Vince Young going pro

[Glenn Carano]

Glenn no one is trying to say the big 12 was great this yr, but you just seem to want to trash it as terrible and I'm just not buying that. My biggest problem with the big 12 this yr was there scheduling out of conference games.

Texas Tech played the weakest non conference schedule in the country.

Texas played OSU but that's unusual and there are no plans to do it again (other than 2006) Texas always plays Rice and for some reason they schedule Arkansas often, those are somewhat traditional things.

OU played TCU and UCLA, TCU just happened to be a good football team OU didn't expect them to be that good when they scheduled it.

A&M had Clemson and no one else

That's my big disappointment about the big 12 this year

Good points. I'm not bashing the Big XII historically, just this past season, it was down somewhat. No big deal. Usually the Big XII is one of the top conferences in the country and I'm sure next year will be no different.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

That's hilarious. You've listed some decent programs there(minus A&M) and all(minus A&M) have had a better last decade than Notre Dame, but that wasn't my point. Sure these teams football teams are "every bit as good as Notre Dame", but that wasn't my point. The question was what is the best head coaching job in college football? ND football is one of the best head coaching jobs in the country, NCAA or NFL. If ND wins in football, the head coach will be just as well known as the President. It's true. I understand this list is your personal preference though. No doubt Texas, Florida, California and Ohio are stocked with High School talent year in and year out. That has nothing to do with ND though. ND recruits nationally, they obviously don't rely on instate recruits. Also, on the rosters of just about all those schools you listed are tons of kids that ND couldn't even recruit, because they wouldn't get past admissions. It's true, ND has certain standards. That will not stop Charlie Weis though. You'll see.

I'm a ND fan, but don't try to BS anyone with the "wouldn't get past admissions" statement.


Tony Rice ring a bell?

 

[The30YardSlant]

:laugh2:

How many times has A&M won 11 games in a season? I'm not even sure, but it can't be too many. They've been playing football there for a long, long time and I can't believe they've won 11 games very many times.

Texas A&M was dominant national power for over a decade or so from 1985-1998. We won double digit games 7 times in that stretch, were in the top 5 at some point 9 times in that stretch, and won 11 or more games 3 times. We also played a bowl game for the national title 3 times, however we lost all 3 times. We've won 11 games or more several other times in our history.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just keep your eye on ND. They haven't been hyped and hyped and hyped the last decade. They were a bad team. I do admit they were hyped this year, but get used to it because they're back and everyone can begin to hate them again.

Meyer made a bad decision for him and a great one for ND fans. Ty Will stunk. ND hasn't won a Bowl game in 12 years and I don't really count that win over some chumpy Big XII team(Texas A&M) in the Cotton Bowl back in 1994.

Ohio St. beat us pretty good, can't say much about that. ND's defense was overmatched and they need to add speed. At least we now have someone who can recruit, not like Ty Will. How can you not recruit at ND? Ty Will found a way to do it though, couple that with being a bad coach and the program continues to freefall aftrer the Davie era.

And name me the 5-8 programs that you'd rather coach at? Please! If you win at ND you're King. You win a National title at ND you'll never be forgotten. People that don't even follow sports will know your name. Nobody right now could pick Mack Brown out of a lineup. Get my point?

Yeah, A&M was a real chump in 1994

 

[Glenn Carano]

I'm a ND fan, but don't try to BS anyone with the "wouldn't get past admissions" statement.


Tony Rice ring a bell?

Your going to name one guy? One? That's it. Holtz and Cerrato got Tony in way back when, but that didn't happen too often. That's probably one of the many reasons why Holtz left, because admissions wouldn't let some of those types of guys in. If you're an ND fan and you don't believe that there are tons of guys on those other schools rosters that ND would never let in then your crazy and don't know what you're talking about

 

[Glenn Carano]

Texas A&M was dominant national power for over a decade or so from 1985-1998. We won double digit games 7 times in that stretch, were in the top 5 at some point 9 times in that stretch, and won 11 or more games 3 times. We also played a bowl game for the national title 3 times, however we lost all 3 times. We've won 11 games or more several other times in our history.

Let me look this up, I'll be back.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Texas A&M was dominant national power for over a decade or so from 1985-1998. We won double digit games 7 times in that stretch, were in the top 5 at some point 9 times in that stretch, and won 11 or more games 3 times. We also played a bowl game for the national title 3 times, however we lost all 3 times. We've won 11 games or more several other times in our history.

Just looked it up.

Texas A&M has won 11 games a total of 3 times in the over 100 year history of their football program. 1939, 1992 and 1998. That's it! So freshen up on A&M history.

So you're telling me that Texas A&M, if they won those three bowl games you speak of would've been National Champs? Says who?

 

[BigWillie]

The facts are this. The Big XII is in a down year when Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado and Texas A&M are all having down years. What more do you need?

