the phantom fumble recovery early in the game. Never seen a fumble recovery called like that.

that 'phantom fumble recovery' call was absolutely correct and was actually suprised the refs didn't screw it up and call it Detroit's ball. The rule basically says that a player with possession of the ball and is down on ground and touched by opponent maintains possession.

What about that call surprises you? It was clear Gurode had possession of it on the ground and with opponents on top of him makes him down, so what if guys grab it out of his hand after that.

The problem with all the other times is that so many guys climb on top of the pile that the ref cannot make that judgement without pulling guys out of the pile looking to see who has the ball. Well, as long as the ref does not see the ball changing hands under that pile, then free for everyone until then.

The good thing about yesterday is it was plainly visible and it would of been challenged and overturned had it not been ruled correctly as it was.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Both offensive and defensive players have rights to the ball and when they both are trying to get to the ball, incidental contact is allowed.

I've seen that video about 20 times not and Watkins did not go through Johnson as some stated, at worst, shoulders made contact while Watkins was trying to catch the ball.

I'm sure NFL will give ruling on this incident very soon so we'll see what their ruling is.

I agree with your opinion on this. He was definatly playing the ball, I will understand if Aikman just made a call based on it being live and him seeing from a booth, but if after replay he still says that, then he is just blind and biased against the Cowboys as he sometimes appear to be.

Someone stated the official rule, and according to that the refs made a good no-call that time. Watkins did not impede Johnson's ability to catch the ball, contact was incidental while Watkins was going after the ball, and Watkins did not attempt to catch it over Johnson's back. Seems easy to me now, wasn't sure until I watched the replay quite a few times though.

 

[dalboy]

I think that could go both ways but I'm happy he went no call than pass inf on watkins

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But are you not sitting there declaring yourself as the victor, didn't you just say it was not PI?

touche, but I'm not the one sitting on one extreme side of the fence and calling it bias

I saw the play as well and feel that it was at PI I also feel like Williams as well got away with a PI that could have been called. I am not saying the refs handed us anything I think they made a judgment call on 2 close plays that went our way I have also seen these same judgment calls go against us and hear the gripping about how we got cheated just as many Lion fans probably feel they got cheated. The main thing I'm trying and failing to get across is the refs do the best job they can and do miss these calls from time to time regardless of the games or teams they are working.

that's fine, what I don't get is the Lion fan's *****ing about the no-call being some kind of justification that the refs missed one, again, not all whining is legitimate

this is all I have to say on the matter:

not all contact is pass interference

Watkins was playing the ball, not the receiver

edit: btw, who would be more likely to look at this from a clear and level-headed perspective? someone who is beside themself? or a calm, and collected individual?

 

[Doomsday101]

touche, but I'm not the one sitting on one extreme side of the fence and calling it bias



that's fine, what I don't get is the LIon's *****ing about the no-call being some kind of justification that the refs missed one, again, not all whining is legitimate

this is all I have to say on the matter:

not all contact is pass interference

Watkins was playing the ball, not the receiver

Had the shoe been on the other foot I can promise you many would be complaining just as the Lion fans are today. I have seen the close calls go aginst us and saw the reaction the next day in this case the close calls go in our favor. I think the refs made a judgement call and that is the way it is I don't think they make these calls to help any team or hurt a team they just do the best job they can.

 

[BlueStar II]

It very well could have been called. Watkins got there before the ball and ran into the WR. I'm glad it was not called but had they threw the flag I don't think I could have argued with the call.

I agree, I couldn't have argued the call if they had called PI on him, I'm glad they didn't though.

 

[starfrombirth]

He ran into the WR and was fortunate not to be called. I imagine 90% around here felt it was fine I doubt 90% would think that had the shoe been on the other foot.

Are you secretly a troll? If you actually watched the play, Watkins was there first and the receiver ran into him. The defense has a right to the ball as well. I bet you thought it wasn't pass interference when the defender ran up Austins back last week, huh? Troll. :bang2:

 

[Doomsday101]

Are you secretly a troll? If you actually watched the play, Watkins was there first and the receiver ran into him. The defense has a right to the ball as well. I bet you thought it wasn't pass interference when the defender ran up Austins back last week, huh? Troll. :bang2:

No not a troll I call them the way I see them and evidently others saw the same as I did. As for the Austin interference yes I thought that was a close call but expected the flag to be thrown and fortunately it was. I watch the game and make up my mind and try to be unbiased in doing so. I have seen the replay and maintain that Watkins went through the WR from the safety position into a WR who was running a crossing rout. If you saw it different they great but the simple fact that not all of us saw it the same way at least proves it was a close call.

 

[starfrombirth]

No not a troll I call them the way I see them and evidently others saw the same as I did. As for the Austin interference yes I thought that was a close call but expected the flag to be thrown and fortunately it was. I watch the game and make up my mind and try to be unbiased in doing so. I have seen the replay and maintain that Watkins went through the WR from the safety position into a WR who was running a crossing rout. If you saw it different they great but the simple fact that not all of us saw it the same way at least proves it was a close call.

I apologize for calling you a troll dooms but when I see the video I can't believe how anyone could NOT see Watkins was there first and playing the ball. Sometimes I get defensive about my team Look forward to more of your great posts (is it a coincidence that I happen to agree with them?).

 

[theogt]

Seriously man, are you that blind? WATKINS IS BEHIND JOHNSON.

Go stop and start it from the 0:33 through the 0:36 mark on the first link. You see Johnson stumble as Watkins comes THROUGH HIS RIGHT SHOULDER FROM BEHIND, AS the ball gets there.

AGAIN, explain to me how this magic ball, gets to a player FURTHER away from the point it was released, w/o GOING THROUGH a player who's running on his right hip, obviously closer to that release point?

He does not go through Johnson. Johnson is further away from the ball.

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I'm not blind. You just don't understand the rule.

 

[kramskoi]

He was definitely going for the ball and seeing it live at the stadium, my first thought was offensive pass interference. They only showed one replay on the jumbotron and it still looked like either offensive PI or a no call situation. In any event, P-Wat was definitely going after the ball.

just call it karma for the "questionable" PI against Watkins on Moss in the NE game...it all comes out in the wash.

 

[scottsp]

I would disagree with Aikman that the first non-flagged PI was a penalty. I didn't feel Roy contacted the tight end in the endzone illegally. This play involving CJ & Watkins, for me, was a different story. I feel the laundry should have come out.

 

[kmd24]

If you saw it different they great but the simple fact that not all of us saw it the same way at least proves it was a close call.

I would argue that since the side judge*, field judge*, and back judge* can all be clearly seen watching the play (at least on the HD feed), there is more than sufficient proof that it wasn't pass interference. If one official misses the call, OK, but three? You'd be getting into conspiracy theory territory.

*each of these officials has the responsibility for calling pass interference.