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Mansta54;2154446 said:
You're really underestimating the importance of GW. He was absolute key to your D. He was extremely aggressive, intellegent, and knew how to compensate for your weaknesses. GW had the utmust respect from his defensive players and the entire team, that was even more obvious from the disappointment of the players when he wasn't choosen as HC. Well, he's now in Jacksonville. HUGE loss for your defense!!! I don't care how long Blache coached under GW or if yall are running virtually the same D as GW or not, BLACHE ISN'T GW. PERIOD!!!!!!

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Man I wonder how you felt about Williams 8 months ago? Of course if he had the "utmost respect" of the defense, articles like this would not come out, would they:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2672668

Some highlights of our most respected leader (according to Cowboy fans)

But it was a blind confidence, and when Pierce became a free agent after the 2004 season, and talks began to stall, Williams, according to Commanders sources, claimed Pierce was "replaceable." It was the first hint of arrogance under the new Gibbs regime, a sense that Williams felt it was his system, not the players, that dominated offenses. Cornerback Fred Smoot was also a free agent at the time, and again, Williams felt Smoot was expendable, even though losing a starting linebacker and a starting corner would necessitate an extensive defensive overhaul.
Well, that was power, and when it came time to recruit prospective free agents, Williams was heard bragging that he made more money than the head coaches he was recruiting against, that he carried more lumber than some head coaches in the league. Whether it was true or not, he believed it, and the players believed it, and that's how this all started heading downhill.
The problem, according to a notable Commanders player, is a scheme, a staff and a play-calling regimen that is flawed and predictable, and a sense that Williams is on too much of a power trip to adjust.
"Why are we the 30th defense in the league? I think coaches got arrogant, I think Gregg got arrogant," the player said Tuesday, asking not to be identified. "They thought they figured it all out. They thought, 'We can win with scheme, we don't need players.' Don't be mistaken, this is a player-driven game, and so you need players. Any time in life when somebody thinks they've got it all figured out, it's going to come and get you. It's going to come and get you … the sentiment is a lot of guys are mad because the coaches think it's all about them. They think they're f------ geniuses, thinking they can just let guys go and get away with handling people badly."
Williams, in the meantime, has not backed off of calling the Cover 2, perhaps out of stubbornness. And the rest of the league has clearly caught on.
"Guys are saying teams have figured Gregg out, his M.O.," the Commanders defender said. "They know he's going to play the run with Cover 2. They know he's going to come and blitz [leaving corners on an island] on third down, and none of our blitzes are getting there anymore. We're trying to get too cute, we're trying to reinvent the wheel, instead of understanding what wins football games.
Should I post anymore of the utmostly respected leader?

Now to GW's credit, he adjusted very well last year, utilized Sean Taylor perfectly and turned that ship around from the disaster of 2006. I certainly thought he was a terrific D-coordinator and was sorry to see him go, but he wasn't going to stay as a d-coordinator. But to think losing GW will cause this D to fall into the lower ten defenses in the NFL, is simply wishful thinking on your part
 

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SkinsHokieFan;2154608 said:
Give the Commanders a decent safety against the Cowboys in November, and there is no way TO has 4 TD's.

Give Tony Romo stickem, and there is no way he fumbles away a FG

Give Dan Marino a decent running back in the 1980s, and there is no way he goes winless in the Superbowl

See how absurd your comment is? Tavaris Jackson was the Vikings weakness, and the Commanders D took advantage of that


Then you guys shouldn't brag about shutting down Peterson. Just like I wouldn't brag about TO beating Doughty.

Nearly any defense could shut down any running back if they didn't have to worry about the pass at all. And really, how often will that happen? Not very. There are just a few QB's in the NFL that are as inept as Jackson... and one of those is Washington's QB, so your defense will never get to face him.
 

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Hostile;2154613 said:
I agree. He and Jim Johnson have my respect as top notch DCs, and the Giants guy is getting there quickly. IMO, the loss of Gregg Williams will be the Commanders Achilles heel in 2008.

I have always said that Gregg Williams is one of the best coordinators around. Head coach? I don't know about that... but the guy can coach defense with anyone.

I've said that ever since he went to DC. I've even said that on Commander boards.
 

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AsthmaField;2154617 said:
Then you guys shouldn't brag about shutting down Peterson. Just like I wouldn't brag about TO beating Doughty.

Nearly any defense could shut down any running back if they didn't have to worry about the pass at all. And really, how often will that happen? Not very. There are just a few QB's in the NFL that are as inept as Jackson... and one of those is Washington's QB, so your defense will never get to face him.

Point being, how was Peterson running before the Commanders game?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=8261

He had 116 yards 2 weeks before against Detroit on 15 carries

78 yards on 20 carries the week before against Chicago

And 296 yards on 30 carries a few weeks earlier against a very talented San Diego D

Who was the QB during those games, and why did the Commanders D stop him?
 

