View on Carroll from camp

[ConstantReboot]

That's a tough standard to hold since every corner gives up plays and sometimes those plays are at crucial moments. I try to look at the body of work, and Carr's was solid last year.

PFF had him ranked 51 out of 112 "qualifying players" last year. While PFF's rankings are certainly not the be all and end all, that seems to be a fairly accurate assessment based on how he played. He was starting-caliber, but a player you're hoping to replace with an upgrade if you can find one.

I'd say Carroll is similar to that. He's a starting-caliber player if he plays like he did in 2015. Maybe what we've got will prove to be an upgrade over that.

Fair enough. I just don't think he warrants enough productivity to return as a starting corner. I know PFF ranked him accordingly. But I don't think Dallas got a good as an investment with him as they wanted to. As I mentioned he just gave up too many plays during crucial moments.

I'm not a fan of Carroll either. I would just have the Cowboys cut bait on these vet corners and let the youngsters play it out. I rather see what they can do. We already know what will get with Carr and Carroll.

 

[Corso]

Fact is Carroll is a better corner playing zone than he is man... Sorta the opposite of Carr and that's why Carr wasn't retained. The Cowboys want to play a better zone defense.

It's no more complicated than that.

Groucho was never this direct, tbh.

 

[erod]

I'm sure if you are trolling just to keep the thread interesting or you're that ignorant. If trolling, then well done.

Philly had the worst corners in the league last year pretty much. They wanted nothing more to do with him.

 

[CrownCowboy]

The bottomline is that if we trot Carroll out there then we get what we deserve.

We all saw how he was in Philadelphia and it wasn't good. I know quality corners don't grow on trees, but if this defense wants to compete and be consistent then we don't need to have the Nolan Carroll's of the world starting, period.

 

[Sydla]

Well... "solid to very good" is sorta average in the NFL, so there is that. I know more than few Miami fans did not want him gone when he left.

Solid to very good is not average.

 

[Sydla]

This explanation for Carroll's poor season in '16 has been given over and over... But some continue to tug on that bone (the 2016 season) and refuse to acknowledge that Carroll was a much better corner in 2014 and 2015 in a more zone-based defense.

Well for one, the Eagles played more zone last year than people realize because of secondary problems.

Two, he was better in 14 and 15 relative to 2016 but that's not a high bar to jump. He was pretty awful last year. He was roughly ranked in the 60-73 range based on his PFF rankings for 14 and 15, meaning even at his best, he was pretty damn average.

It's going to be disappointing if he's a starter for a good portion of this season.

 

[gimmesix]

Fair enough. I just don't think he warrants enough productivity to return as a starting corner. I know PFF ranked him accordingly. But I don't think Dallas got a good as an investment with him as they wanted to. As I mentioned he just gave up too many plays during crucial moments.

I'm not a fan of Carroll either. I would just have the Cowboys cut bait on these vet corners and let the youngsters play it out. I rather see what they can do. We already know what will get with Carr and Carroll.

I'll agree with you on the investment. Dallas expected and should have gotten more from Carr based on what it paid him until they show they aren't going to be hit and miss.

I disagree with you on cutting bait on the vet corners. I believe in contingency plans. Having Carroll gives us a player who has shown he can be a decent starter in case the younger players falter. However, I do believe that if the younger players look better than him than they should be ahead of him on the depth chart. I understand the value of experience, but experience only matters if the players are on the same level. If Brown is better, if Awusie is better, if Lewis is better, then they should be on the field ahead of him. And the same goes with Scandrick if the youngsters are better.

More likely, though, the youngsters are going to flash their ability and then get burned by inexperience. In that case, I'd rather have the experience out there.

 

[xwalker]

Well for one, the Eagles played more zone last year than people realize because of secondary problems.

Two, he was better in 14 and 15 relative to 2016 but that's not a high bar to jump. He was pretty awful last year. He was roughly ranked in the 60-73 range based on his PFF rankings for 14 and 15, meaning even at his best, he was pretty damn average.

It's going to be disappointing if he's a starter for a good portion of this season.

They have many options. If he is bad they'll start someone else. The coaches have no ties to him like they did with Carr, Free, Hayden and other vets that played too much.

 

[kumizi]

BTB is the worst cesspool of a sports fan site I've ever seen.
I would not use them as a source for any non biased information.

 

[Verdict]

No say it is not so....I thought he was the 1st player selected in the draft this year.....
New team, new system....wait and see what happens. I do not expect a Deion type player, but he can't be any worse than what we had either.

