Vince Young going pro

[DIAF]

Give me the SEC over any of these other conferences any day.

 

[Jimz31]

Like I said, Texas has an amazing team. Not taking anything away from them, they deserve it. The rest of the Big XII stunk.

Iowas St, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas A&M, Baylor, Okie St, Missouri, an over rated Texas Tech, a down Nebraska and a down Oklahoma. That is weak, that's all I'm saying.

OK? What's your point? Does ND play in a top-notch division? Yet you say to look out for them.

Just which division has teams where they are all-top notch teams?

Big 12 - 8 teams with winning records
Atlantic Coast - 7
Big East - 4
Big 10 - 7
Conf. USA - 6
Mid Am. - 7
Mtn. West - 5
Pac-10 - 5
SEC - 6
Sun Belt - 2
West. Athletic - 4
Independents - 2

 

[Maikeru-sama]

OK? What's your point? Does ND play in a top-notch division? Yet you say to look out for them.

Just which division has teams where they are all-top notch teams?

Big 12 - 8 teams with winning records
Atlantic Coast - 7
Big East - 4
Big 10 - 7
Conf. USA - 6
Mid Am. - 7
Mtn. West - 5
Pac-10 - 5
SEC - 6
Sun Belt - 2
West. Athletic - 4
Independents - 2

They have been saying look out for Notre Dame since Lou Holtz left...

 

[Glenn Carano]

Please...

I gurantee you if Mack Brown stops the QB carousel and lets Major Applewhite QB, the Longhorns would have done much more.

You act like 9-10 win Seasons is whack...

I saw a Big 12 team beat supposedly the greatest team ever

I saw a 7-4 OU squad take out the Oregon Smucks...who B'ed and Moan'ed about not being in a BCS Game and was 6th overall in the Country

I saw a Big 12 Team go toe-to-toe with an Alambama team that was #2 in the country on defense and throughout most of the year, had hopes for an undefeated season

I also saw a Big 12 Team beat the Michigan Wolverines...ya know..the School with tons of tradition and has WON more games than any program in D-IA that is not named Notre Dame

GTH out here with that "Big 12 was garbage" crap...what Conference does your team play in anyway.....

This isnt you on this cover is it...because you definately have an agenda ?

- Mike G.

Funny stuff, but the Big XII is crap. Wow! Nebraska beat a Michigan team that had lost 4 games this season. :

Oklahoma beat an overrated Oregon team who didn't beat anybody this year and came from a conference just as weak as the Big XII. :

Actually Michigan has the most D1-A wins in the history of college football, even if you include a school named ND. :

I'm an ND fan. I have nothing against Texas. I actually hate USC so no agenda here. I'm just saying that Mack Brown is an awful coach, a heck of a recruiter and Vince Young got him a National Title. That's the bottom line, without Vince there will be no more National Titles in Austin.

 

[Muhast]

Notre Dame hasnt had a Heismann Candidate Qb since then though. This time they appear to be correct.

 

[Glenn Carano]

They have been saying look out for Notre Dame since Lou Holtz left...

You're cluless dude. Even ND fans knew they were in trouble with Bob Davie and Ty Willingham, both AWFUL football coaches. If you don't think they'll be back with Charlie Weis, once he gets a few recruiting seasons in, then you have an agenda against ND.

 

[Glenn Carano]

OK? What's your point? Does ND play in a top-notch division? Yet you say to look out for them.

Just which division has teams where they are all-top notch teams?

Big 12 - 8 teams with winning records
Atlantic Coast - 7
Big East - 4
Big 10 - 7
Conf. USA - 6
Mid Am. - 7
Mtn. West - 5
Pac-10 - 5
SEC - 6
Sun Belt - 2
West. Athletic - 4
Independents - 2

Good point, but I never said ALL the teams in a conference had to be top notch. The Big 12 stunk, it had Texas and nobody else. When the second best team in the conference this past year was Texas Tech that's all you need to hear. Once Oklahoma gets older, they'll be back and that'll probably be this year. Nebraska? I don't know, we'll see. The other teams in the conference have a good year like once a decade. Once again, when Nebraska, Oklahoma and Colorado are all having down years, the Big XII is weak, what more can I say?