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AsthmaField;2154619 said:
I have always said that Gregg Williams is one of the best coordinators around. Head coach? I don't know about that... but the guy can coach defense with anyone.

I've said that ever since he went to DC. I've even said that on Commander boards.
I am picking Jacksonville over the Colts in that Division and he is a large part of the reason why. That Defense was already very good. With some of his schemes they have no excuse not to be among the top 5 in 2008.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2154609 said:
I don't remember anyone ever bashing Gregg Williams. Everyone knew he was a very good coach.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84754

Bashing? No

The gushing that I am seeing in this thread for Gregg Williams. Certainly not

Staying on topic, the defense collapsing from number 8 to the low 20s is not my concern this season, and a drop off to the mid teens will not be due to coaching, but more so due to if Rogers and McIntosh are unable to return to form, and Reed Doughty proves to be what I think he is, a very good special teams player and a marginal SS at best
 

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SkinsHokieFan;2154620 said:
He had 116 yards 2 weeks before against Detroit on 15 carries

Detroit? Really?

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78 yards on 20 carries the week before against Chicago

Chicago? In 2007? Really? Did you even notice how poorly their defense played last season?

SkinsHokieFan;2154620 said:
And 296 yards on 30 carries a few weeks earlier against a very talented San Diego D

The key prhase here would be, "A few weeks earlier". In the early part of the season, the San Diego defense was having serious trouble switching from Wade Phillips scheme over to their current coordinator's schemes. They played it completely differently than they did under Phillips and it took them half a season to figure it out. Remember how upset Merriman was and how little of an impact he was having?

Teams also figured out how better to play against Minn. offense later in the year. As the season wore on, it became evident that in order to stop Minn. you had to stop Peterson. It also became evident that Jackson wasn't going to beat anyone with his arm. By the time the Wash/Minn game rolled around, Williams knew what he had to do.

Can you imagine Williams trying to stop Jackson and leaving seven guys in the box for Peterson? Me either. AD ran against 8 and 9 man fronts all night. You SHOULD have stopped him.

Like I said, I watched that game. Jackson was off... even for him. He was throwing up INT's like candy to kids and their coach pulled way back on the throws he would let Jackson even attempt.

However, Peterson is a very good back and will get a lot of yards regardless. You should be happy that your team stopped him because they had to in order to win.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;2154623 said:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84754

Bashing? No

The gushing that I am seeing in this thread for Gregg Williams. Certainly not

Staying on topic, the defense collapsing from number 8 to the low 20s is not my concern this season, and a drop off to the mid teens will not be due to coaching, but more so due to if Rogers and McIntosh are unable to return to form, and Reed Doughty proves to be what I think he is, a very good special teams player and a marginal SS at best

Anybody who follows football closely knows that GW was a damn good defensive man long before he came to DC. Nobody here is gushing over him, just giving props to him. Again, he is a HUGE loss regardless to you admitting it or not.

And do you really want Rogers to return to form? He has sucked from day 1. What form are you talking about?
 

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They were talking about the Taylor trade on Sirius yesterday morning and Carl Banks, former bad *** linebacker of the Giants, said that Taylor was going to see a whole different kind of power running than he was used to.

Carl was not convinced Taylor would be able to man up. I tend to agree. The AFC East is one thing, but you better bring your hard hat and lunch box if you're going to stop the run in the NFC East.
 

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cowboys2233;2154977 said:
They were talking about the Taylor trade on Sirius yesterday morning and Carl Banks, former bad *** linebacker of the Giants, said that Taylor was going to see a whole different kind of power running than he was used to.

Carl was not convinced Taylor would be able to man up. I tend to agree. The AFC East is one thing, but you better bring your hard hat and lunch box if you're going to stop the run in the NFC East.

Maaaan I've been trying to point out this very issue to those Foreskin trolls who come to our board with that nonsense they talk.. They'll see tho, hope they're still around during the season...
 

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Sonny#9;2154420 said:
Really? The loss of one player is going to transform a unit that held the #1 rushing team in the league last year to 76 yards to a defense that teams are going to "run all over?" How so?

I didn't realize Phillip Daniels was so special! Silly me!

Daniels wasn't that special. My point is that Jason Taylor simply isn't a stong side DE. He is too small and isn't the greatest against the run. Now that you have two undersized DE's, which one are you planning on helping in the running game?
 

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Mansta54;2154671 said:
Anybody who follows football closely knows that GW was a damn good defensive man long before he came to DC. Nobody here is gushing over him, just giving props to him. Again, he is a HUGE loss regardless to you admitting it or not.