Actually he COULD be worse. Much worse. Our secondary wasn't horrible last year, just over priced with limited additional upside.

 

[Sydla]

They have many options. If he is bad they'll start someone else. The coaches have no ties to him like they did with Carr, Free, Hayden and other vets that played too much.

No, the ties aren't strong but Marinelli has had a weird obsession with trying to add this guy for a couple of off seasons.

 

[DogFace]

New England, the model NFL franchise at the moment, would move on from a guy like this and let the younger guys play if the competition was close.

I think we hold on to older adequate guys far too long. When the young guys could be just as adequate and possibly improve.

Heath played better than Church when he was allowed on the field. Brown could've possibly outplayed both Carr and Mo of he had more PT.

 

[Frozen700]

I just do not want him being the next Church / Wilcox.

Get the young guys in there.

That's exactly what he will be.

I don't care what any article has to say. He needs to go

 

[Sydla]

Is Carroll playing tonight? He should be.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was on a team with a bad secondary last year and non-JJT reports out of training camp are that he is playing well. Stop pretending that Will McClay recommends softball league players in free agency.

JJT is notorious for not watching practice. I'm just glad he now has no platform to write from.

 

[gimmesix]

Well for one, the Eagles played more zone last year than people realize because of secondary problems.

Two, he was better in 14 and 15 relative to 2016 but that's not a high bar to jump. He was pretty awful last year. He was roughly ranked in the 60-73 range based on his PFF rankings for 14 and 15, meaning even at his best, he was pretty damn average.

It's going to be disappointing if he's a starter for a good portion of this season.

In 2015, he was ranked 53rd by PFF, while Carr was 51st last year. From what I can tell, Philly fans were not happy with PFF's rating and felt it should have been higher. PFF had Carroll as a "starting" quality corner that's year, and that's what he is and all that he is at his best.

Like Carr, he's a player you can get by with while you look for better to replace him. It's possible Dallas already has players who can do that, but we don't know. Like I've said, I'll be disappointed if we open the season and Brown and Scandrick are not ahead of him on the depth chart.

Scandrick was basically our defensive MVP in 2014 before missing the season in 2015 then not being fully back last year. If he's fully recovered, he's probably our best corner. Brown had some rookie moments last year, but handled being thrust into the starting role far better than you usually can expect from a rookie.

I won't be disappointed if Awusie and Lewis are not ahead of Carroll at the start of the season. I'd love for them to be ready to step in at the start of the season and not make a bunch of rookie mistakes, but that's an unfair expectation.

 

[gimmesix]

Is Carroll playing tonight? He should be.

I would certainly hope so. I could see us hold out Scandrick, but Carroll needs to definitely be given every chance to show whether he's the starting-caliber corner from 2015 or the backup he played like in 2016.

 

[gimmesix]

They have many options. If he is bad they'll start someone else. The coaches have no ties to him like they did with Carr, Free, Hayden and other vets that played too much.

I agree, if he's bad. If he's pretty even to the other options, then Dallas will go with his experience over starting an inexperienced player. And that's how it should be.

 

[Sydla]

In 2015, he was ranked 53rd by PFF, while Carr was 51st last year. From what I can tell, Philly fans were not happy with PFF's rating and felt it should have been higher. PFF had Carroll as a "starting" quality corner that's year, and that's what he is and all that he is at his best.

Like Carr, he's a player you can get by with while you look for better to replace him. It's possible Dallas already has players who can do that, but we don't know. Like I've said, I'll be disappointed if we open the season and Brown and Scandrick are not ahead of him on the depth chart.

Scandrick was basically our defensive MVP in 2014 before missing the season in 2015 then not being fully back last year. If he's fully recovered, he's probably our best corner. Brown had some rookie moments last year, but handled being thrust into the starting role far better than you usually can expect from a rookie.

I won't be disappointed if Awusie and Lewis are not ahead of Carroll at the start of the season. I'd love for them to be ready to step in at the start of the season and not make a bunch of rookie mistakes, but that's an unfair expectation.

So in other words you basically agree he's an average CB at best. Comparing him to Carr makes little sense to me because I never liked Carr and didn't want to resign him.

I just think Carroll was a foolish move, especially if the coaching staff and front office think he's a legit, quality starting CB that can improve our mediocre secondary from 2016.

 

[dogunwo]

who cares about this guy, hes gonna be gone fore 2-6 games to start the season for being a idiot.

2-6 games? There's no way the range is that. That's excessive. To fine someone more than a third of their annual salary for DUI is lunacy.