Vince Young Tired Of Sitting On The Bench

[EPL0c0]

Over the years I've hit on some and missed on some, some badly.

Young was one I was dead on about.

Total waste of a roster spot.

There's probably a CFL or Arena League team awaiting for him.

hey can play for Abeline when QC retires

 

[PullMyFinger]

I don't get why a player being unhappy about sitting on the bench is news. What player wants to be a backup?

Kitna.

And I think thats a stupid mentality to have, being a backup, especially when youre older, extends you career. Come in every once in a while, maybe have to play 3 or 4 games, and sit and get paid, whats wrong with that?

 

[Hostile]

I still believe Young has a chance in the NFL. He will turn out to be a good player when it is all said an done, maybe even hall of fame. JMO.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Vince Young has no shot whatsoever at the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He can possibly be good enough to start in the NFL but I doubt he will ever be one of the top QBs.

I like him, but his limitations are bigger than normal hurdles.

 

[PullMyFinger]

hey can play for Abeline when QC retires

Buhahahaha dont let Slatemosphere see that sig......LOL :laugh2:

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Screw you, Vince 'Head Case' Young.
I didn't care when you started losing. I DID care when you stopped caring and gave up!
You make Ricky Williams seem like the normal UT aluminus.

 

[Sarge]

Young is EXACTLY where he should be.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Demand a trade Vince!

 

[Yeagermeister]

Demand a trade Vince!

I'm sure Al Davis would make that trade.

VY, MV and JaMarcus at QB CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh2:

 

[big dog cowboy]

I'm sure Al Davis would make that trade.

VY, MV and JaMarcus at QB CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh2:

What a mess that would be.

 

[DFWJC]

To think Jay Cutler played in the Titans' back yard, yet they took Vince instead.

 

[ZB9]

like I said before, Vince went out of his way to be a good soldier and say all of the right things all season and all Spring, yet it didnt matter. People still bashed him every chance they got, and the team still handed the next year's starting job to Kerry Collins.

A different approach might be a good idea. ****. It's good to see VY with his swagger back. A confident and ****ed off Vince is a dangerous Vince. He went into his rookie season with a chip on his shoulder as well. I wouldnt be so sure to bet that Fisher is upset about Vince's salty attitude heading into training camp either. At least he shouldnt be.

Btw, after Kerry Collins' ultimatum that he did not want to have to compete for a starting job, and either they give him the starting job or he will retire...if Fisher would have said the best player in camp and the preseason would be the starter, then I suspect Young would never have said this. If Young is not going to get a chance to play, and if he is not in the Titans' future plans, then they should just trade him or release him. You dont draft a player #3 overall to be a backup.

what I dont understand is people are comparing Young as a starter in his SECOND year in the league (and without another weapon like Chris Johnson or an offense like Dinger's) to Kerry Collins in his 15TH SEASON, playing with better weapons on offense...It's too bad people wont let Young develop for chrisssake like Steve McNair was allowed to develop. Young did better earlier on and showed more flashes than most inexperienced QBs do in their first few seasons.

 

[lewpac]

I was just flipping channels the other day and caught this analysis show on the big names taken in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Very insightful..................

At the end of the day, according to these guys on the show, the following are busts. Not only are the busts so far, but the dye is cast and the possibility for future NFL success grows slimmer and slimmer since the draft.......

Busts:
Vince Young
Reggie Bush
A.J. Hawk
Vernon Davis
Matt Leinart

A.J. Hawk is doing OK.

The STAR of the draft turned out to be (drum roll please.....), you guessed it, MARIO WILLIAMS, DE-HOUSTON!!

Jay Cutler went #11 as well, and he turned out to be a soap opera unto himself. But he has good on-field stats and a pro-bowl or two I think.

I gotta' tell you, I forgot how BIG this draft was (or was supposed to be), until I watched this debate going on. Vince Young and Matt Leinart took the most heat, and everyone to a man has pretty much written them both off forever. Too much wiring damage between the ears at this point seems to be the prognosis.

I happen to agree. The QB position.............if you come in as the starter or the expected starter as a rookie, and it doesn't work out for whatever reason, it's a long way back for you. It's different for a Romo or a Kurt Warner or even a Favre, where the expectations weren't there. It's a longer way back for the Youngs and Leinart's of the world because of the immaturity and youth, and the damage to the psche' when everything goes into the crapper.

And, you gotta' admit, that prognosis is a dead ringer so far for Young and Leinart. At this point, both of these guys are in NFL pergatory, and anyone who says they know what will become of either of them are lying. NO ONE KNOWS! Both of these guys should NEVER be allowed to speak in public by their agents. Nothing good comes of it. Same with Cutler. This 2006 class has appeared to fill the NFL with it's quota of "problem QB's". Three's about the limit usually, and these three guys have got those positions.

