Video Proof... Glenn dropped pass. NO SAFETY

[iceberg]

Same reason we didn't challenge the Julius Jones safety against the Skins. Parcells can't see the whole field from the sidelines, whoever gives him the word to challenge screwed up alot this year.

oh yea, glenn had no time at all to tell parcells to challenge it. as important as it was i'm sure parcells asked glenn - should i?

but he must be wrong and everyone else right.

 

[percyhoward]

Same reason we didn't challenge the Julius Jones safety against the Skins. Parcells can't see the whole field from the sidelines, whoever gives him the word to challenge screwed up alot this year.

iceberg already answered it.

All Glenn had to do was tell Parcells he didn't catch it.

 

[Kilyin]

I don't think it matters what the players say.

If whoever is in the booth doesn't give the go ahead, then they don't challenge the play. I've heard that from HCs around the league more than once.

Maybe they thought they had a better chance of challenging the TD instead of the completion/fumble. Can you challenge a completion? Maybe they just missed the boat and didn't see that it was incomplete. Who knows. Speculation is fun.

 

[percyhoward]

Can you challenge a completion?

:bang2:

 

[CowboyJeff]

the ref in the booth probably thought Glenn had control and made a football move with the ball before it touched the ground, thus making it a catch.

 

[iceberg]

I don't think it matters what the players say.

If whoever is in the booth doesn't give the go ahead, then they don't challenge the play. I've heard that from HCs around the league more than once.

Maybe they thought they had a better chance of challenging the TD instead of the completion/fumble. Can you challenge a completion? Maybe they just missed the boat and didn't see that it was incomplete. Who knows. Speculation is fun.

if the player is I DIDN'T FUMBLE!!! and shouting that, i'd ignore them. if the player says "it was a fumble" there's inhernatly more credibility to that and you take them at their word.

 

[Kilyin]

I'm sorry if it was a dumb question, I admittedly don't know all the rules regarding challenges. But according to Wikipedia...

The NFL replay system currently only covers the following situations:

• Scoring plays
• Pass complete/incomplete/intercepted
• Runner/receiver out of bounds
• Recovery of a loose ball in or out of bounds
• Touching of a forward pass, either by an ineligible receiver or a defensive player
• Quarterback pass or fumble
• Illegal forward pass
• Forward or backward pass
• Runner ruled not down by contact
• Forward progress in regard to a first down
• Touching of a kick
• Other plays involving placement of the football

Note that the spot of the ball may be challenged in certain cases.

Didn't look like he made a football move before letting the ball hit the ground to me.

 

[Viper]

I didn’t think he caught the ball when it happened; still don’t think he caught it. The video from the endzone shows it in a clearer view. Glenn looks like he bobbles the ball. He than chases the ball to the ground, he didn’t slip. His arms were extended as he follows the ball to the ground. The ball proceeds to touch the turf, while Glenn has only one hand on it. It wasn’t a catch in my mind.

With that said, we lost, the game is over. The Cowboys had their chances and didn’t capitalize on their opportunities. Even after that particular play, the game was ours to win. Yet we still failed. The last month has exposed this team; it isn’t a very good one.

 

[Westcoasthabsfan]

I agree the game wasnt lost because of that.....

 

[vicjagger]

Before I saw these replays, I thought it may have been an incompletion. The second video looks like a catch and 2 fumbles.

However you look at it, it was a crappy play by Glenn.

 

[Hostile]

Man, this thread will never die.

 

[percyhoward]

I didn’t think he caught the ball when it happened; still don’t think he caught it. The video from the endzone shows it in a clearer view. Glenn looks like he bobbles the ball. He than chases the ball to the ground, he didn’t slip. His arms were extended as he follows the ball to the ground. The ball proceeds to touch the turf, while Glenn has only one hand on it. It wasn’t a catch in my mind.

I think that's an honest view of what happened, but I honestly saw something completely different.

There are two end zone views, and the clearest is from the front (or far EZ). As he made the catch, Glenn was about to sprint toward the middle when his back foot slipped out from under him, causing him to put down the ball so he could steady himself. Once he got his balance, he shifted his weight to turn the play toward the sideline. (That's when he turned the ball on the ground.) Next, he switched the ball to the outside hand. The correct move, but in this case a fatal error, because the defender's right hand happened to be headed directly to that spot.

Mike Pereira, the head of officiating, shed a lot of light on it on NFLN. For example, a lot of people in this thread (I was one of them) insisted it was a catch before the ball even touched the ground. Wrong.

It wasn't a catch until he maintained control after the ball hitting the ground. So it wasn't a catch and two fumbles, with the first fumble being recovered by Glenn himself.

BUT...anybody who said the ball cannot touch the ground, or move once it hits the ground, they were also wrong. The receiver only needs to maintain control of the ball. He can put it down, and even pivot on it, as Glenn did.

The ball moving against the turf is irrelevant. That's why, on a diving catch, the ball can slide against the ground as long as it doesn't move in the receiver's hands.

 

[eduncan22]

You have to maintain control of the football throughout the catch.

Glenn does not.

The ball hits the ground.

It should have been ruled an incomplete pass.

This is really very simple.

 

[theogt]

You have to maintain control of the football throughout the catch.

Glenn does not.

The ball hits the ground.

It should have been ruled an incomplete pass.

This is really very simple.

Can you define "throughout the catch?"

 

[eduncan22]

Can you define "throughout the catch?"

This is about as simple as it gets.

from the NFL rulebook....

7. Any forward pass becomes incomplete and ball is dead if:
(a) Pass hits the ground or goes out of bounds.

(b) Pass hits the goal post or the crossbar of either team


8. A forward pass is complete when a receiver clearly possesses the pass and touches the ground with both feet inbounds while in possession of the ball. If a receiver would have landed inbounds with both feet but is carried or pushed out of bounds while maintaining possession of the ball, pass is complete at the out-of-bounds spot


http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/GLENNDROPSBALLV.jpg

Incomplete pass.

 

[superpunk]

The good thing about the new format is that threads don't get moved out of the main zone, and that old discussions can continue on, without getting moved to the opinion zone to die.

Of course, the bad thing about the new format is that threads don't get moved out of the main zone, and that old discussions can continue on, without getting moved to the opinion zone to die.

 

[theogt]

eduncan, is there any point before that picture in which Glenn has both feet on the ground has both palms on the ball?

 

[eduncan22]

eduncan, is there any point before that picture in which Glenn has both feet on the ground has both palms on the ball?

Yes...shortly before the ball is dropped on the ground.

He never has control of the football.

 

[theogt]

Yes...shortly before the ball is dropped on the ground.

He never has control of the football.

So he has both palms on the ball and both feet on the ground, correct? When he has both palms on the ball, is the ball moving or is it secured between his palms?

 

[AdamJT13]

In this case, it doesn't matter whether the ball touches the ground. If he has control of the ball before it touches the ground and doesn't lose control of it when it touches the ground, it's a completed pass.