 

[Cbz40]

Good point, but I never said ALL the teams in a conference had to be top notch. The Big 12 stunk, it had Texas and nobody else. When the second best team in the conference this past year was Texas Tech that's all you need to hear. Once Oklahoma gets older, they'll be back and that'll probably be this year. Nebraska? I don't know, we'll see. The other teams in the conference have a good year like once a decade. Once again, when Nebraska, Oklahoma and Colorado are all having down years, the Big XII is weak, what more can I say?

I say you sound like "whats his name?" Cowheard on Espn radio every morning. lol

 

[Jimz31]

Let's just look at Mack Brown's record since he's been with Texas:
2005 12-0 (Rose)
2004 11-1 (Rose)
2003 10-3 (Holiday)
2002 11-2 (Cotton)
2001 11-2 (Holiday)
2000 9-3 (Holiday)
1999 9-5 (Cotton)
1998 9-3 (Cotton)

EVERY coach is going to have to face a team that is better than them sometime...last year, it was Oklahoma I believe. EVERY coach will lose some games in their career that they shouldn't lose. Oklahoma was a better team...bottom line. Sometimes that happens.

His record does NOT say that he is a bad coach.

I just tried to go to firemackbrown.com and nothing came up.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You're cluless dude. Even ND fans knew they were in trouble with Bob Davie and Ty Willingham, both AWFUL football coaches. If you don't think they'll be back with Charlie Weis, once he gets a few recruiting seasons in, then you have an agenda against ND.

Am I duuuude....

The point of my post is ND has been hyped up and hyped up and still hasn't won a title in a looong time.

What is your bowl record as of late, what something like 7 or 8 straight Bowl loss and you have the nerve and the nutz to put down other programs.

I dont have an agenda against Notre Dame, I saw them have some success under Ty Will as well.

Texas A&M consistently has a very highly thought of recruiting class year after year and unfortunately, they keep underachieving, so Recruiting Classes really dont always translate to wins and lossess.

I have to see you guys on the field next season and see what kind of talent is out there. Against Ohio State, I thought you guys were outgunned from start to finish....so I hope you got some corners.....

And there are about 5-8 Programs I would rather coach at then Notre Dame anyway...I know Urban Meyer had the same thoughts....

- Mike G.

 

[Jimz31]

Good point, but I never said ALL the teams in a conference had to be top notch. The Big 12 stunk, it had Texas and nobody else. When the second best team in the conference this past year was Texas Tech that's all you need to hear. Once Oklahoma gets older, they'll be back and that'll probably be this year. Nebraska? I don't know, we'll see. The other teams in the conference have a good year like once a decade. Once again, when Nebraska, Oklahoma and Colorado are all having down years, the Big XII is weak, what more can I say?

Well...I guess you can say that all of the other divisions are weaker since they don't equal 8 teams with winning records.

Don't get hung up on the history of Nebraska, Colorado, and Oklahoma. Everyone starts off 0-0 at the beginning of the season.

If the Big 12 was weak, then what do you call EVERY other division in the NCAA? They surely can't be stronger can they?

The sad thing is this, while the Big 12 as a whole had a "down season", they STILL had more winning teams than all other divisions.

 

[Glenn Carano]

I say you sound like "whats his name?" Cowheard on Espn radio every morning. lol

Everything I said is true though. You guys in Big XII country can all believe what you want, but the truth is the Big XII stunk this year.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Let's just look at Mack Brown's record since he's been with Texas:
2005 12-0 (Rose)
2004 11-1 (Rose)
2003 10-3 (Holiday)
2002 11-2 (Cotton)
2001 11-2 (Holiday)
2000 9-3 (Holiday)
1999 9-5 (Cotton)
1998 9-3 (Cotton)

EVERY coach is going to have to face a team that is better than them sometime...last year, it was Oklahoma I believe. EVERY coach will lose some games in their career that they shouldn't lose. Oklahoma was a better team...bottom line. Sometimes that happens.

His record does NOT say that he is a bad coach.

