Video Proof... Glenn dropped pass. NO SAFETY

[percyhoward]

But there also has to be a mechanism I would think where even if the ref was only asked to look at one aspect (because thats all thats allowed), if the other aspect of the same continuation was rather clear also while he was at it, he would be compelled to rule on it.

I think the reasoning is they don't want to slow down the game, and they also want to go with the call on the field unless it's challenged, or unless there is conclusive evidence to overturn.

Except, of course, when they reviewed Witten's first down, which slowed down the game, could not be challenged, and was not conclusive, but was overturned anyway.

 

[jay cee]

It doesnt matter.

If it doesnt get punched out and he jukes the guy taking it 98 to the house.. but then it gets called back for being incomplete.. we'd just be arguing that it WAS a catch.

I thought it was a catch and fumble. But I'm certain that if he had taken it to the house, it would have been reviewed and overturned.

 

[jimmy40]

and if Glenn jukes the defender and runs for a TD you start a thread saying the TD shouldn't have counted?

 

[Biggems]

regardless of whether it was a catch or not, can't a team only review one item of a play? I thought that Dallas reviewed whether it was a safety, so the refs couldnt look at the catch. I could be completly wrong, I always was under the impression that that was the rule though.

i dont know what bill actually said to the refs....but the refs explanation was that Dallas was challenging the call on the field of whether it was a TD or not.....based on that explanation by the ref....they should have not only looked at the safety aspect of it, but also the catch part of it.....i am not sure if they did or not.....

from what I have seen it wasn't a catch....however, I am going to assume that the ref just looked at the fumble part of the play and how it was recovered.....and the refs made the right call....safety and not TD, based on what they reviewed. So I cannot complain about the replay crew...they did a solid job.

But I will say this....the way the Seahawks got hosed by the refs in the Super Bowl last year with a lot of obvious calls going the Steelers way.....well the refs did the same thing Saturday, except in the Seahawks favor....

Even with the horrible one-sided officiating, Dallas was 1:07 away from having a 23-21 lead and a chance to move to the second round....I was very impressed with how hard Dallas played....I am not impressed with the horrible offensive gameplan....

But our season is over and now I can look forward to the FA and Draft periods

 

[jimmy40]

Ball was slick. Glenn didn't fumble. TNew didn't hook that guy's arm.

Loser talk.

and we've got 8 months of it to go.:scream:

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Ball was slick. Glenn didn't fumble. TNew didn't hook that guy's arm.

Loser talk.

Well, unfortunately, it is impossible for us to talk any other way. We sure in the heck weren't winners out there. The Cowboys lost to themselves and the refs. The Seahawks presence was incidental to it all.

 

[eduncan22]

Here's a pic of the drop.

He only has one hand on the ball.

Clearly a drop.

http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/GLENNDROPSBALLV.jpg

 

[Beast_from_East]

Here's a pic of the drop.

He only has one hand on the ball.

Clearly a drop.

http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/GLENNDROPSBALLV.jpg

Why was this never reviewed???

 

[theogt]

He had control of the ball. Both feet touched. He made a football move. Then the ball touched the ground. During the entire time the ball touched the ground he had control of it.

That's a catch.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Wow. That's an excellent shot right there. It was a bad call. Incomplete pass. Glenn should have told BP to challenge the catch, not the TD, but it all happened so fast. We can't change it now, but I don't know why people get so upset when people discuss controversial calls. Isn't that what a forum is for among other things?

 

[Displaced Cowboy]

it was a catch

 

[eduncan22]

He had control of the ball. Both feet touched. He made a football move. Then the ball touched the ground. During the entire time the ball touched the ground he had control of it.

That's a catch.

Sorry. That's not the rule.

Anytime the ball makes contact with the ground, and moves, its not a catch.

Two feet, one knee, or not.

 

[bbgun]

If I'm not mistaken, Bill asked them to review whether it was a safety or a td, not whether or not it was a catch.

 

[chinch]

the head of officials was on WFAN today with francessa. you can tell he got his story straight with the NFL as he kept delaying (3 then 4pm)

he said they reviewed the entire play, regardless of what bill told them (challenged safety)

said terry had a posession as he caught it, it touched the ground then he carried it some more.

a catch (for what it's worth). after that they reviewd the "is it a td or safety" part.

i didnt hear the whole interview after that but he clearly dismissed it as "it was a catch", might be on wfan.com later. they got into the giants penalties and calls. not sure if they discussed witten at the 1

 

[theogt]

Sorry. That's not the rule.

Anytime the ball makes contact with the ground, and moves, its not a catch.

Two feet, one knee, or not.

Sorry, you're not getting it.

It is a catch before the ball ever touched the ground.

 

[bbgun]

Sorry, you're not getting it.

It is a catch before the ball ever touched the ground.

Correct. That photo is very misleading. He used the ball to steady himself when he stumbled after making the catch.

 

[percyhoward]

he said they reviewed the entire play, regardless of what bill told them (challenged safety)

That's interesting that they looked at the whole play (if they actually did).

I think some of the confusion here is people not realizing that you can make a catch, then touch the ground with the ball (or even fumble it completely, then recover it) then keep running.

 

[eduncan22]

Correct. That photo is very misleading. He used the ball to steady himself when he stumbled after making the catch.

Example:

WR makes a catch on the sideline,two feet in. Lands out of bounds and the ball hits the ground and moves.

Its an incomplete pass.

Two feet or not.

 

[eduncan22]

Another view of the drop...

http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/GLENNDROPSBALL2.jpg


Incomplete Pass.

 

[theogt]

Example:

WR makes a catch on the sideline,two feet in. Lands out of bounds and the ball hits the ground and moves.

Its an incomplete pass.

Two feet or not.

Example:
WR makes a catch. Runs forward two steps. Trips (untouched). The ball touches the ground. The WR gets up and keeps running.

This is exactly what happened, minus the "run forward two steps" part. The fact that he didn't run forward to steps doesn't change that it was a catch. All the player has to do is make a move common to the game of football. Terry did.

This is what happened:

WR makes a catch. Trips (untouched). The ball touches the ground. The WR gets up and keeps running.

The ball touched the ground after the catch. At the most it was a fumble which was recovered by Glenn.