Anyway, I'm really glad for Mario Williams. It appears that, for all the guff and rolling-eyes Houston got for drafting him first, before all these nut-cases....................it appears that Houston's brass was the smartest after all.

 

[ZB9]

I was just flipping channels the other day and caught this analysis show on the big names taken in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Very insightful..................

At the end of the day, according to these guys on the show, the following are busts. Not only are the busts so far, but the dye is cast and the possibility for future NFL success grows slimmer and slimmer since the draft.......

Busts:
Vince Young
Reggie Bush
A.J. Hawk
Vernon Davis
Matt Leinart

A.J. Hawk is doing OK.

You cant call Vince Young or Matt Leinart "busts" after 3 seasons

Reggie Bush and AJ Hawk aren't busts yet either...but QB's especially take longer to develop in the NFL

 

[lewpac]

You cant call Vince Young or Matt Leinart "busts" after 3 seasons

Reggie Bush and AJ Hawk aren't busts yet either...but QB's especially take longer to develop in the NFL

I'm just reporting on what Mark Schlereth and Trent Dilpher (and the moderator) were talking over. And I gave my opinion that I agreed. I also said the A.J. Hawk was doing OK IMO.

I would think that two guys who played at a very high level, know what happens in locker rooms, know the ups and downs and mental stuff that happens, etc................I think that they would know more than we would. At least give them their due for their opinion. Especially Dilpher, who certainly saw the highest of highs, and the lowest of lows of being a QB in the NFL.

I also took stock in their words because, not only their personal experiences, but the exposure to the league and umpteen other players. They both played pretty long careers in several places. And if THEY BOTH AGREED that the chances of either Leinart or Vince Young EVER recovering from this is slim to none.

Also, the both agreed, rather quickly BTW, thet they'd BOTH rather take a shot on Mike Vick than to go with either Leinart or Young! THAT'S how little confidence they both had in either guy at this point. This all occured during Monday or Tuesday's "NFL" show on ESPN. A half hour show during the off season.

Is what these two guys say "gospel"? I don't know, maybe, maybe not. But their both pretty respected veterans of the game and of the commentary studio. Dipher is approaching super-respectablity in the biz, and Schlereth is no slouch either. So, take it for what it's worth. Of course, if your a big fan of Vince Young or Matt Leinart, then of course you're gonna' poo-poo their analysis.............

 

[Bob Sacamano]

if I were the Titans, I'd use him as another rusher, they could be dangerous with him and Chris Johnson in the backfield, and they drafted another back this year too

 

[ZB9]

Of course, if your a big fan of Vince Young or Matt Leinart, then of course you're gonna' poo-poo their analysis.............

LOL being on TMZ, er I mean ESPN is reason enough to poo poo their analysis. Do you watch them often? That tabloid network often encourages sensationalism

I dont give a **** what Dilfer says. It is too early for the bust labels for a QB that is entering his 4th season...especially one that won the ROY award in his first season, struggled but led his team to the playoffs in his second season, and got injured in his third season. He is only half way through his first contract.

Now, if he doesnt do anything in his 4th season, then folks can start with the bustville talk. It's too early now though.

 

[lewpac]

LOL being on TMZ, er I mean ESPN is reason enough to poo poo their analysis. Do you watch them often? That tabloid network often encourages sensationalism

I dont give a **** what Dilfer says. It is too early for the bust labels for a QB that is entering his 4th season...especially one that won the ROY award in his first season, struggled but led his team to the playoffs in his second season, and got injured in his third season. He is only half way through his first contract.

Now, if he doesnt do anything in his 4th season, then folks can start with the bustville talk. It's too early now though.

I well aware of the tabloid-mediot/ESPN agenda and have little use for 90% of what their about. They DO come in handy from time to time, because any sports is better than no sports.

That said, I think that Cowboy fans have a double-dose "no use" for them. Because you use their attraction to "sensationalism", and our Cowboys have been one of their few poster-boys for that stuff. Cowboys fans are certainly justified to say "yeah yeah yeah, bull****" as a default position toward ESPN.

However, I see no agenda or grandstanding with two "football guys" sitting around in May and discussion the 2006 draft for a half hour. I don't see the "sensationalism" or bias/slant/spin there. Neither guy has any dog in the fight, and no reason for leaning either way or dropping bombs with this topic as far as I can tell.