I just tried to go to firemackbrown.com and nothing came up.

Listen, he's a great recruiter and has had Top 5 classes every year. With that talent and playing against that weak Big XII you and I could go 9-3.

 

[Cbz40]

Everything I said is true though. You guys in Big XII country can all believe what you want, but the truth is the Big XII stunk this year.

Every conference has their perennial losers. Every Univeraity in the land will go through a rebuilding period.....two exceptions Texas & USC. The recruiting is just too strong.

Schools such as Nebraska, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State etc....... will take less time to rebuild........Depending on how strong the coach is.

The Big 12 as a whole was down this year but rebounded well in the Bowls.

 

[BigDFan5]

So, which team would he be the best fit for? I think of the top teams picking, Tennessee may be his best place, since he would be replacing a relatively mobile QB and the team would already be used to that.

This is just going off my head for right now, I will re-think it and decide later, but at first glance, it would be Tennessee.

I agree with Tenn, Young is also good friends with McNair so mcNair would be a great mentor

 

[Glenn Carano]

Am I duuuude....

The point of my post is ND has been hyped up and hyped up and still hasn't won a title in a looong time.

What is your bowl record as of late, what something like 7 or 8 straight Bowl loss and you have the nerve and the nutz to put down other programs.

I dont have an agenda against Notre Dame, I saw them have some success under Ty Will as well.

Texas A&M consistently has a very highly thought of recruiting class year after year and unfortunately, they keep underachieving, so Recruiting Classes really dont always translate to wins and lossess.

I have to see you guys on the field next season and see what kind of talent is out there. Against Ohio State, I thought you guys were outgunned from start to finish....so I hope you got some corners.....

And there are about 5-8 Programs I would rather coach at then Notre Dame anyway...I know Urban Meyer had the same thoughts....

- Mike G.

Just keep your eye on ND. They haven't been hyped and hyped and hyped the last decade. They were a bad team. I do admit they were hyped this year, but get used to it because they're back and everyone can begin to hate them again.

Meyer made a bad decision for him and a great one for ND fans. Ty Will stunk. ND hasn't won a Bowl game in 12 years and I don't really count that win over some chumpy Big XII team(Texas A&M) in the Cotton Bowl back in 1994.

Ohio St. beat us pretty good, can't say much about that. ND's defense was overmatched and they need to add speed. At least we now have someone who can recruit, not like Ty Will. How can you not recruit at ND? Ty Will found a way to do it though, couple that with being a bad coach and the program continues to freefall aftrer the Davie era.

And name me the 5-8 programs that you'd rather coach at? Please! If you win at ND you're King. You win a National title at ND you'll never be forgotten. People that don't even follow sports will know your name. Nobody right now could pick Mack Brown out of a lineup. Get my point?

 

[Glenn Carano]

Every conference has their perennial losers. Every Univeraity in the land will go through a rebuilding period.....two exceptions Texas & USC. The recruiting is just too strong.

Schools such as Nebraska, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio State etc....... will take less time to rebuild........Depending on how strong the coach is.

The Big 12 as a whole was down this year but rebounded well in the Bowls.

Stop that about Texas and USC. They've had down era's. USC was down from the mid-80's til Pete Carrol got there. Texas was down before Brown got there.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

And name me the 5-8 programs that you'd rather coach at? Please! If you win at ND you're King. You win a National title at ND you'll never be forgotten. People that don't even follow sports will know your name. Nobody right now could pick Mack Brown out of a lineup. Get my point?

In alphabetical order :
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Michigan
Ohio State
Oklahoma
USC
Texas
Texas A&M (Im sure you will burst out laughing, but I dont care)

All those schools are every bit as good as Notre Dame and 80% of them have huge hotbeds of talent in their own backyard....especially the Texas schools.

 

[crazytown41]

Is this even true cause I don't see anything on ESPN.com.

 

[Cbz40]

Stop that about Texas and USC. They've had down era's. USC was down from the mid-80's til Pete Carrol got there. Texas was down before Brown got there.

You are correct.
Like I stated (lol, maybe not too well) depends on the coach.