Video Proof... Glenn dropped pass. NO SAFETY

[eduncan22]

In this case, it doesn't matter whether the ball touches the ground. If he has control of the ball before it touches the ground and doesn't lose control of it when it touches the ground, it's a completed pass.

If he has control of the football, then why does he drop it on the ground?

He only has one hand on the football when it's on the ground.

He then picks up the football and fumbles.

Incomplete pass.

No safety.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

 

[Kevinicus]

I wouldn't call pressing down on the ball on the turf as control. He didn't have a hold on the ball when it was on the ground, that's not control.

 

[theogt]

Are you going to answer my question eduncan?

 

[eduncan22]

So he has both palms on the ball and both feet on the ground, correct? When he has both palms on the ball, is the ball moving or is it secured between his palms?

The ball moves when it hits the ground.

IF the ball had not hit the ground, it would have been a catch.

Its in the NFL rule book.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

 

[smarta5150]

The ball moves when it hits the ground.

IF the ball had not hit the ground, it would have been a catch.

Its in the NFL rule book.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

Let it go... its like a dog chasing his or her tail.

For the record I am 100% with you.

I beleive it was bobbled until he gains control when it hits the ground, thus, incomplete.

But like I said, a dog chasing its own tail.

Move on.

 

[theogt]

The ball moves when it hits the ground.

IF the ball had not hit the ground, it would have been a catch.

Its in the NFL rule book.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

You didn't answer the question. When he has both palms on the ball (and his feet are on the ground), is the ball moving or is it secured between his palms?

 

[smarta5150]

I am now jealous my thread didnt get all this attention when I 1st mentioned it (well, maybe it did)

Seriously though... its like dogs chasing their own tails

 

[percyhoward]

The ball moves when it hits the ground.

IF the ball had not hit the ground, it would have been a catch.

Its in the NFL rule book.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

The pass didn't hit the ground. The ball did.

The pass hit Glenn in the hands and he caught it.

The only reason the ball hit the ground is because Glenn slipped, and used that hand (the one with the ball) to keep from falling. The only reason the ball moved is because Glenn turned it while he was turning to head back toward the sideline.

Look at the anlge from the far end zone. The front angle. If the ball doesn't move in Glenn's hand (meaning he's lost control), it has to be a catch.

That rule about the ball not being able to hit the ground was changed on the Bert Emmanuel play (TB vs Rams) in the '99 playoffs. He made a great catch, had control, but it was ruled incomplete because the ball touched the ground.

The rule was changed the next year, and it's been the same ever since. Like I said, that's why on a diving catch, the ball can slide against the ground, and it's still a catch. As long as it doesn't slide in the receiver's hand.

The ball didn't move around in Glenn's hand, so it doesn't matter that he moved it against the ground.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Die Thread!! Die!!

 

[percyhoward]

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If he has control of the football, then why does he drop it on the ground?

The ball is touching the ground. But you can touch the ground with the ball without dropping the ball.

This is the pic you keep posting as evidence of a drop. Notice Glenn's left knee on the ground. If you drop something and it falls to your right, you don't go down on your left knee to pick it up. So why is his left knee down?

Glenn's left knee is down because his left foot slipped out from under him. That's the only reason the ball is touching the ground. He put that hand down to keep from falling on his face.

Go back a few frames earlier than this picture, and watch his left foot slip as he tries to take off toward the middle. Or better yet, look at the angle from the other end zone. Tell me he doesn't slip.

 

[Doomsday101]

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The ball is touching the ground. But you can touch the ground with the ball without dropping the ball.

This is the pic you keep posting as evidence of a drop. Notice Glenn's left knee on the ground. If you drop something and it falls to your right, you don't go down on your left knee to pick it up. So why is his left knee down?

Glenn's left knee is down because his left foot slipped out from under him. That's the only reason the ball is touching the ground. He put that hand down to keep from falling on his face.

Go back a few frames earlier than this picture, and watch his left foot slip as he tries to take off toward the middle. Or better yet, look at the angle from the other end zone. Tell me he doesn't slip.

They are going by a picture that took place after the ball has already been caught. When Glenn slipped he slipped because he was trying to run at that point the ball does touch the ground but the catch as already been made.

 

[aikemirv]

They are going by a picture that took place after the ball has already been caught. When Glenn slipped he slipped because he was trying to run at that point the ball does touch the ground but the catch as already been made.

I try to stay out of these discussions to much anymore, because no matter how obvious a play looks to someone, it is somehow obvious in the reverse to someone else.

It is a wonder that there is ever a conviction by a jury in a court of law these days!

 

[Doomsday101]

I try to stay out of these discussions to much anymore, because no matter how obvious a play looks to someone, it is somehow obvious in the reverse to someone else.

It is a wonder that there is ever a conviction by a jury in a court of law these days!

Good point. All I can say is Dallas challenged on the play and won the challenge which was no TD but a safety.

 

[Rampage]

They are going by a picture that took place after the ball has already been caught. When Glenn slipped he slipped because he was trying to run at that point the ball does touch the ground but the catch as already been made.

it was a catch and fumble. thanks terry, end of thread

 

[aikemirv]

Good point. All I can say is Dallas challenged on the play and won the challenge which was no TD but a safety.

 

[Doomsday101]

it was a catch and fumble. thanks terry, end of thread

Yep. I like Glenn and not trying to blame him as the reason we lost. I hope Glenn is back next season but looking at the play in a non-bias way it was a catch and a fumble. Had that same play happened to the Seahawks I would have expected the same call, catch/fumble and safety.

 

[eduncan22]

Yep. I like Glenn and not trying to blame him as the reason we lost. I hope Glenn is back next season but looking at the play in a non-bias way it was a catch and a fumble. Had that same play happened to the Seahawks I would have expected the same call, catch/fumble and safety.

Sorry, but according to the NFL rule book, it's not a catch.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

Two steps + ball on the ground = No catch.

Its a rather simple rule.

 

[AdamJT13]

Sorry, but according to the NFL rule book, it's not a catch.

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

Two steps + ball on the ground = No catch.

Its a rather simple rule.

If the ball hits the ground after it already has been caught, it's not incomplete.

 

[eduncan22]

If the ball hits the ground after it already has been caught, it's not incomplete.

Between the 2nd step and the ball hitting the ground, when did Glenn actually control this football?

Did he tuck the ball away? Did he cradle the ball, or extend it?

 

[theogt]

Between the 2nd step and the ball hitting the ground, when did Glenn actually control this football?

Did he tuck the ball away? Did he cradle the ball, or extend it?

Did he have both palms on the ball?

At that time did he have both feet touching the ground?

At that time did the ball move between his palms?

An answer of yes to all three indicates it's a catch. You've already agreed to the first and second questions. Can you not see that the third one happens?