Again, that's your opinion. It is NOT a fact as much as you would like to believe that. Unless you have something to back it up with...

You're just a ACC homer. And yes, the Pac-10 was weak this year and always is. Historically Big XII > Pac-10.

HA

I'm not even an ACC fan. Heck, I'm not even an SEC fan. It's well known I'm a Nebraska fan.

Thanks for playing though!

Also to classify A&M as a national power is a HUGE reach. Being a national power is playing in a power conference (which the Southwest Conf. wasn't at that time) and beating people in your bowl game, which Texas A&M regularly lost. Once the Big 8 expanded and included teams like A&M, their run of 'dominance' came to a extreme hault.

Although I would compare their run to that of a K-State during the 90's.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just looked it up.

Texas A&M has won 11 games a total of 3 times in the over 100 year history of their football program. 1939, 1992 and 1998. That's it! So freshen up on A&M history.

So you're telling me that Texas A&M, if they won those three bowl games you speak of would've been National Champs? Says who?

Texas A&M was undefeated, 12-0, going into the Cotton Bowl against Notre Dame in 1992. Had we won, we would have be undisputed national champions.

In 1993, we went into the Cotton Bowl with 1 loss and had we won, would have likely held a share of the national title. Same goes for 1991.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Again, that's your opinion. It is NOT a fact as much as you would like to believe that. Unless you have something to back it up with.

The facts are this. Nebraska down year, Oklahoma down year, Colorado down year = Big XII down year. What more do you need? Lets look at the Big XII against ranked teams in 2005. They went a combined 11-32. Is that enough for ya?

 

[Glenn Carano]

Texas A&M was undefeated, 12-0, going into the Cotton Bowl against Notre Dame in 1992. Had we won, we would have be undisputed national champions.

In 1993, we went into the Cotton Bowl with 1 loss and had we won, would have likely held a share of the national title. Same goes for 1991.

So you're telling me ND knocked A&M out of 2 National Titles? In 1992 Alabama went undefeated and crushed Miami in the Sugar Bowl. How is Texas A&M undisputed Champs? Didn't matter ND hammered the Aggies.

In 1991 there were two undefeated teams in Miami and Washington, how does A&M claim anything that year with one loss, even if they won the Cotton Bowl?

In 1993 you might have shared with Florida St., but I don't know what the polls looked like heading into the Cotton Bowl and I highly doubt it. Again didn't matter as ND won.

 

[BigWillie]

The facts are this. Nebraska down year, Oklahoma down year, Colorado down year = Big XII down year. What more do you need? Lets look at the Big XII against ranked teams in 2005. They went a combined 11-32. Is that enough for ya?

Nice you include the win-losses when they play each other. :laugh1:

You can argue your 'opinion' until the cows come home, but the bowl games showed how overrated (or underrated most would say) the Big 12 really was. In games no one gave them a chance in like the Alamo, Holiday and Rose Bowls., the B12 came out winners. Damm I'll take another down year like this from our conference.

Also to HH, how in the blue he** would A&M got a share of the '93 title? Nebraska played FreeShoesU in the Orange Bowl and barely lost (thanks in part to the William Floyd fumble-no fumble). Nebraska went into that game undefeated and still yet finished 3rd in all the polls. The game was 1 vs. 2, no way does A&M get a share of anything in '93.

 

[Glenn Carano]

Nice you include the win-losses when they play each other. :laugh1:

It is what it is. Seriously, you think this Big XII campaign is on par with the past? You're crazy. I don't care that Nebraska beat an overrated Michigan team that lost 4 games this year, not including the bowl game. Wow, Oklahoma beat an overrated Oregon team from a crappy conference. Did Nebraska finally crack the Top 25, it's been a couple years.

You can argue your 'opinion' until the cows come home, but the bowl games showed how overrated (or underrated most would say) the Big 12 really was. In games no one gave them a chance in like the Alamo, Holiday and Rose Bowls., the B12 came out winners. Damm I'll take another down year like this from our conference.

You crack me up. "No one gave them a chance" The poor Big XII, nobody gives us a chance. Whatever dude. So what you're saying is that Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado all had their normal years? Answer the question just once, I've asked you enough times.

Texas was ranked #1 and then nobody else til Texas Tech at 19 or 20 and reputation votes for Oklahoma and Nebraska to round out the top 25. Awesome year Big XII! 2004 Big XII had 2 teams in top 4 or 5. Same in 2003 and in 2002 4 teams in the top 14 or 15. This year 1 team in top 15. 'Nuff said.

 

[BigWillie]

It is what it is. Seriously, you think this Big XII campaign is on par with the past? You're crazy. I don't care that Nebraska beat an overrated Michigan team that lost 4 games this year, not including the bowl game. Wow, Oklahoma beat an overrated Oregon team from a crappy conference. Did Nebraska finally crack the Top 25, it's been a couple years.