And do you really want Rogers to return to form? He has sucked from day 1. What form are you talking about?

http://mvn.com/nfl-Commanders/2008/07/17/just-how-good-were-the-Commanders-dbs-last-year/

Carlos Rogers
When I referred to Rogers as the “X factor of the 2007 Commanders”, I had no idea that he would perform so well, and yet, have his season shortened by half.
Rogers, in seven games, was targeted 37 times by opposing QBs (not enough to qualify for the leader’s rankings), and posted a 66% stop rate, and gave up a stingy 5.7 Y/A against. That stop rate was the best in the entire NFL, and had he qualified for it, that 5.7 Y/A against would have ranking him as a top 5 corner in the NFL, just behind Nnamdi Asomugha and Champ Bailey.
The fact that his season was cut short means you have to take those statistics with a grain of salt regarding Rogers: perhaps given more time in the lineup, those would have evened out. Additionally, we may never see Rogers perform at this level again, being that he’s coming off major knee surgery.
But at the very least, Gregg Williams is off the hook for that draft pick. Rogers has clearly shaken the bust label, and although he may never play at this level again, he should become a fixture in the starting lineup for years to come.
 

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cowboys2233;2154977 said:
They were talking about the Taylor trade on Sirius yesterday morning and Carl Banks, former bad *** linebacker of the Giants, said that Taylor was going to see a whole different kind of power running than he was used to.

Carl was not convinced Taylor would be able to man up. I tend to agree. The AFC East is one thing, but you better bring your hard hat and lunch box if you're going to stop the run in the NFC East.

Expect a lot of Demetric Evans in the DE rotation, he is bigger and a quality DE to give Taylor breaks and play in obvious running situations

This is not really a big worry of mine
 

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And it looks like the days of the 10 plus yard cushions are over

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/07/prepractice_ramblings.html#more

The Commanders have been playing a lot of press-man coverage with their corners early in camp, more than what seemed to be the norm. Playing man is nothing new around here, but there was no cushion being given at all. Fred Smoot and Shawn Springs, the starting corners, have loved it, 'cuz now they're even closer to the WRs to beat them up a bit and also to ensure all of their smack talk is audible.

Smoot said he expects the team to play a ton of it this season, and that CB Coach Jerry Gray is stressing press technique. I asked Jim Zorn if the prevalence of the coverage was just to give the offense that look in practice, and he said, no, that he figured the Commanders would be a pressing team. Not 100 percent of the time, of course, but given the size and skills of their corner, the enhanced pass rush with Jason Taylor and the presence of a ball-hawk, head-hunter like LaRon Landry behind the corners at safety, it makes a lot of sense.

The CBs have to get a solid jam on the WRs and derail them from their route - within the ever-shrinking legal limits of doing so - and it's definitely a high-gamble tactic (if the corner whiffs you've got a streaking WR going deep all alone), but it can be smothering if done properly. Makes for some fun battles during 11-on-11s as well, especially when the kid WRs are out there.

Other Stuff: Demetric Evans is 10 pounds heavier than a year ago and is looking very sharp thus far. If he keeps this up, he will find his way into the rotation at DE - perhaps more on the left side on running downs and to spell Jason Taylor - as well as coming up the gut as an interior pass rusher. Zorn envisions getting Erasmus James into the mix - his injury permitting - to give the Skins a very capable four-man DE rotation (along with starting RE Andre Carter) .
 

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Sammemphis;2152837 said:
Don't care about the Skins? I think everyone needs to get off their high-horse and think about the facts. The Skins almost beat us at home last year and spanked us in DC. Maybe having Taylor on defense means they beat us at home and spanke us in DC. Ever think of that?

man that doesn't make sense..stop it!;)
 

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Everyone seems to be saying that Carter is a liability in the run game, but I thought he was fairly stout. I have no idea what Jason Taylor is like.
 

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Skinsmaniac;2155178 said:
Everyone seems to be saying that Carter is a liability in the run game, but I thought he was fairly stout. I have no idea what Jason Taylor is like.

Not according to BMitch and Doc Walker. When you guys signed JT, on both their shows they pointed out how poor Carter was against the run. Infact, they were talking about how light in the arse that both guys are. That's your Ex players saying that. That was a HUGE concern for BMitch, he spoke on it at length.
 

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What's Taylor's size as Compared to Trent Cole, Jason Hatcher and Osi U, I bet it's pretty close.
 

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How do the Reskins LB's stack up size and talent wise with the rest of the NFC East?.
 

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"Smoot said he expects the team to play a ton of it this season, and that CB Coach Jerry Gray is stressing press technique. I asked Jim Zorn if the prevalence of the coverage was just to give the offense that look in practice, and he said, no, that he figured the Commanders would be a pressing team. Not 100 percent of the time, of course, but given the size and skills of their corner, the enhanced pass rush with Jason Taylor and the presence of a ball-hawk, head-hunter like LaRon Landry behind the corners at safety, it makes a lot of sense."

Yes, that tends to work well against Terrell Owens...NOT!

Oh, and newsflash: Fred Smoot blows like a hurricane. Talent?
 
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