I'm gonna' leave it at that. I happen to see what their saying and have every reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. Particularly because not only have Lienart and Young been through pretty heavy stuff with their downward turns.......................but BOTH guys who took over for them are seasoned vets who were sorta' written off, and BOTH guys came up big. REAL BIG! I'd agree more with you if these guys were replaced by say, a Brad Johnson, and nothing of consequence or good happened in their absence's. But they both got SUPER shown-up by two old guys, Warner making the SB and Collins a tick away from a SB. Warner even got a little MVP talk and HOF talk over it! I think THAT has something to do with the "bust" opinions as well. These two guys must be REALLY going through a lot between the ears becuase of Collins and Warner, ON TOP OF their own personal problems.

 

[ZB9]

I


However, I see no agenda or grandstanding with two "football guys" sitting around in May and discussion the 2006 draft for a half hour. I don't see the "sensationalism" or bias/slant/spin there. Neither guy has any dog in the fight, and no reason for leaning either way or dropping bombs with this topic as far as I can tell.

lol they arent just "sitting around in May". They work for ESPN and ESPN has the tabloid agenda. ESPN is in the entertainment business and they hire "analysts" that stir the pot and push the agendas they encourage. Shows like "NFL live" especially like to stir the pot in a slow football time of year like now.

im not saying they dont have some good analysis, just that ESPN tends to often pick the analyst that fits their agenda at that time for that story. It usually stirs the pot more to find a negative analysis. It obviously has some value imo, but it would be ridiculous to take it as "gospel".

Analysts on ESPN have been wrong at least as often as they have been right. Many of them spout off about things they dont even have all of the information or facts about and havent even followed, yet people take it as gospel because they are "experts".

Are you an NBA fan? Do you take everything Charles Barkley says as "gospel" also? Chuck doesnt even watch half of the games

BOTH guys came up big. REAL BIG! I'd agree more with you if these guys were replaced by say, a Brad Johnson, and nothing of consequence or good happened in their absence's. But they both got SUPER shown-up by two old guys, Warner making the SB and Collins a tick away from a SB. Warner even got a little MVP talk and HOF talk over it! I think THAT has something to do with the "bust" opinions as well.

as far as Collins, Young actually had a higher completion percentage in '07 than Collins did last season, the same amount of total touchdowns as Collins had last season, and the same amount of passing yards as Collins had last season

the big differences obviously were INTs (experience), which is why Fisher stuck with Collins...and 3 more wins (Chris Johnson, and Dinger). However, the weapons both players had was very different obviously. Young has not had a chance to play in Dinger's offense or with a weapon like Chris Johnson.

Id like to see how Collins would have done in '07 with LenDale "2 yards and a cloud of dust" White as his main other weapon and with Chow at OC all season. Look at how Collins played in the playoff game last season after Chris Johnson went down....As far as Collins getting "a tick away from the Superbowl", I cant say that I understand that comment. Collins was 0-1 in the playoffs last season, the same playoff record as Vince Young in '07

anyway, what I dont understand is people comparing Young as a starter in his SECOND year in the league (and without another weapon like Chris Johnson or an offense like Dinger's) to Kerry Collins in his 15TH SEASON, playing with better weapons on offense.

These two guys must be REALLY going through a lot between the ears becuase of Collins and Warner, ON TOP OF their own personal problems.

as far as "personal problems", I guess you are too young to remember Kerry Collins' personal problems when he was starting out in the league. He encountered quite a bit of adversity.

Being a QB in the NFL usually contains some adversity. Collins came out of it pretty well. Actually, going through all of that probably made him a better QB.

many QBs have issues with immaturity early in their careers (including Collins)...but people overreact when it comes to Young.

 

[lewpac]

Fair enough............

But, if your saying that that criticism of Vince Young, and an agenda against him is afoot at ESPN, I'm here to tell you that THAT would cut against the grain of every former ESPN template.

ESPN is everything you say it is, and everything I agreed with you about. And, ESPN is also extremely PC. Don't ban me now, but there's no way that ESPN is going to set forth a witch-hunt to try and bring down Vince Young. That's all I'll say about that..............

This guys college game is tailor made to fail in the NFL. We've all seen this before. An extremely mobile and athletic QB who bring a lot of bling, a lot of "holy ****, did you see that" stuff, and decent numbers. Some of them have a cannon arm. Only problem is that, when a cannon mis-fires, the damage is geometrically more catastrophic.

I'm now prepared to just say it out loud. JeMarcus Russel and Vince Young, until further notice, are nothing more or less than the next Dante Culpepper/Micheal Vick. A lot of rah-rah, a lot of highlightes, a lot of entertainment and "did you see that??" stuff...............Just enough numbers to keep the kool-aid drinkers and believers on board. But just when it matters the most? FIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

 

[jimmy40]

Did he actually graduate from UT? Does he have any eligablity left? The Longhorns might bring him back to Austin to sell tickets and cause a faux controversy with Colt McCoy.

Yeah, the Longhorns are really struggling with ticket sales. I just wish they'd quit letting him try to speak in public.