You crack me up. "No one gave them a chance" The poor Big XII, nobody gives us a chance. Whatever dude. So what you're saying is that Nebraska, Oklahoma, Colorado all had their normal years? Answer the question just once, I've asked you enough times.

Texas was ranked #1 and then nobody else til Texas Tech at 19 or 20 and reputation votes for Oklahoma and Nebraska to round out the top 25. Awesome year Big XII! 2004 Big XII had 2 teams in top 4 or 5. Same in 2003 and in 2002 4 teams in the top 14 or 15. This year 1 team in top 15. 'Nuff said.

What do you qualify as a 'normal' year for Nebraska, Oklahoma and Colorado?

Do you want Nebraska to be the dominant team of the 90's? Hardy har har....unlikely any team will be as dominant as Nebraska once was. Nebraska or any team will be back to that point on a yearly basis.

Do you want Oklahoma to be like this early decade team they once were?

Heck, what is a normal year for Colorado? They finished in the top half of the North as they NORMALLY do. What are you getting at?

Fact is, for their standards most of the B12 had down years. But still yet they beat the s*** out of other teams. What does that say about the conference, even in a supposed 'down' year?

But I guess once they raise back to your standards of competiting for National Titles year in year out before they will not be considered let-downs. :laugh2:

 

[The30YardSlant]

Texas fans after hearing the news of VY leaving:

http://www.angelfire.com/ga4/wavincatlyn/homepage/wboy/wesuck.wav

 

[CowboyPrincess]

I was really hoping that Vince Young would finish out in college. He's made his legend in College ball and will be a top pick no matter what year he decides to go pro. After the Rosebowl, it really sounded like he was going to stay at Texas, play football and get the degree that he said was important to both himself and his mom. His announcement today took me by surprise.

I wish him luck but wish we would have him at UT one more year

 

[Derinyar]

I was really hoping that Vince Young would finish out in college. He's made his legend in College ball and will be a top pick no matter what year he decides to go pro. After the Rosebowl, it really sounded like he was going to stay at Texas, play football and get the degree that he said was important to both himself and his mom. His announcement today took me by surprise.

I wish him luck but wish we would have him at UT one more year

I think he made the correct decision. While it would likely have increased his chance of being ready for the NFL going back quite possibly would have cost him in the draft. He would have needed to have a better year, and better bowl game, than he had this year to maintain his current draft status. That just wasn't likely to happen. Lets face it these most of these kids don't go to school for an education, at least not the big blue chip prospects.

 

[Glenn Carano]

What do you qualify as a 'normal' year for Nebraska, Oklahoma and Colorado?

Do you want Nebraska to be the dominant team of the 90's? Hardy har har....unlikely any team will be as dominant as Nebraska once was. Nebraska or any team will be back to that point on a yearly basis.

Do you want Oklahoma to be like this early decade team they once were?

Heck, what is a normal year for Colorado? They finished in the top half of the North as they NORMALLY do. What are you getting at?

Fact is, for their standards most of the B12 had down years. But still yet they beat the s*** out of other teams. What does that say about the conference, even in a supposed 'down' year?

But I guess once they raise back to your standards of competiting for National Titles year in year out before they will not be considered let-downs. :laugh2:

Why are you so blind to see this? I know you're a Big XII homer, but this is beyond ridiculous. Normal year for Oklahoma under Bob Stoops is not 8-4 my friend. Here are the last five years for Oklahoma.
2000 13-0 #1
2001 11-2 #6
2002 12-2 #5
2003 12-2 #3
2004 12-1 #3
Do they resemble 2005 at 8-4? I don't think so. :laugh2:

I just keep giving you facts and numbers and all you got is biased BSs.

Nebraska has averaged over 10 wins a season forever, now they win 8 and it's a normal season. Some kind of Nebraska fan you are. Have you ever been to Lincoln? I doubt it. You're clueless. :laugh2:

Who did the Big XII beat the crap out of? Please enlighten me. The conference is well known not to schedule the toughest out of conference schedule around, it's a joke. Good thing Texas stepped up and played OSU this year and next. I already told you 11-32 versus ranked teams in 2005. Take out the games they played against eachother and it still stinks.

Your logic is way off. So becasue the National Champ came from the Big XII this year, you conclude that the Big XII must've been good in 2005. So last year the Pac-10 was a tough conference because the National Champs came out of there? When Miami was in the Big East and won the National Title, does that mean that the Big East was good conference? Means nothing.

I've given you facts and numbers and you have no reply, just a bunch of Big XII BS. Just admit it, besides Texas, it was a down year for the Big XII.

I actually like the Big XII, but after talking to people like you I'm beginning to dislike it more and more. Sort of like talking to a stubborn Commanders fan.